Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[SpideyVille]

I agree, but I'd rather Katrina Law audition for a DCEU role. I think she has the chops to make the cut for an Aquaman or GLC role.

Not going to happen. If you're going to the lengths of killing off characters on TV to avoid confusion, why would cast an actor that has a major recurring role on TV?

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Not going to happen. If you're going to the lengths of killing off characters on TV to avoid confusion, why would cast an actor that has a major recurring role on TV?

Let's stop pretending like Nyssa Al Ghul is even a B lister. She isn't going to be confused or conflated with anyone other than Talia, especially if Katrina gets a part in another DC mythos. Doubly so if it's GLC because she'll most likely be an alien like Katma Tui or something.

 

[SpideyVille]

Let's stop pretending like Nyssa Al Ghul is even a B lister. She isn't going to be confused or conflated with anyone other than Talia, especially if Katrina gets a part in another DC mythos. Doubly so if it's GLC because she'll most likely be an alien like Katma Tui or something.

Put it like this, if DC was interested in using actors from TV, we'd see Amell as Green Arrow or Grant as Flash. Thew truth is, the tv pool is one they're not even looking at.

Man of Steel used a couple of Smallville actors, but that was a couple of years after Smallville ended. Not during.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Put it like this, if DC was interested in using actors from TV, we'd see Amell as Green Arrow or Grant as Flash. Thew truth is, the tv pool is one they're not even looking at.

Man of Steel used a couple of Smallville actors, but that was a couple of years after Smallville ended. Not during.

Fair enough, but to cut out their TV stable completely seems limiting and unwise.

If Ray Fisher can be Cyborg then Katrina can get a role in AM or GLC.

 

[superboy13]

Fair enough, but to cut out their TV stable completely seems limiting and unwise.

If Ray Fisher can be Cyborg then Katrina can get a role in AM or GLC.

Why? It's not like there's a short supply of actors, and, honestly, the CW actors (save a very few number) aren't that great anyway.

 

[SpideyVille]

Fair enough, but to cut out their TV stable completely seems limiting and unwise.

If Ray Fisher can be Cyborg then Katrina can get a role in AM or GLC.

I don't even understand the logic behind this. What does Ray Fisher have to do with DC TV shows?

And again, they've repeatedly said the TV and Cinematic universes are not connected. So what interest do they have with TV. If they're willing to cast a new Flash, while they have a super successful show about the same character, it kinda drives home that point.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I don't even understand the logic behind this. What does Ray Fisher have to do with DC TV shows?

And again, they've repeatedly said the TV and Cinematic universes are not connected. So what interest do they have with TV. If they're willing to cast a new Flash, while they have a super successful show about the same character, it kinda drives home that point.

You're acting like I don't understand this. I'm not proposing that someone reprise their role in the cimematic universe. I'm proposing that an actor from the TV universe would be a good fit for completely unrelated roles in the cinematic universe.

You're putting words in my mouth. And the reason I brought up Ray Fisher is because WB tapped an obscure stage actor for a major role. That could mean they're prioritizing skill over recognizability. If that is indeed the case I think they should give an actor who coincidentally recurs in their TV universe a shot at a different part in the cinematic one, based on skill. Nothing more or less.

 

[superboy13]

You're acting like I don't understand this. I'm not proposing that someone reprise their role in the cimematic universe. I'm proposing that an actor from the TV universe would be a good fit for completely unrelated roles in the cinematic universe.

You're putting words in my mouth. And the reason I brought up Ray Fisher is because WB tapped an obscure stage actor for a major role. That could mean they're prioritizing skill over recognizability. If that is indeed the case I think they should give an actor who coincidentally recurs in their TV universe a shot at a different part in the cinematic one, based on skill. Nothing more or less.

Then how in the name of Zod would any of these CW actors stand a chance (Grant Gustin excluded)?

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Then how in the name of Zod would any of these CW actors stand a chance (Grant Gustin excluded)?

Katrina Law is a good actor. Problem is most people on here only know her because of Arrow. That is my point.

 

[superboy13]

Katrina Law is a good actor. Problem is most people on here only know her because of Arrow. That is my point.

The best she could hope for is a glorified cameo like Danny Pudi in The Winter Soldier.

 

[SpideyVille]

You're acting like I don't understand this. I'm not proposing that someone reprise their role in the cimematic universe. I'm proposing that an actor from the TV universe would be a good fit for completely unrelated roles in the cinematic universe.

You're putting words in my mouth. And the reason I brought up Ray Fisher is because WB tapped an obscure stage actor for a major role. That could mean they're prioritizing skill over recognizability. If that is indeed the case I think they should give an actor who coincidentally recurs in their TV universe a shot at a different part in the cinematic one, based on skill. Nothing more or less.

What I'm saying is since they are treated the TV universe like the red-headed step-child and refuse to acknowledge it, what interest do they have in looking to source it's talents?

And again, why are you getting an actor/actress who is currently involved in one of those shows to be in a movie. Chris Evans was the Human Torch, Ben Affleck was Daredevil and Ryan Reynolds was Green Lantern, but in all those cases, those actors went on to play different characters in movies that didn't co-exist at the same time and were years apart. It makes no sense to suggest that an actor that has been a frequent guest on one of these new, somewhat popular and still on-going TV shows should be appear in a major comic film. You basically kill their TV character from ever returning, and you risk the confusion that they're clearly trying to avoid in recognizably.

 

[chamber-music]

Put it like this, if DC was interested in using actors from TV, we'd see Amell as Green Arrow or Grant as Flash. Thew truth is, the tv pool is one they're not even looking at.

Man of Steel used a couple of Smallville actors, but that was a couple of years after Smallville ended. Not during.

