Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Jedi Arrow]

Are you freaking kidding me?

I think it's likely that this person, whoever it is, is having a "S3 Laurel" moment, with some combination of revenge/honoring for BC's death and personal rage issues. But that literally means it could be anyone, since it's now common knowledge that the late ADA Laurel Lance was the BC. I doubt[BLACKOUT] Felicity, since she's still in "I don't want anything to do with this" mode[/BLACKOUT], but I guess anything's possible. Could be [BLACKOUT]Thea[/BLACKOUT], I guess. Or it could be a random new person who was saved by BC once (or knew Laurel once) and now wants to honor her. My guess is by the end of this episode, the character won't be on this crusade anymore; Oliver will change her mind. If she's not someone we already know, maybe she never even appears again (or does but not as BC). Who knows?

 

[Sysmatic]

So it's probably

Spoiler

Madison McLaughlin who's playing that "new" BC role

, right?

 

[SpideyVille]

I'm a fan of both women and both characters so yeah I'm pissed off bc died I'm curious to see where this goes I'm not a "shipper" for either in fact a lot of the love drama is pissing me off but for personal reasons


I do find it amusing that over a season ago everyone hated laurel and was claiming all she did was moan and cry and now the pitch forks are out.

Well that's what inconsistent and poor writing will do. Ironically, that's what the complaints about Felicity are right now.

I think it's likely that this person, whoever it is, is having a "S3 Laurel" moment, with some combination of revenge/honoring for BC's death and personal rage issues. But that literally means it could be anyone, since it's now common knowledge that the late ADA Laurel Lance was the BC. I doubt[BLACKOUT] Felicity, since she's still in "I don't want anything to do with this" mode[/BLACKOUT], but I guess anything's possible. Could be [BLACKOUT]Thea[/BLACKOUT], I guess. Or it could be a random new person who was saved by BC once (or knew Laurel once) and now wants to honor her. My guess is by the end of this episode, the character won't be on this crusade anymore; Oliver will change her mind. If she's not someone we already know, maybe she never even appears again (or does but not as BC). Who knows?

I just think it's in really bad taste to have someone else in that role/costume so soon, whether it's Felicity or not. It basically tries to do the Dark Knight Rises and claim the mask is a symbol, even though that NC has not gotten favorable treatment at all.

So it's probably

Spoiler

Madison McLaughlin who's playing that "new" BC role

, right?

If it weren't for the appearance on Legends, I would have thought it was [BLACKOUT]Talia[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Primal Slayer]

The Black Canary role should die permanently with Laurel. Trying to make it into a constant legacy (go figure, everyone and they mama would be able to take over the role) just pisses me off, it would definitely show that they got rid of Laurel because they want to make sure people know that they owe nothing to the comics.

 

[zenith16]

I feel the same way it should end there.

 

[Paradox1]

I don't even think I'll even finish the season so if they wanna make another BC that's fine.

 

[Fincher]

If anyone should be the new Black Canary, it's Sara. I didn't want Laurel to take on the role, and this would be that but without the reasoning that she has the name and that Katie Cassidy was promised. Any new character (or anyone new to the vigilante gig) would be better served by having their own identity.

 

[Dark Raven]

If anyone should be the new Canary, it's Felicity. Then Sara could've just been a stepping stone to Laurel being another stepping stone to Felicity becoming BC and forming Olicity.

 

[Paradox1]

If anyone should be the new Black Canary, it's Sara. I didn't want Laurel to take on the role, and this would be that but without the reasoning that she has the name and that Katie Cassidy was promised. Any new character (or anyone new to the vigilante gig) would be better served by having their own identity.

Sara is the White Canary now and it should stay that way.

 

[regnak]

Sara is the White Canary now and it should stay that way.

Any Sara fan who wants her back on Arrow as the BC is not thinking things through. As it is she ended up lucking out by the way things went.

 

[O'Haire]

Last thing I want to see is Sara back on Arrow full time doing nothing. At least on Legends she is being used correctly.

 

[Fincher]

Why would she need to come back to Arrow to be Black Canary (or just Canary), anyway?

Separate from what they call her, I think it would be cool to see her in an adapted version of Black Canary's first Birds of Prey costume:

A recent episode pointed out that there's both light and darkness in her, so I think something like this would be more appropriate thematically, anyway.

 

[zenith16]

Any Sara fan who wants her back on Arrow as the BC is not thinking things through. As it is she ended up lucking out by the way things went.

that would be true except for the simple fact that's sara's a Guggenheim creation. so he'd pay some (more)attention to her kinda like thea. if you haven't notice3 the ones getting the shaft are the characters that were apart of arrow lore and were developed well inthe books of arrow justice league, Titans and outsiders.


where they developed thing like leadership black canary as the chairwoman/ person of the league


Arsenal fallowed nightwing path while sorta the gambit of the senor titan's in the books , he grew out of the name speedy became his own hero and a teen dad the became good father to his child was trained by other hero's and agents in the goverment of actual law enforcement and the spy world and actually did good . and gain skills like detective skills and martial while his mentor stay stagnate for while only staying to the bow til his return only cause his son Conner hawk really surpassed next roy and black canary .


it's as if Guggenheim is wearily ticked that the other former writers on the books while playing catch up to those three had to develop green arrow further. So it's like a weird punishment to arsenal and black canary.

So he makes his own creations the focus in he show and for the life of me I can't figure out why BC and Roy/arsenal were put on the show if MG Didn't care to develop them further ,if he rather his own creation's be at the for front .

