Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - Part 17

[luis4u]

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[Snow Queen]

Welcome to comic books lol. Everyone's origins involves some death that pushes them into action.

Not all of these are from the comics though, they could have done something else. I feel it's lazy and uncreative to use it as often as they have.

 

[Seb]

Would Captain Lance and Lyla also count? What about Joe from Flash?

I guess. Eddie, too. But they're not vigilantes, so I give them a little more leeway, and their motivations haven't shifted really (and Lance's initial motivation on the show was Sara's death). I don't know where Iris's mother is supposed to be, so Joe is a question mark.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

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Damn it don't sent Lyla into the field! .......and hope there are more SS beside deadshot and cupid

 

[luis4u]

Damn it don't sent Lyla into the field! .......and hope there are more SS beside deadshot and cupid

sadly no

Spoiler

bronze tiger he died in arrow 2.5

 

[Snow Queen]

I almost forgot....The League taking a crusade against Starling City, because Sara died.lol

Yeah, it definitely is lazy. It's like the only way a person can become a costumed hero/villain in this universe, at least from the POV of the producers, is when they lose a loved one to some tragic death.

At this point I'm waiting on Ra's to reveal that his wife and Nyssa's mother is dead and it's some big motivation for him.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

sadly no

Spoiler

bronze tiger he died in arrow 2.5

maybe they have not been introduce yet.......it still a few episode down the road

 

[luis4u]

maybe they have not been introduce yet.......it still a few episode down the road

I hope some stuff from 2.5 is non canon..

 

[Herolee10]

Oh yeah, speaking of the SS...I still don't get how Oliver thought that sending Cupid to the SS..where she'll have to partake in suicidal-like missions for the rest of her life until she dies in the battlefield or is taken out by ARGUS themselves, was a better idea than simply sending her to a regular Prison.

 

[Paradox1]

Not all of these are from the comics though, they could have done something else. I feel it's lazy and uncreative to use it as often as they have.

Maybe it's lazy I don't know, in the context of the story it made sense for those characters to die. How else as a viewer can I feel like my favorite characters won't bite it, if no one dies.

 

[Snow Queen]

Oh yeah, speaking of the SS...I still don't get how Oliver thought that sending Cupid to the SS..where she'll have to partake in suicidal-like missions for the rest of her life until she dies in the battlefield or is taken out by ARGUS themselves, was a better idea than simply sending her to a regular Prison.

Or how he trusts Waller enough to send her there considering the ending of last season.

 

[Snow Queen]

Maybe it's lazy I don't know, in the context of the story it made sense for those characters to die. How else as a viewer can I feel like my favorite characters won't bite it, if no one dies.

People can die, I have no issues with that, but it doesn't need to happen to motivate people every time you need them to change or have a justification for being a hero or villain.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

maybe Huntress should be there instead of Cupid......

 

[Seb]

Or how he trusts Waller enough to send her there considering the ending of last season.

Also there's all the crap she put him and Maseo through in the current flashbacks, not to mention what he knows she does to the current SS members.

 

[Herolee10]

maybe Huntress should be there instead of Cupid......

It would actually make more sense since Huntress (as far as we've seen) is a much better fighter than Cupid and knows how to use a crossbow better than Cupid's usage of a bow.

 

[Paradox1]

People can die, I have no issues with that, but it doesn't need to happen to motivate people every time you need them to change or have a justification for being a hero or villain.

I agree with you, but there are few characters who become heroes cause it's the right thing.

 

[luis4u]

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extended promo

 

[Primal Slayer]

They need to do an episode in the future where Black Canary and Arrow have to join Team 7 for a mission.

 

[DigificWriter]

So let's do a rundown of things that haven't "made sense" during this season, thus far:

1. Oliver choosing to do nothing about Malcom (prior to learning that he forced Thea to kill Sara), even though he was aware of what Malcom was capable of and what Malcom has done in the past.

Confronting Malcolm would alienate Thea.

2. Ra's whole reasoning in targeting Starling City, due to the fact that it was established in "The Magician" that Ra's did not look at Sara as a real member of the LOA and was only interested in bringing in Malcom to justice due to the latter having violated their code of conduct.

