Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - Part 17

[Arrowshieldfan]

Press release for Episode 15 BIG EPISODE AND SPOILERS!

Spoiler

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25

ARROW
“Nanda Parbat” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

MERLYN IS CAPTURED BY RA’S AL GHUL; THE ATOM SUIT REVEALED — Malcolm (John Barrowman) is captured by Ra’s al Ghul (guest star Matt Nable) and taken to Nanda Parbat. Because of his love for Thea (Willa Holland), Oliver (Stephen Amell) considers saving Merlyn. Ray (Brandon Routh) is obsessed with finishing his Atom suit so he can save the city but Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) fears he is heading down the same path as Oliver (Stephen Amell) and tries to pull him out of the lab. Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Wendy Mericle & Ben Sokolowski and teleplay by Erik Olesen & Ben Sokolowski (#315). Original airdate 2/25/2015.

 

[SpideyVille]

Hmmm ... If this is what happens in episode 15, I wonder what the next 7 episodes will have in store, as far as the Ra's plotline is concerned.

 

[The Shape]

See, but that's the thing: he legitimately doesn't know who The Arrow is and he doesn't want to. The latter makes sense to me, but the former doesn't, because the evidence is so overwhelming that it should be impossible for him to be as clueless as he is. He should know, but just not care.

He knows. He had said previously he didn't want to know, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know now. Roy, Felicity, and Sara's are now all known by Lance as accomplices/friends of the Arrow. Give the guy some credit. I like that he obviously respects Arrow/Oliver's mission and identity enough to not out him or even feel the need to acknowledge it out-loud. It's like a Gordon/Batman thing.

If Barry Allen's imprisoned father can deduce that his son is the Flash after seeing the Flash one time for less than 10 seconds and realizing a coincidental turn of events, then Lance (a seasoned detective and cops) should know after all that's happened in 3 years.

 

[Herolee10]

Press release for Episode 15 BIG EPISODE AND SPOILERS!

Spoiler

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25

ARROW
“Nanda Parbat” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

MERLYN IS CAPTURED BY RA’S AL GHUL; THE ATOM SUIT REVEALED — Malcolm (John Barrowman) is captured by Ra’s al Ghul (guest star Matt Nable) and taken to Nanda Parbat. Because of his love for Thea (Willa Holland), Oliver (Stephen Amell) considers saving Merlyn. Ray (Brandon Routh) is obsessed with finishing his Atom suit so he can save the city but Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) fears he is heading down the same path as Oliver (Stephen Amell) and tries to pull him out of the lab. Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Wendy Mericle & Ben Sokolowski and teleplay by Erik Olesen & Ben Sokolowski (#315). Original airdate 2/25/2015.

So let me get this straight...

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Oliver wants to save Malcolm now because of the latter's love for Thea? Really writers? Really? You want to save the guy that killed your ex-gf, your best friend, your dad, and 500 civilians simply because he loves your self centered half sister?

And could the producers make up their mind as to whether they want Felicity to support Ray or not with his Atom suit? One week it's yes, next week it's maybe, then the other week it's definitely no..all before going back to the start of the vicious cycle

 

[Mikelus]

1. And that's Oliver's problem right there. He would rather put the lives of others in potential jeopardy by not apprehending Malcom instead of "alienating" his half sister.

2. Again, very flawed logic on Oliver's end. He would risk the well being of everyone in Starling City (by going up against the LOA) because he wants to make sure that Thea has someone like Malcom to watch over her? And that doesn't change the fact that in "The Magician", we saw Ra's saying that Sara's death had NOTHING to do with him wanting to go after Malcom. Yet in "The Climb", it was all about producing Sara's killer.

Yes, it is really bad writing, this would've made more sense: Oliver telling Thea the truth after returning from Corto Maltese, train her so she can protect herself and once she's ready, a member of Team Arrow. If you want Malcolm as an antihero, have him saving people to redeem himself but willing to kill when necessary.

3. If you're afraid to confront a person, would it make much sense to send someone that's around your level to that stronger person for a duel?

Trying to justify Malcolm's reasoning is grasping at straws, he's smart enough to know Oliver had no freaking chance in hell to beat Ra's. The whole thing was dumb, terribly executed and Oliver not dying and fast recovery has turned something that could've been epic into a freaking joke.

