Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[coluanprime]

Campaign donation,built another newer ,bigger Arrow cave in a secret bunker,paid for 80 kilos of drugs and that was just this show.

Arrowcave was built by Cisco, and the drugs were bought by Thea. Also you do know that she's getting paid a CEO's salary right?

 

[superboy13]

Some of the writing in this show makes me cringe. Felicity's "yeah I took some more money from the company that is in financial trouble already and I'll have to answer to the board of directors for this" in her little girly sheepish tone was cringeworthy.

You just committed a crime Felicity. It's called Embezzlement.

Or... not. In fact, we don't know much of what went of behind the scenes and we don't need to. Ollie needs money. Felicity, as CEO of Palmer Industries, has money. She gives Oliver money. Yay! Ollie now has money.

or the fact that Willow can just contact her high school dealer and cop 80 kilos "for a party" no problem.

that's some party.

Who the ***** is Willow? Wrong show, man.

or through some twisted logic the girl cop still thought she deserved that drug money because she was entitled somehow but still was so honorable as a cop to choose Justice instead of killing a cop ,after they already killed 2 without so much as blinking because they just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. This kind of stuff makes me want to quit watching. It's terrible writing.

Yeah, they kinda explained that in the freakin' episode. Pay attention or go home.

 

[Charlatan]

Arrowcave was built by Cisco, and the drugs were bought by Thea. Also you do know that she's getting paid a CEO's salary right?

Cisco helped her design it and put it together. He didn't buy the building or the equipment or pay the bills for utilities etc. The drugs were not paid for by Willow ,she just told that to the dealer, 80 kilos would be close to a million bucks worth. If you recall the Queens didn't have that much money left. Oliver couldn't even regain control of his company. They lost the estate. Their crime-fighting operation bleeds money, it has to.

 

[coluanprime]

Cisco helped her design it and put it together. He didn't buy the building or the equipment or pay the bills for utilities etc. The drugs were not paid for by Willow ,she just told that to the dealer, 80 kilos would be close to a million bucks worth. If you recall the Queens didn't have that much money left. Oliver couldn't even regain control of his company. They lost the estate. Their crime-fighting operation bleeds money, it has to.

Again, she's getting paid a CEO's salary. Do you not remember when Thea inherited Malcolm money? Also, Thea never paid for the drugs, she just waved a briefcase.

 

[Broseph44]

I love when people like Charlatan keep talking and saying things but clearly didn't pay any attention at all to what happened in the episode. They just ignore it and say its lazy writing or dumb when it's all explained right there on the show. Some people just dislike things so much they have to keep pushing and pushing.

And again who the **** is willow you keep talking about charlatan? You mean Thea?

 

[superboy13]

I love when people like Charlatan keep talking and saying things but clearly didn't pay any attention at all to what happened in the episode. They just ignore it and say its lazy writing or dumb when it's all explained right there on the show. Some people just dislike things so much they have to keep pushing and pushing.

And again who the **** is willow you keep talking about charlatan? You mean Thea?

 

[Slade W]

Xander, Spike and Giles annoyed me in this episode.

 

[Broseph44]

Xander, Spike and Giles annoyed me in this episode.

 

[JC00]

Some of the writing in this show makes me cringe. Felicity's "yeah I took some more money from the company that is in financial trouble already and I'll have to answer to the board of directors for this" in her little girly sheepish tone was cringeworthy.

You just committed a crime Felicity. It's called Embezzlement. or the fact that Willow can just contact her high school dealer and cop 80 kilos "for a party" no problem.

So every CEO that decides to donate their company's money to back a political candidate is a criminal? FYI if it wasn't for companies, political candidates wouldn't get half of what they get for campaigns.

Campaign donation,built another newer ,bigger Arrow cave in a secret bunker,paid for 80 kilos of drugs and that was just this show.

Cisco helped her design it and put it together. He didn't buy the building or the equipment or pay the bills for utilities etc. The drugs were not paid for by Willow ,she just told that to the dealer, 80 kilos would be close to a million bucks worth. If you recall the Queens didn't have that much money left. Oliver couldn't even regain control of his company. They lost the estate. Their crime-fighting operation bleeds money, it has to.

A lot of the computers and equipment could easily be stuff from PalmerTech. Which would be free. Also it was Cisco and STAR LABS that helped. Which indicate some of the equipment came from Star Labs.

Purchasing that office building wouldn't cost that much if they didn't buy it outright or then there is the chance that it didn't cost that much to begin with and Blood's estate was just trying to sell it and the price wasn't that much seeing is how it had been on the market for a while.

Paying the utilities? Uh they just started using the place so there wouldn't be much of a bill or it's entirely possible that Cisco setup a power source that isn't pulling from the grid. Which could be a reason why the power was flickering.


As for them getting money for the drugs, you do realize until we are told different that Ray left her everything, right? Which I assume would include his bank account.

 

[superboy13]

I think he's mixing up the actress' name, Willa. I guess that makes the title character Stuart or something.

 

[Broseph44]

I think he's mixing up the actress' name, Willa. I guess that makes the title character Stuart or something.

his posts are just too much

 

[kguillou]

Come on guys, its a comic book show. Why are we questioning the details of how the Arrowcave was put together? No one EVER bothers to question how Bruce Wayne and his frail butler managed to build the Batcave (and how exactly did Batman get that giant Penny in there anyway?) Who cares how it was built? Barry could've also helped them set stuff up.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I did find it strange that Felicity used her companies money to help Olivers campaign when her company is on financial hard times. And i assume she cut her salary in half to help like she demanded everyone else did.