Oliver made himself an enemy of the League when he put Malcolm under his protection; Sara dying was just a catalyst for Ra's agreeing to fight him.

3. Malcom thinking that Oliver could beat Ra's when the latter has had trouble even taking him (Malcom) on during their duels.

I'm not seeing why this is such an issue.

4. Thea....just Thea.lol

There's been nothing wrong with Thea's role so far.

5. The means that Laurel and the rest of Team Arrow have gone through in order to deceive Captain Lance that Sara is still alive.

The wisdom in deceiving Lance might be questionable, but it's not the egregious offense you're trying to paint it as being.

6. Maseo deciding to do something for Oliver in the present, only after fighting with Ra's where Oliver should have died (by all accounts) when he could have easily done something else prior to Oliver's duel with Ra's if he wanted to "help" Oliver.

Seriously? You wanted Maseo to get both himself and Oliver slaughtered?

7. Malcom thinking that he can still find redemption.

My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

8. Oliver being able t do anything physical as soon as he returns to Starling City, considering that he had a hard time even walking when he was leaving the forest.

There was clearly more time between the scene with him and Tatsu in the forest and his arrival in Starling.

9. Oliver asking Malcom to "train" him, even though Malcom is the whole reason why Oliver is in this mess in the first place. And not to mention, Malcom is scared of Ra's as well and doesn't think that he's capable of beating Ra's, so what good would learning from Malcom do? Also, we had like the whole "Crossover" episode dedicated to how Oliver wants to hold onto his humanity instead of giving it away, and yet he's willingly giving it away by joining hands with Merlin. Not to mention that he's ready to break his no kill policy as well after having spent all of last season to not do so again.

This "complaint" has already been addressed.

10. Diggs agreeing with Oliver in the Premiere that being a part of Team Arrow wouldn't be what's best for his new family (Lyla and his Baby Sara), only to still be with Team Arrow.

Did you fall asleep during the events of episode 3? Sara's murder changed everything.

11. Felicity not bothering to call Barry for help during Brick's reign over the glades, let alone the Mayor abandoning the Glades and its inhabitants so that a few politicians don't feel threatened.

Really? Now you're just looking for nonsensical things to complain about. Barry and his team have their own crap to worry about in Central City.

 

[JJmelo]

They need to do an episode in the future where Black Canary and Arrow have to join Team 7 for a mission.

YES! And have Neji cameo from the grave :P

In all seriousness. I thought the episode could have been better. I liked the focus on Merlyn and the impromptu team-up at the end. They all saw the logic in it, only Felicity was caught up in morality (even though she practically begged Oliver to Kill Merlyn and Ra's).

I really want to keep liking Felicity but she is slowly turning into a Lori (Walking Dead) for me. Her inconsistency is upsetting, just be a hot nerd again please.

Ted Grant was awesome, even though he got the crap kicked outta him. Quentin doubting the identity of Black Canary was bound to happen and I like the way it was handled.

Should be interesting going forward. Here is my full review
http://otlnews.net/2015/02/05/arrow-review-s3-ep-12-uprising/

 

[Herolee10]

Confronting Malcolm would alienate Thea.

Oliver made himself an enemy of the League when he put Malcolm under his protection; Sara dying was just a catalyst for Ra's agreeing to fight him.

I'm not seeing why this is such an issue.

There's been nothing wrong with Thea's role so far.

The wisdom in deceiving Lance might be questionable, but it's not the egregious offense you're trying to paint it as being.

Seriously? You wanted Maseo to get both himself and Oliver slaughtered?

My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

There was clearly more time between the scene with him and Tatsu in the forest and his arrival in Starling.

This "complaint" has already been addressed.

Did you fall asleep during the events of episode 3? Sara's murder changed everything.

Really? Now you're just looking for nonsensical things to complain about. Barry and his team have their own crap to worry about in Central City.

1. And that's Oliver's problem right there. He would rather put the lives of others in potential jeopardy by not apprehending Malcom instead of "alienating" his half sister.

2. Again, very flawed logic on Oliver's end. He would risk the well being of everyone in Starling City (by going up against the LOA) because he wants to make sure that Thea has someone like Malcom to watch over her? And that doesn't change the fact that in "The Magician", we saw Ra's saying that Sara's death had NOTHING to do with him wanting to go after Malcom. Yet in "The Climb", it was all about producing Sara's killer.