4. You're telling me that Thea choosing to forgive Malcom for killing over 500 innocent civilians, including her own half brother, tormenting her mother for many years (the Undertaking), and being responsible for killing Robert Queen is no problem at all? That just because he saved her once, Thea thinks that Malcom is suddenly a good person who shouldn't be punished for his sins? And let's not forget having to hear Thea say that Ra's should be afraid of them (her and Malcom)

We agree again, it makes Thea very shallow as a character. I thought they were going with Thea using Malcolm for a while and then betray him, but there's nothing indicating that.

5. Maseo has already placed himself in harms way by helping Oliver. If Ra's finds out, he's good as dead. Plus, Maseo had no way of knowing that Oliver would even survive his duel with Ra's.

Yep, they're insulting our intelligence again, but is not a surprise, they wrote the Green Lantern movie and thought a cloud Parallax and big head Hammond would be great villains, they're just not very bright writers. Maybe Guggenheim is a better lawyer, who knows!

6. Coming to a middle eh? Aren't you the same one that was so dead certain that Wells wasn't the Reverse Flash and that he was a completely original character at the start of the Season? Yet, look how that turned out.

He's the producers' advocate! Always justifying their creative decisions, like he's personally involved or something, but I digress.

7. You do realize that Barry isn't always busy 24/7, especially from what we've seen in "The Flash" as of late and that he could easily travel between cities within a matter of minutes like he did in "The Brave and the Bold".

In this one we can give them a pass, but they could've done something like this:

Roy: What about Barry?
Felicity: Yes, but he has enough to deal with, it's up to us to save our city.

Is a real shame these writers are so mediocre, but being in the CW doesn't help. I'm sure Daredevil would not be as good in one of these networks either.

 

[Boy Scout]

He knows. He had said previously he didn't want to know, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know now.

He doesn't know. Prior to the release of the episode where Quentin gave us his answer, the producers commented that it would definitively address whether or not he was aware of The Arrow's secret identity. He repeatedly expressed that he did not know, and Blackthorne played it completely straight. Suggesting anything different, regardless of how much more sense it makes, directly contradicts what we are meant to believe.

Roy, Felicity, and Sara's are now all known by Lance as accomplices/friends of the Arrow. Give the guy some credit.

I'm not the one not giving him enough credit.

I like that he obviously respects Arrow/Oliver's mission and identity enough to not out him or even feel the need to acknowledge it out-loud. It's like a Gordon/Batman thing.

It's not. It should be, but it's not.

If Barry Allen's imprisoned father can deduce that his son is the Flash after seeing the Flash one time for less than 10 seconds and realizing a coincidental turn of events, then Lance (a seasoned detective and cops) should know after all that's happened in 3 years.

He should, but...

It's terrible writing. There's not much more I can say.

So let me get this straight...

Spoiler

Oliver wants to save Malcolm now because of the latter's love for Thea? Really writers? Really? You want to save the guy that killed your ex-gf, your best friend, your dad, and 500 civilians simply because he loves your self centered half sister?

And could the producers make up their mind as to whether they want Felicity to support Ray or not with his Atom suit? One week it's yes, next week it's maybe, then the other week it's definitely no..all before going back to the start of the vicious cycle

I wish I could give them the benefit of the doubt, but they've done a great job of demonstrating their incompetence.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Hmmm ... If this is what happens in episode 15, I wonder what the next 7 episodes will have in store, as far as the Ra's plotline is concerned.

you mean the final 8 episode.....probably something do with Ra's Malcolm, and Merlyn

 

[Justin]

Malcolm training Oliver would make so much more sense if Oliver literally had no other choice at all.

Team Arrow were gonna take Merlyn's help then they remembered who he was. And then they went and got a group together because he really was the last alternative. You would think Ollie would try to get Maseo or even Nyssa's help over Merlyn's. Malcolm killed his dad and framed his sister for murder, plus cheated with his mom.

Plus I really do think the "student defeats teacher" thing is meant for thea and malcolm. Oliver was never a student of R'as. Hell by this show's logic Thea stands a better chance against R'as than Oliver because she trained under Malcolm.

Oliver beat Malcolm... And Malcolm was trained by O-Wal or whatever his name was, they've never mentioned R'as training him. Student defeats teacher makes no sense. I guess it's gonna come down to one particular technique, like Ollie learning to grab the swords blade as R'as did in their first duel.

 

[Nemi]

So let me get this straight...

Spoiler

Oliver wants to save Malcolm now because of the latter's love for Thea? Really writers? Really? You want to save the guy that killed your ex-gf, your best friend, your dad, and 500 civilians simply because he loves your self centered half sister?