Even with the smallville actors in man of steel it was because they were filming in Canada and it seems like there isn't a huge pool of Canadian actors for some reason. Amy Adams is the only former smallville actor with a major role in these movies.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Spoiler

 

[Nathan]

I need to catch up on Arrow. I think I haven't watched it since Legend of Tomorrow aired.

 

[JC00]

When people look back at Arrow and ask what went wrong my answer will be the showrunners became Olicity fanboys and decided they'd rather pander to those fans at the expense of the show.

I mean look at this guy, he couldn't wait to post a picture of that even though there is a current storyline where one of the people is in a wheel chair and yes I know a character made some tech that could make her walk again but the guy isn't even trying to hide the "maybe it doesn't work" aspect.

 

[SpideyVille]

Funny how wheelchair Felicity was leaked and he came out and said it was a hallucination. But this gets a pass?

Label me a Felicity hater, but the truth is, the current showrunners are putting their eggs in that basket and it doesn't fully benefit the show.

 

[Slade W]

When people look back at Arrow and ask what went wrong my answer will be the showrunners became Olicity fanboys and decided they'd rather pander to those fans at the expense of the show.

I mean look at this guy, he couldn't wait to post a picture of that even though there is a current storyline where one of the people is in a wheel chair and yes I know a character made some tech that could make her walk again but the guy isn't even trying to hide the "maybe it doesn't work" aspect.

Felicity getting much more focus is definitely one of the reasons the show is not as good as it was in season 1 and 2 IMO. Great characters from the first two seasons like Moira, Slade, Tommy, Shado, Sara etc not being replaced by characters of similar quality is another. Ray and Curtis Holt for example, are two character that did not add anything good to the show IMO. Also, there is the whole setting up other shows and building a larger universe which takes up valuable screen time.

 

[SpideyVille]

Felicity getting much more focus is definitely one of the reasons the show is not as good as it was in season 1 and 2 IMO. Great characters from the first two seasons like Moira, Slade, Tommy, Shado, Sara etc not being replaced by characters of similar quality is another. Ray and Curtis Holt for example, are two character that did not add anything good to the show IMO. Also, there is the whole setting up other shows and building a larger universe which takes up valuable screen time.

The problem with Ray and Curtis is that they're good characters/actors who can contribute greatly to the show and help give it a lighter tone, but they are noticeably absent for half the season, and only interact with one character (Felicity) and just get teases about their costumed counterparts. Other than waiting to them suit up, there's nothing to get us invested in these characters, and it removes their credibility when suddenly they're fighting in costumes with no real evident training.

But yeah, I was showing my mom the episodes that talk about Oliver having a son, and having Moira there, and then Slade, those were two veteran actors that really bought a lot to the show. But I think the overall writing and story-telling were done well too. Slade's motivation was pretty lame in retrospect, considering he never had anything with Shado, but Manu Bennett, played it so well and menacing that it worked so much.

 

[JC00]

Felicity getting much more focus is definitely one of the reasons the show is not as good as it was in season 1 and 2 IMO. Great characters from the first two seasons like Moira, Slade, Tommy, Shado, Sara etc not being replaced by characters of similar quality is another. Ray and Curtis Holt for example, are two character that did not add anything good to the show IMO. Also, there is the whole setting up other shows and building a larger universe which takes up valuable screen time.

That all comes down to writing and stealing a line from Spideyville, they decided to put their eggs in the Felicity/Olicity basket starting in S3.

 

[JC00]

The problem with Ray and Curtis is that they're good characters/actors who can contribute greatly to the show and help give it a lighter tone, but they are noticeably absent for half the season, and only interact with one character (Felicity) and just get teases about their costumed counterparts. Other than waiting to them suit up, there's nothing to get us invested in these characters, and it removes their credibility when suddenly they're fighting in costumes with no real evident training.

The characters were literally added to the show to service Felicty storylines.... Ray for much of S3 was only in Felicity scenes until they actually gave him some character development with becoming Atom in the last part of the season. Curtis has he even had a scene that didn't involve Felicity?

Moira and Slade were practically regulars and got a good amount of screen time and they were major parts of S2. Slade being the villain and Moira being on trial and then running for mayor..

Ray was brought in to me the "other guy" so they could have the will/they won't they angst between Felicity and Oliver.. Which IMO the only reason why Ray got some character development was when the decision was made about LoT.

Curtis was added to the show so they could put Felicity in a wheelchair and then take her out of it.. Wouldn't surprise me if he never appears on the show again.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

There nothing wrong with season 4 just trashing the show. It a weak excuse to use one character.

 

[SpideyVille]

The characters were literally added to the show to service Felicty storylines.... Ray for much of S3 was only in Felicity scenes. Curtis has he even had a scene that didn't involve Felicity?

Moira and Slade were practically regulars and got a good amount of sreen time and they were major parts of S2. Slade being the villain and Moira being on trial and then running for mayor..

Ray was brought in to me the "other guy" so they could have the will/they won't they angst between Felicity and Oliver..

Curtis was added to the show so they could put Felicity in a wheelchair and then take her out of it.. Wouldn't surprise me if he never appears on the show again.

Now that you mention it .... that's sadly totally true.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

So it would be good for curtis to meet with laurel thea and diggle as well a independent storyline that is his own crucible

 

[SpideyVille]

So it would be good for curtis to meet with laurel thea and diggle as well a independent storyline that is his own crucible

It would be good, yes. But as we've seen, no one really gets their own arc anymore. It's Oliver, Felicity, and then everyone else.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Meh, get rid of Felicity and Curtis. JMO.

And focus on the bad guys and how the good guys overcome them. Throw in some "neutral guys" so that the good guys have foils. And focus on the drama the stems from the action/crime/overarching story instead of stupid ****ing wedding showers.

The show went from good, to really good, to bad, to average. The bad and average trend began with the Olicity basket.