Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Arrowshieldfan]

Well, the writers did say that they wanted to bring back the threat of death after the use of the Lazarus Pits last season. Laurel is a big character on the show and has been around for a long time. If they did indeed kill her, I imagine that it would give a lot of the audience the feeling that big characters can die. Now, I would say that for a lot of the die hard fans on here, that will not be enough and nothing less than Felicity's death would be enough to prove that there is a serious threat of death on the show. But, I reckon, that for most of the audience who do not overanalyse everything on the show like we do on here or on other forums, Laurel's death will be enough to bring that threat back, without upsetting too many people. I guess the writers feel that Felicity is too popular and as a result it is too risky to kill her off, so they go for a character that has not gone over as well with the audience. Whether they are right to think that is a different matter. I would honestly prefer if they keep Laurel, but this show is not just about catering to me.

A lot of shows like Person of Interest kill off popular characters and it never hurt the show quality (rating maybe) but the show goes on and sometimes it even better than ever in terms of stories.

Felicity death could show they have the balls to do the right thing but I guess they just too scared of the amount of hate.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'm gonna be the contrarian and say that it's not Laurel.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wish I was wrong but this is one of those times where I highly doubt it.

 

[Slade W]

A lot of shows like Person of Interest kill off popular characters and it never hurt the show quality (rating maybe) but the show goes on and sometimes it even better than ever in terms of stories.

Felicity death could show they have the balls to do the right thing but I guess they just too scared of the amount of hate.

I don't feel so strongly about Felicity that I want her to be killed, but if I had to choose between her and Laurel dying, then I would choose to keep Laurel and for Felicity to die. If what is being rumoured at the moment is true, and Laurel is the character that will be killed, then I would say that they took the easier, less risky option, and one that I, personally, will not be happy with.

 

[Omegabat]

Whoops, my bad. So he's just another element from 'other comics' that found his way in. Good to know.

Yup,he was exclusive to Batman related books until the New-52 where he fought Aqauman.

 

[Omegabat]

Felicity's arrow should be ashamed,that attitude is just...ugh.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Oh, one thing I forgot to add into my long post about the 'adaptation' of GA for Arrow:

Season 1 he was helping the little guy. In Season 2, we had less of that but still enough to be considered an adaptation of the GA. (things like stopping the Triad from raiding the hospital supplies from FEMA, stopping the Count, saving that busload of people from the train that the Clock King sent them towards, and even leading the LoA team into the tunnel, in full view of people with their cell phones, to face off with Slade's army).

But Season 3 onward, its all been about either "the plot of the uber-villains (LoA, HIVE)" or "Who's turn is it this week to be kidnapped?" No more helping the little guy. All big picture stuff.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Felicity's arrow should be ashamed,that attitude is just...ugh.

Sadly, the fact they apparently count as a 'reporter/interviewer' means they're probably over 21... so they don't even have the excuse of being a teenage girl living out fantasies through Felicity.

 

[Verick808]

I feel as though this show has been completely lost to the teenage girl demographic. It doesn't even feel like they are trying when it comes to the overarching plot lines, same as last year. It feels like the season arcs are being worked around what they want to happen between Oliver and Felicity.
Somehow I doubt the show runners revealed Oliver had a child two seasons ago just to ruin Oliver's relationship with Felicity. Now we will probably never know.
It wouldn't surprise me if Laurel gets written off. Half the time they don't know what to do with her character since Felicity pretty much stepped into her role as love interest. Not sure I'd buy hetc being the one in the grave though. Killing Thea is one way to end her current arc.

 

[Omegabat]

Oh, one thing I forgot to add into my long post about the 'adaptation' of GA for Arrow:

Season 1 he was helping the little guy. In Season 2, we had less of that but still enough to be considered an adaptation of the GA. (things like stopping the Triad from raiding the hospital supplies from FEMA, stopping the Count, saving that busload of people from the train that the Clock King sent them towards, and even leading the LoA team into the tunnel, in full view of people with their cell phones, to face off with Slade's army).

But Season 3 onward, its all been about either "the plot of the uber-villains (LoA, HIVE)" or "Who's turn is it this week to be kidnapped?" No more helping the little guy. All big picture stuff.

MG is the big picture guy

 

[AspieXLDS]

Ah, but is his 'big picture' about Oliver becoming the superhero known as Green Arrow, or is it about turning a superhero drama into a romantic comedy with superhero elements?

 

[Omegabat]

Ah, but is his 'big picture' about Oliver becoming the superhero known as Green Arrow, or is it about turning a superhero drama into a romantic comedy with superhero elements?

Probably the latter,wasn't this guy responsible for Green Lantern?

 

[JC00]

''Stephen says there is an element to respecting comics canon, but what doing is best for the show is more important''

Black Canary getting killed off
Roy written off

Remaining is Diggle, Felicity and Thea. Two made for the show characters and an obscure Firestorm character.


How is killing/writing off the only two Green Arrow characters from the (pre-new 52) comics respecting the source?

I get that Roy being written off may have had to do with Colton Haynes but then that's the producers fault for not getting an actor that would commit 100% to the role.

As for Black Canary unless it was WB/DC telling them to kill Black Canary off, which I don't think it was because i'm sure there is something contractually that allows them to have Dinah/Black Canary through the whole series. So if it's not that then how is killing of Black Canary doing what's best for the show? How come it couldn't be Felicity?

