Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - Part 17

[Seb]

Felicity is well within her rights to try and keep convincing Ray not to go through with his A.T.O.M. project, just as he's well within his rights to ignore her objections.

I think people's issue with it is that she seems to flip flop like crazy about it. Sure, it's a believable quality. It's also an irritating one.

 

[Boy Scout]

yeah that's cause at the time slade had super strength & so did his men, also there's was no prison made that captain Lance who was a beat cop at the time knew of that would hold slade or those that worked for messi the city up & catching him was already problem for street/ beat cops like him self.

That's a good point. Still, though, I don't quite buy the explanation given. Roy and the rest would and should still be considered accomplices of a (former) murderer. They aren't necessarily any better than him just because they haven't taken any lives.

I think people's issue with it is that she seems to flip flop like crazy about it. Sure, it's a believable quality. It's also an irritating one.

The description doesn't say that Felicity wants to stop Ray from being a vigilante; it says that she doesn't want him to go down the same path as Oliver. I think it will have more to do with the decisions Oliver has made and will make than how he spends his nights.

 

[DigificWriter]

I think people's issue with it is that she seems to flip flop like crazy about it. Sure, it's a believable quality. It's also an irritating one.

Only if you let it be (irritating, that is).

Felicity is a character who very much wears her heart on her sleeves, as it were, and she's not going to stay silent if stuff is bothering her. She's an 'externalizer' rather than an 'internalizer' (the way that Oliver is), and if she's changed her mind about helping Ray (which, given the roller-coaster of emotions she's going through with Oliver, is entirely possible), she's going to let him know that.

 

[luis4u]

What happen with bronze tiger

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arrow 2.5 number 11

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[Arrowshieldfan]

It been said that Ra's may be behind Sara death not Malcolm who is just used to his dirty work for him. Clearly there is some plot twist coming up in episode 15 so we should expect something that has not been predicted

 

[Lencho01]

Did they "confirm" he's dead?

 

[Nathan]

What happen with bronze tiger

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arrow 2.5 number 11

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Oliver literally survived worse.

 

[The Shape]

He doesn't know. Prior to the release of the episode where Quentin gave us his answer, the producers commented that it would definitively address whether or not he was aware of The Arrow's secret identity. He repeatedly expressed that he did not know, and Blackthorne played it completely straight. Suggesting anything different, regardless of how much more sense it makes, directly contradicts what we are meant to believe.



I'm not the one not giving him enough credit.



It's not. It should be, but it's not.



He should, but...

It's terrible writing. There's not much more I can say.

You seem so certain, it's strange.


I'll pop in to say "I told you so" if/when it's revealed that Lance has known more than he's let on.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'm certain because that's what's been confirmed by the people who write and produce the show.

EDIT:

"Episode [2x19] pretty definitively answers that question as far as Lance is concerned and I think that the answer will surprise you."

Source.

He does not know. He said it himself, more than once, in "The Man Under the Hood."

[YT]http://tJfMFf81osE[/YT]
http://youtu.be/tJfMFf81osE

 

[Spider-Ock]

I have said this before, but do any of you guys find something innately sexy about Laurel's character this season? I don't know, besides being really hot, I am getting a lot of "I-give-a-damn-what-people-think" attitude from her this season.

 

[DigificWriter]

Lance stating that he doesn't want to know The Arrow's real identity isn't mutually exclusive from the idea that he might have suspicions about said identity.

I'm personally of the belief, given everything that's happened, that Lance has strong suspicions about Oliver being The Arrow, but isn't in a big hurry to have those suspicions either confirmed or disproven.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Lance stating that he doesn't want to know The Arrow's real identity isn't mutually exclusive from the idea that he might have suspicions about said identity.

I'm personally of the belief, given everything that's happened, that Lance has strong suspicions about Oliver being The Arrow, but isn't in a big hurry to have those suspicions either confirmed or disproven.

Yeah, I think it's basically meant to be the same as Gordon and Batman/Wayne. He could find out who he is, and probably even has strong suspicions, but out of respect for his desire to keep his identity secret doesn't look into it.

 

[The Shape]

Lance stating that he doesn't want to know The Arrow's real identity isn't mutually exclusive from the idea that he might have suspicions about said identity.

I'm personally of the belief, given everything that's happened, that Lance has strong suspicions about Oliver being The Arrow, but isn't in a big hurry to have those suspicions either confirmed or disproven.

Yes, exactly. If a character says something on a TV show -- i.e. "I don't know his identity and I don't want to know -- does that automatically mean it's 100% true and must be the status quo from that point on? Does every character always tell the truth in fiction? He might claim he does not know, but deep inside, he very well might and just doesn't feel the need to let on.

Also, have TV show and film writers producers always been completely truthful when giving information about projects? I seem to remember the very same producers and crew indicating that Harrison Wells was a completely new character and not from comic book lore, and yet, he is the Reverse Flash.

Finally, as to the indication that Lance will find out the Arrow's identity in Episode 19 "and the answer might surprise you"...I can easily see that reveal being something alone the lines of "I've always known". We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Mikelus]

If the producers are smart enough with Quentin, then he should know or have strong suspicions about it, but preferred being in denial because of his relationship with Oliver. They should not kill him off, he's their Gordon and Laurel has suffered enough already.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yes, exactly. If a character says something on a TV show -- i.e. "I don't know his identity and I don't want to know -- does that automatically mean it's 100% true and must be the status quo from that point on?