And could the producers make up their mind as to whether they want Felicity to support Ray or not with his Atom suit? One week it's yes, next week it's maybe, then the other week it's definitely no..all before going back to the start of the vicious cycle

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My problem is that the whole Malcolm loving Thea thing is negated by him brain washing her into murdering someone she considered a friend. Which makes her the target of one of the deadliest men in the world.That's how he treats someone he loves and Oliver actually trusts him with her.

 

[luis4u]

marcguggenheim @ARROWwriters OMG Heisenberg aka Walter White isn’t dead, he’s making Vertigo in Starling City. LOL #Breaking Bad reference

 

[luis4u]

 

[Snow Queen]

Press release for Episode 15 BIG EPISODE AND SPOILERS!

Spoiler

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25

ARROW
“Nanda Parbat” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

MERLYN IS CAPTURED BY RA’S AL GHUL; THE ATOM SUIT REVEALED — Malcolm (John Barrowman) is captured by Ra’s al Ghul (guest star Matt Nable) and taken to Nanda Parbat. Because of his love for Thea (Willa Holland), Oliver (Stephen Amell) considers saving Merlyn. Ray (Brandon Routh) is obsessed with finishing his Atom suit so he can save the city but Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) fears he is heading down the same path as Oliver (Stephen Amell) and tries to pull him out of the lab. Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Wendy Mericle & Ben Sokolowski and teleplay by Erik Olesen & Ben Sokolowski (#315). Original airdate 2/25/2015.

You've got to be kidding me.

 

[Mike Murdock]

He's (more or less) comfortable with Sara and Roy and Felicity putting themselves out there. What difference does it make if he knows who their leader is?

The only argument I can think of is this: Roy and Felicity haven't killed anyone, Ollie has. He may not want to be forced to decide whether to arrest or not.

And the official explanation is he decided he no longer cares so he stopped thinking about it. He clearly could figure it out if he wanted to, but I also think it's apparent he hasn't figured it out. The idea that he actually knows is not quite consistent with his behavior.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Why does he have flash lighting symbol if he mix of barry and roy

 

[luis4u]

Why does he have flash lighting symbol if he mix of barry and roy

Someone from the official arrow and flash writing draw it..

 

[SpideyVille]

you mean the final 8 episode.....probably something do with Ra's Malcolm, and Merlyn

I forget, are there 22 or 23 episodes?

And I wonder if this is going to be like the end of season 2 where the last 4-5 episodes were so packed with stuff that time-wise they only cover a few days. I mean, all we know past this is there's a wedding/Suicide Squad team up in episode 17/18, so there's going to be a break from that.

 

[zenith16]

The excuse, that 'finding out would kill him' seems so incredibly hokey to me. Since when do people with heart problems become incapable of handling bad news? Sit them down, give them some tea, break it to them easy. Have a crash cart on hand if it's that serious. Plus, if he can't handle stress... um... police work?

What might be interesting is if we deal with the idea that Laurel just didn't want to tell because she couldn't stand to see her father hurt emotionally any more. Quentin being in denial would be a nice touch too.

On Barry:
Did he actually travel between cities in minutes on The Brave and the Bold? It seemed like in the pilot it took him quite a while, knowing his top speed was less than 600 (to say nothing of his cruising speed), and comparing Kansas City to Detroit or Chicago in distance, it looks like more an hour or so travel time.

I think there's a really elegant way to deal with this sort of crossover-capability when the characters have lives and the issues that the heroes face aren't always huge events of national importance. Yes, if the world's about to get taken over, you call all the Avengers you can. SHIELD cares about certain things, y'know? But if you need help taking down a crime boss, do you wait for Barry to get here, or rally the people of the glades? Do you send Barry to stop all the crime bosses in the country? Does Barry feel comfortable leaving Central City unprotected when he could be needed at a moment's notice?

I would love to see an episode that dealt with those ideas.

yeah I've been thinking about this the issue they are using was when was a good time? when the show came back captain Lance was with ollie as arrow doing what beat/street cops do and ollie notice his heart problems but didn't know it was a heart problem also captain Lance brush the issue off and he had another Episode when Laural wanted to tell him about sara that very moment she tried . and people forget how her family fell apart easy the first time sara died lance walked out on his wife the moment it happened. cause of the pain while the mother supposedly left town searching for sara.

the issues is though most people want him to be told when ever the city is under Seige/criss mode with his heart problems that he plays around with those pills of his in not always taking them when he should .

if the city is calms(or some what calm) or isn't overly busy with a crime lord holding it hostage yeah I agree sitting down with all that is fine will work the writers want him to have a bad heart attack as possibly but not bad enough to kill him. we'll see though they might have changed their minds like how the Rectonned ollies upper right side stab wound under his nipple. cause of what people are saying


I'm just happy we see captain lance made sure he took his pill at the start of the show in his office room.


the one's I'm iffy about is thea & katana's "hubby" they are the ones they might kill of for shock & kicks .