I mean we all know why it isn't her but honestly if the producers would have taken off the felicity/olicity colored glasses off and acted like unbiased showrunners the correct move would have been to kill Felicity off and do whatever they had to get Colton Haynes to return even if it was a 10-13 episode recurring basis for Season 5.

How does a character that was only suppose to be in 1-episode become basically the co-lead?

Answers: The showrunners and producers become huge fanboys/girls.

 

[sleekstereo]

Yeah, people are dropping this show left and right. This isn't the only forums I've seen this happening on. A lot of ex-Arrow fans on the web that can't stand the shows current direction and gave up on it. It's basically become another generic CW show with a DC coat of paint.

I'm done at the end of the season. Especially because of Laurel potentially in the grave. Also, the storylines are not as compelling any more, and the production value has also diminished (the fight scenes have been awful lately).

I'm enjoying The Flash much more anyways, mainly because it feels like a comicbook tv show, I know the characters from the comics, and it is not a CW teenage drama. I will just have to deal with the cross-over episodes once a year.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I hope those people who dropped the show will regret it. The biggest lie is arrow and teenage drama stopping making stuff that is false

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I don't feel so strongly about Felicity that I want her to be killed, but if I had to choose between her and Laurel dying, then I would choose to keep Laurel and for Felicity to die. If what is being rumoured at the moment is true, and Laurel is the character that will be killed, then I would say that they took the easier, less risky option, and one that I, personally, will not be happy with.

Felicity could just exit the show and never come back. There is a scoop from EW tfrom AK who says there will be "surprise exit" and "surprise return" on the four shows, supergirl, the flash, LOT and Arrow.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

That is fair enough, but that is just your opinion buddy. And if the show is as atrocious as you say it is, it is pretty crazy you still dedicate so much time watching it and posting about it online. The show wont change, and will continue without you. It will also continue to be successful without you. Just because you think it is very bad, doesn't mean the majority of people do. In fact, they clearly don't, hence why the show is successful and being renewed for its 5th season.

there is a tiny minority that think the show sucks now. All I say is it blind hate because of XX character and I can't wait to prove the doubters wrong with final 7 episode of 4.
it probably best those who hate the show direction should watch a new show since there no point in the same negative post

 

[BlueLanternKal]

there is a tiny minority that think the show sucks now. All I say is it blind hate because of XX character and I can't wait to prove the doubters wrong with final 7 episode of 4. It will be successful and those who came people dropping are not real fans because they will always stay until the end.

it probably best those who hate the show direction should watch a new show since there no point in the same negative post

No offense, I'm not trying to insult you, but a majority of your posts come off as defensive and juvenile. Instead of trying to be objective and acknowledging that Arrow is not as good anymore you double-down by pretending that all the people posting legitimate concerns and criticisms are absolutely wrong. It's almost like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Felicity could just exit the show and never come back. There is a scoop from EW tfrom AK who says there will be "surprise exit" and "surprise return" on the four shows, supergirl, the flash, LOT and Arrow.

Link please for the scoop?

 

[Primal Slayer]

It will be successful and those who came people dropping are not real fans because they will always stay until the end.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Excellent reaction GIF, Primal Slayer.

 

[Daltonio]

No offense, I'm not trying to insult you, but a majority of your posts come off as defensive and juvenile. Instead of trying to be objective and acknowledging that Arrow is not as good anymore you double-down by pretending that all the people posting legitimate concerns and criticisms are absolutely wrong. It's almost like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.

It's nothing new really, Arrowshieldfan has been doing the same thing since back in Season 3, just check his comments in this old thread about the 'haters':

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=31266461#post31266461

Link please for the scoop?

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/1...-murder-once-upon-time-greys-anatomy-spoilers

 

[Daltonio]

This book was released almost a month ago and I've never even heard of it, so I guess it hasn't had much marketing. Thought I'd share in case you guys are interested:

www.amazon.com/Arrow-Vengeance-Oscar-Balderrama/dp/1783294841/

ARROW: Vengeance
by Oscar Balderrama & Lauren Certo

Slade Wilson. Sebastian Blood. Isabel Rochev. Their actions will determine the path of a hero.

SECRET ORIGINS

Oliver Queen returns from the dead to create his persona as the Arrow. Yet others work in the shadows to fashion his downfall… and plot the destruction of all he holds dear.

Also a survivor of Lian Yu, Slade Wilson’s ultimate goal is Oliver’s doom, and he recruits Isabel Rochev, whose hatred for the Queens knows no bounds. Brother Blood, while seeking to do what is right, also finds himself inextricably tangled in Wilson’s machinations.

This is the untold story behind the rise and fall of the Arrow.

Heard it's officially canon as well. I'll have to check it out, maybe it will bring back some of that S2 feel.

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[Jedi Arrow]

This book was released almost a month ago and I've never even heard of it, so I guess it hasn't had much marketing. Thought I'd share in case you guys are interested:

www.amazon.com/Arrow-Vengeance-Oscar-Balderrama/dp/1783294841/

Heard it's officially canon as well. I'll have to check it out, maybe it will bring back some of that S2 feel.

Read it. I've gone through the whole thing and it's pretty awesome. Gives a great look at Slade, Blood, and Isabel, and gives them some great development and shows backstory only briefly mentioned in the show. Also gives their POV on the events of S2.