 

[Charlatan]

I did find it strange that Felicity used her companies money to help Olivers campaign when her company is on financial hard times. And I assume she cut her salary in half to help like she demanded everyone else did.

and if she has so much money from her CEO salary (are you guys aware of when/how often CEOs get paid?) why didn't she just contribute instead of using company money that she would have to answer for? Ray owned the company and had a majority of shares. She is just the CEO. And hasn't been at that job very long. They usually get paid quarterly.

As for the drug money Oliver says We're gonna need some money and Felicity says "Don't you mean more money?" To which he nods his head. This implies that she is going to supply the money.
When asked ,Thea seems to be thinking quick on her feet and comes up with the inheritance line because she can't say the CEO of Palmer tech fronted it to me.

also the money wasn't just waved I don't think because they got the 80 kilos. Now I suppose we could assume that they took down the drug guys and kept the money. but it wasn't shown in the episode. All we know is they had it in the van when they got their butts kicked. No way would that dealer guy have gotten the product without having the money.
I assume they had a tracker on it and recovered it from the mob later? Because that kind of transaction isn't street level dealing. and if they had to cops retrieve it and take down the dealers the money itself would be forfeit to civil asset seizure.

 

[Mike Murdock]

But Thea has a lot of money so it's not implausible to think she did it. It wasn't said where it came from (except where it was specifically said it was Thea's inheritance, but I'll agree that's not entirely absolute).

Anyway, donations to a political campaign would be subject to the Business Judgment rule. Even if it were a bad investment, there wouldn't usually be liability and, even if there were, it wouldn't be Embezzlement. You want to argue creating the Arrow cave is Embezzlement, that's fine (same with Bruce Wayne, though, so comic book logic), but a campaign investment is exactly that.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm actually very excited at the thought that we may get to see Team Arrow, Team Flash, and the other Legends Heroes have scenes within the new Arrow Base. That place looks more like it could be the CW-Verse's Justice League headquarters than just Oliver's new HQ.

 

[mr. peasant]

Xander, Spike and Giles annoyed me in this episode.

But Buffy sure lived up to her name in this episode with that salmon ladder. Though for some reason, her voice is deeper and she's stubblier than I remember...

 

[Herolee10]

Wasn't Diggs supposed to have a codename by now? I noticed that he hasn't been given an official codename when out in the field as of yet.

And for someone that's been labeled as loving to be bad/evil, Damien Dark has displayed some code of conduct within the last few episodes.

 

[Matt]

Wendy Mercile: Damien Darhk is not Felicity's father

http://comicbook.com/2015/10/28/arrow-showrunner-wendy-mericle-reveals-whether-damien-darhk-is-f/


She's either going to be known as a liar or my one big worry about this season has been averted

Did they seriously NEVER think about making him her father? The way she praised it as if it is a genius idea, i wonder what they think of other ideas that actually would be better then what they give us.

I reckon she might be lying. Not uncommon for a producer/showrunner to lie to keep a twist under wraps. Darhk's passing comment about his child in tonight's episode, combined with Rickard's comments to TVLine...it just seems like too much to write off as a coincidence.

 

[Slade W]

Wasn't Diggs supposed to have a codename by now? I noticed that he hasn't been given an official codename when out in the field as of yet.

And for someone that's been labeled as loving to be bad/evil, Damien Dark has displayed some code of conduct within the last few episodes.

I have been thinking the same thing. The writers said that he was pure evil unlike the other villains on the show or something like that but so far I don't think he fits that description. Perhaps when we learn his true plan we will get a better idea of what the writers meant. I still think he has been an excellent villain so far though.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Darhk is still evil but he may have a soft side when it come to family but he still kill anyone who fails him

 

[Slade W]

Darhk is still evil but he may have a soft side when it come to family but he still kill anyone who fails him

That is still similar to the other villains though. If I remember correctly, the writers said he will be pure evil unlike the other villains.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, as great as Damien is (so far), I really have a hard time believing that anyone's going to beat Slade when it comes to being the BEST VILLAIN OF THE SEASON for this show.

The guy had the intensity, the look, the presence, and that BADASS COSTUME. Plus, unlike the others, we had more buildup to his rise and fall when it came to his relationship with Oliver.

Hell, the three part finale of Slade's army tearing through Star City is still very memorable for me.

The only downside to Slade was his initial reason for turning against Oliver (Shado's Death and his unnatural feelings for her).

 

[Slade W]

Basically what I mean is that the villains we have had so far have not necessarily been "evil" but rather people who went about seeking justice (or at least it was justice in their minds) the wrong way. I did not agree with them, but I could understand them and why they did what they did. They had redeemable qualities and shades of grey.

Here is the comment from the writers which was made back in July:

Is there anything you can tease about the new Arrow villain Damien Darhk? — Darlene
It’s safe to say that Damien is the reason Oliver returns to Starling City to suit up once again. “[Oliver] left the city in very good hands,” EP Marc Guggenheim tells me. “He entrusted Laurel, Diggle and Thea to mind the fort. Damien represents a threat that three heroes are not enough to combat. When we’ve written the villains — the big bads of the season — we always took the approach that they were heroes of their own story. They were doing the wrong thing for what they consider the right things. That’s not the case with Damien. He’s not nearly as moral. We wanted a villain who was pure evil because we’ve never really done that on the show before. That’s what Damien represents. He’s the prince of darkness.”

I don't think Damien fits their description so far (but we still have a long way to go).

 

[Boy Scout]

I think he does. Slade, Malcolm, and Ra's viewed themselves as the heroes of their stories. In their eyes, they were righteous men. I don't get that vibe from DD.