Um...yes, until such a time comes when we see a change take place or we are led to believe that the character is lying. Neither of those things have happened and the producers have also said that his answer is definitive. What more do you need?

Does every character always tell the truth in fiction? He might claim he does not know, but deep inside, he very well might and just doesn't feel the need to let on.

Like someone else said, that theory is not consistent with his behavior.

Also, have TV show and film writers producers always been completely truthful when giving information about projects?

Why would they need to lie? More importantly: if Quentin knowing the truth makes so much more sense than the alternative (which it does), why wouldn't they give some real indication that he is aware?

I seem to remember the very same producers and crew indicating that Harrison Wells was a completely new character and not from comic book lore, and yet, he is the Reverse Flash.

That's not even close to being the same thing.

Finally, as to the indication that Lance will find out the Arrow's identity in Episode 19 "and the answer might surprise you"...I can easily see that reveal being something alone the lines of "I've always known". We'll have to wait and see.

No. Not episode nineteen of this season. Episode nineteen of last season. That is an old quote from last year.

 

[Boy Scout]

Lance stating that he doesn't want to know The Arrow's real identity isn't mutually exclusive from the idea that he might have suspicions about said identity.

He had them at one point, yes, but he eventually stopped thinking about it. He is currently clueless.

I'm personally of the belief, given everything that's happened, that Lance has strong suspicions about Oliver being The Arrow, but isn't in a big hurry to have those suspicions either confirmed or disproven.

I honestly don't see it. His interactions with Oliver and The Arrow don't indicate that he even suspects they're the same person.

 

[Mikelus]

Yes, exactly. If a character says something on a TV show -- i.e. "I don't know his identity and I don't want to know -- does that automatically mean it's 100% true and must be the status quo from that point on? Does every character always tell the truth in fiction? He might claim he does not know, but deep inside, he very well might and just doesn't feel the need to let on.

Also, have TV show and film writers producers always been completely truthful when giving information about projects? I seem to remember the very same producers and crew indicating that Harrison Wells was a completely new character and not from comic book lore, and yet, he is the Reverse Flash.

Finally, as to the indication that Lance will find out the Arrow's identity in Episode 19 "and the answer might surprise you"...I can easily see that reveal being something alone the lines of "I've always known". We'll have to wait and see.

I agree with you on Quentin, regarding Wells, this is what Geoff said:

"Harrison Wells is a new character that was created, the name obviously is brand new. I don't think we can say anything else about it," says Johns.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/flash-premiere-tom-cavanagh-eps-738650

If his name is really Wells, then it would be a new version of the RF, but if it turns out that he's either Hunter Zolomon or Eobard Thawne, then Geoff was misleading for obvious reasons.

 

[SpideyVille]

Regarding Lance, all I'll say is look at the difference with how he's acted around Oliver over the last season in a half. In season 1 he saved Oliver's life and said he was only doing it because he owed him. They haven't interacted as much since, but Lance has not tried to put him down like he once did in the past.

Regarding Wells, I think it's clear he's a combo of both versions of RF, in terms of characterization. I think in this lore, the other two don't exist, or that Wells is indeed just a pseudonym that the descendant of Eddie created to befriend Barry. However, they can still throw in the twist that there was a different RF out there and Wells wasn't the one who killed Barry's mom. There's still much left to be revealed and I think they are purposely trying to make us quickly jump to one conclusion so they can have a twist in the end. It's no fun saying "this is Reverse Flash" from the start and having people expect him to do certain things. It's just like how many expected Tommy to be the Dark Archer at some point, only to see he was his own character.

 

[luis4u]

http://canadagraphs.weebly.com/arrow-blog/arrow-shoots-a-scene-for-episode-314-

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[Primal Slayer]

Nice to see Laurel out of her lawyer gear.

 

[Boy Scout]

I forgot she used to dress like that.

 

[luis4u]

“Is John Diggle John Stewart? I cannot say “yes,” and I cannot say, “no.” I’m serious! I do know that there is serious discussion about whether or not this guy becomes John Stewart. But, I mean, I’ll say this: it is top secret. I’ve asked them – David Ramsey has asked them – and they’re like, “we’re working on some stuff.” If that’s the case, it’s gonna be huge. This is the stuff they want to avoid. I think they don’t want anybody to know yet and they haven’t even told me. But they have told me that they are thinking about it and that they are considering it. But they’re not going to release anything yet. That’s exactly what the told me. Greg Berlanti told me that. Andrew [Kreisberg] and Marc [Guggenheim] have told me that. I haven’t spoken to Geoff Johns about it. But that’s the word from people directly involved in Arrow- that they’re working on something. “Here’s the truth of it: if I knew, I would tell you I know the answer to that, but I’m not at liberty to tell you that. I would answer like that. I probably wouldn’t tell you anyway, but I would at least tell you that I know. I honestly do not know.”


http://comicbook.com/2015/02/06/marc-guggenheim-shares-arrow-script-pages-for-this-weeks-heartbr/

 

[Herolee10]

Sure, why not? I mean they helped ruin one version of Green Lantern on the Big Screen, so let's go for the next one as well.

 

[luis4u]

Sure, why not? I mean they helped ruin one version of Green Lantern on the Big Screen, so let's go for the next one as well.

That sounds stupid liked Coulson as Vision.

 

[Mike Murdock]

John Stewart has a somewhat similar military background, right?