As to the barry issue they won't cross over that often unless it's once or twice a year at most like how Chicago PD has been doing with the last of the Law & order shows . but I can see guest star appearance's happen like what NCIS LA has been doing with Shows like Hawaii five O or Scorpion or with it's spin offs/ sister shows o the same net work with certain characters.

 

[yonny616]

Why does he have flash lighting symbol if he mix of barry and roy

I think it's just Roy trying a different mask to hide his identity.

 

[Boy Scout]

The only argument I can think of is this: Roy and Felicity haven't killed anyone, Ollie has. He may not want to be forced to decide whether to arrest or not.

I can see that, but I remember him urging The Arrow to kill someone (Slade?) last season. Assuming I'm remembering correctly, I think it's safe to say that he isn't as adverse to the idea of Oliver taking a life as he once was.

And the official explanation is he decided he no longer cares so he stopped thinking about it. He clearly could figure it out if he wanted to, but I also think it's apparent he hasn't figured it out. The idea that he actually knows is not quite consistent with his behavior.

 

[zenith16]

I can see that, but I remember him urging The Arrow to kill someone (Slade?) last season. Assuming I'm remembering correctly, I think it's safe to say that he isn't as adverse to the idea of Oliver taking a life as he once was.

yeah that's cause at the time slade had super strength & so did his men, also there's was no prison made that captain Lance who was a beat cop at the time knew of that would hold slade or those that worked for messi the city up & catching him was already problem for street/ beat cops like him self.

 

[zenith16]

You've got to be kidding me.

lol best chose to train oliver to take down Ras huh ? I'm going with katana's hubby instead, his chance's are wayyyyy better. if Malcolm escapes this he needs to keep running, he can only handle the other lower assassins of the LOA. not Ras him self .

 

[Daltonio]

Press release for Episode 15 BIG EPISODE AND SPOILERS!

Spoiler

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25

ARROW
“Nanda Parbat” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

MERLYN IS CAPTURED BY RA’S AL GHUL; THE ATOM SUIT REVEALED — Malcolm (John Barrowman) is captured by Ra’s al Ghul (guest star Matt Nable) and taken to Nanda Parbat. Because of his love for Thea (Willa Holland), Oliver (Stephen Amell) considers saving Merlyn. Ray (Brandon Routh) is obsessed with finishing his Atom suit so he can save the city but Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) fears he is heading down the same path as Oliver (Stephen Amell) and tries to pull him out of the lab. Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Wendy Mericle & Ben Sokolowski and teleplay by Erik Olesen & Ben Sokolowski (#315). Original airdate 2/25/2015.

Sounds like a pretty interesting episode to me.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Press release for Episode 15 BIG EPISODE AND SPOILERS!

Spoiler

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25

ARROW
“Nanda Parbat” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

MERLYN IS CAPTURED BY RA’S AL GHUL; THE ATOM SUIT REVEALED — Malcolm (John Barrowman) is captured by Ra’s al Ghul (guest star Matt Nable) and taken to Nanda Parbat. Because of his love for Thea (Willa Holland), Oliver (Stephen Amell) considers saving Merlyn. Ray (Brandon Routh) is obsessed with finishing his Atom suit so he can save the city but Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) fears he is heading down the same path as Oliver (Stephen Amell) and tries to pull him out of the lab. Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Wendy Mericle & Ben Sokolowski and teleplay by Erik Olesen & Ben Sokolowski (#315). Original airdate 2/25/2015.

So once again Felicity plans on talking to Roy about stopping his plans with the Atom suit, didn't we already go through this? Back and fourth with this crap. Felicity has become the most annoying, poorly written character. And it's utter garbage.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

So once again Felicity plans on talking to Roy about stopping his plans with the Atom suit, didn't we already go through this? Back and fourth with this crap. Felicity has become the most annoying, poorly written character. And it's utter garbage.

*Ray. But seriously Felicity has no right to stop Palmer from doing his. He is Felicity's boss so she has no right to interfere.......not sure why she become Laurel 2.0

 

[DigificWriter]

Felicity is well within her rights to try and keep convincing Ray not to go through with his A.T.O.M. project, just as he's well within his rights to ignore her objections.