3. If you're afraid to confront a person, would it make much sense to send someone that's around your level to that stronger person for a duel?

4. You're telling me that Thea choosing to forgive Malcom for killing over 500 innocent civilians, including her own half brother, tormenting her mother for many years (the Undertaking), and being responsible for killing Robert Queen is no problem at all? That just because he saved her once, Thea thinks that Malcom is suddenly a good person who shouldn't be punished for his sins? And let's not forget having to hear Thea say that Ra's should be afraid of them (her and Malcom)

5. Maseo has already placed himself in harms way by helping Oliver. If Ra's finds out, he's good as dead. Plus, Maseo had no way of knowing that Oliver would even survive his duel with Ra's.

6. Coming to a middle eh? Aren't you the same one that was so dead certain that Wells wasn't the Reverse Flash and that he was a completely original character at the start of the Season? Yet, look how that turned out.

7. You do realize that Barry isn't always busy 24/7, especially from what we've seen in "The Flash" as of late and that he could easily travel between cities within a matter of minutes like he did in "The Brave and the Bold".

 

[Tv's Phil]

It's kind of unreasonable to expect Barry to help in every struggle. Even in comics individual characters don't always ask Superman or Batman for help.
For stories about specific characters it's just unrealistic because they're about the central cast. This show is about team Arrow or specifically Oliver.

Yes, theoretically Barry could run to Starling/Star City each week to easily stop non-powered criminals.
But in tv and a world of contracts and complicated productions, we have to be able to watch these shows separately on their own terms without faulting them for not being constant crossovers.
This can't be brought up as an issue regularly. It just can't.

 

[dhandler01]

You guys realize there is still half a season left right? If everything made sense now that would take away the point to later episodes.

Things aren't supposed to make sense, the city and the lives of the people on the show are in chaos. These people arent perfect, they are going to make mistakes. They also are playing the long game when it comes to many of their issues/motivations.

We will know the real reason Ras is attacking Starling later on. We arent supposed to know yet why we just need to know he is. My guess is Oliver isnt just training with Merlyn just to beat Ras but also to keep him at close range. This is episodic television its long form storytelling...you wont have all the answers until the end of the story.

 

[The Shape]

The wisdom in deceiving Lance might be questionable, but it's not the egregious offense you're trying to paint it as being.

It's actually really ****ing egregious at this point. This man's daughter was killed. Everyone close to Sara knows this besides her own father, who, by the way, actually even knew she was the Canary. Instead of somehow letting him know of her death, they've crafted a lie that she is still alive...a lie that seems to have gone on for months now.

It'd be one thing if one of them had simply lied to Lance, saying "Yeah she's around but can't talk". However, they're gone thru much greater lengths than that to lie to this man, even going as far as using magic voice-imitation technology to pass Laurel off as Sara on more than occasion. Lance sees the "Canary" on TV, furthering his believe that she's around, so does the team come clean? Nah, they go deeper with the lie. Also, it seems multiple members of Team Arrow have kept up the lie when talking to Lance.

It's something that should have been such a non-issue, but they've made it an issue (a very creepy, ****ed up one) so that Lance can have some conflict with the team and Laurel, as we're about to see. It's just stupid in every way, though.

 

[fire117]

It's actually really ****ing egregious at this point. This man's daughter was killed. Everyone close to Sara knows this besides her own father, who, by the way, actually even knew she was the Canary. Instead of somehow letting him know of her death, they've crafted a lie that she is still alive...a lie that seems to have gone on for months now.

It'd be one thing if one of them had simply lied to Lance, saying "Yeah she's around but can't talk". However, they're gone thru much greater lengths than that to lie to this man, even going as far as using magic voice-imitation technology to pass Laurel off as Sara on more than occasion. Lance sees the "Canary" on TV, furthering his believe that she's around, so does the team come clean? Nah, they go deeper with the lie. Also, it seems multiple members of Team Arrow have kept up the lie when talking to Lance.

It's something that should have been such a non-issue, but they've made it an issue (a very creepy, ****ed up one) so that Lance can have some conflict with the team and Laurel, as we're about to see. It's just stupid in every way, though.

Agreed.