Roy got to leave town in the show (which was their version of the split of sorts) cause he's hiding /cause he supposedly died.

bc on the other hand.. . Point is if your not one of marc Guggenheim's creations your not worth his time.

even though Felicity existed as a back ground character in the books and was Ronnies / fire storms step mother . ala a more high tech but slightly younger aunt may.


that All said I rather sara keep the white canary and be her own character.

 

[Ryder]

I do find it amusing that over a season ago everyone hated laurel and was claiming all she did was moan and cry and now the pitch forks are out.

The enemy of your enemy...

 

[regnak]

Why would she need to come back to Arrow to be Black Canary (or just Canary), anyway?

Separate from what they call her, I think it would be cool to see her in an adapted version of Black Canary's first Birds of Prey costume:

A recent episode pointed out that there's both light and darkness in her, so I think something like this would be more appropriate thematically, anyway.

Sara if she is written in character should stay the WC because that outfit and name were the last things her sister gave her. That should mean a lot to her.

 

[Slade W]

Even if Sara comes back to Arrow, she should stay the White Canary IMO.

 

[regnak]

Even if Sara comes back to Arrow, she should stay the White Canary IMO.

If Sara came back to Arrow there would be immediate pressure on Guggenheim from the Olicity shippers to kill her. (She has slept with Oliver multiple times in the past most recently in season 2.) And who thinks he would stand up to them now?

 

[Slade W]

If Sara came back to Arrow there would be immediate pressure on Guggenheim from the Olicity shippers to kill her. (She has slept with Oliver multiple times in the past most recently in season 2.) And who thinks he would stand up to them now?

True. She is more of an original creation though, so maybe, because of that, he would hold her in higher regard than he did Laurel and treat her with more respect. While it would not completely silence the shippers, perhaps putting Sara in a relationship with someone else, having her show no interest in Oliver, having her become friends with Felicity and have Felicity grace Sara with compliments and her approval would spare him from some of their wrath and perhaps endear Sara to a lot of them.

 

[DeadFan]

Sara if she is written in character should stay the WC because that outfit and name were the last things her sister gave her. That should mean a lot to her.

Agree
That would be respectful & touching but I think MG often misses emotional undertones like that, going instead for the big "wows" I think he's kind of tone-deaf where a lot of emotional beats are concerned

If Sara came back to Arrow there would be immediate pressure on Guggenheim from the Olicity shippers to kill her. (She has slept with Oliver multiple times in the past most recently in season 2.) And who thinks he would stand up to them now?

Completely agree, and no, I do not think he would stand up to them for very long. Though I agree he may try various things, like putting her in another relationship, to try to appease them (with another woman would be best to further send a signal to Olicity fans that Sara & Oliver wouldn't get back together, even though Sara is bisexual so it really wouldn't rule it out). However, I think a portion of Olicity fans would still be concerned & only be content if Sara stayed off the show. I have seen some Felicity/Olicity fans say their hope now, with Laurel out of the "way" (their words, not mine) is that Felicity will be "freed up" to go out in the field with Oliver & Diggle, so apparently some would like her out in the field. But I am not saying the "majority" of her fans feel that way Who knows how the "majority" feels, considering only talking about small numbers on social media and even then not all of those

But on a brighter note, since Thea is Oliver's sister, she is probably safe from the fears of these Olicity fans Although I saw quite a few who were mad at her for reinforcing Oliver's decision not to tell Felicity about William when Oliver & Thea had that chat a while back... but maybe they won't hold a grudge

 

[Omegabat]

Agree
That would be respectful & touching but I think MG often misses emotional undertones like that, going instead for the big "wows" I think he's kind of tone-deaf where a lot of emotional beats are concerned



Completely agree, and no, I do not think he would stand up to them for very long. Though I agree he may try various things, like putting her in another relationship, to try to appease them (with another woman would be best to further send a signal to Olicity fans that Sara & Oliver wouldn't get back together, even though Sara is bisexual so it really wouldn't rule it out). However, I think a portion of Olicity fans would still be concerned & only be content if Sara stayed off the show. I have seen some Felicity/Olicity fans say their hope now, with Laurel out of the "way" (their words, not mine) is that Felicity will be "freed up" to go out in the field with Oliver & Diggle, so apparently some would like her out in the field. But I am not saying the "majority" of her fans feel that way Who knows how the "majority" feels, considering only talking about small numbers on social media and even then not all of those

But on a brighter note, since Thea is Oliver's sister, she is probably safe from the fears of these Olicity fans Although I saw quite a few who were mad at her for reinforcing Oliver's decision not to tell Felicity about William when Oliver & Thea had that chat a while back... but maybe they won't hold a grudge

In itself I wouldn't mind any of this,I just hate how these guys are lazy even when it comes to Felicity. She's Barbara Gordon,no she's Wendy maybe she'll be Black Canary...seriously what the hell? aside from her godawful mother most of this character just steals from other characters. I'm kinda glad Arrow is being hit with restrictions when it comes to using comic concepts. It doesn't want to be a comic book show so be it,dont bend 75 years of DC mythology at the service of a garbage character like Felicity. She can be whatever she wants as long as it doesn't take a dump on established concepts.

 

[kguillou]

I didnt watch the episode yet but you know what the worst part is? Now we have to watch Quentin go through the grieving process alllll over again. After how painful it was to watch that during season 3, I am not looking forward to that again.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

True. She is more of an original creation though, so maybe, because of that, he would hold her in higher regard than he did Laurel and treat her with more respect. While it would not completely silence the shippers, perhaps putting Sara in a relationship with someone else, having her show no interest in Oliver, having her become friends with Felicity and have Felicity grace Sara with compliments and her approval would spare him from some of their wrath and perhaps endear Sara to a lot of them.

This is the showrunner that unceremoniously killed her off in the first episode of season three, put the importance of her death aside in favor of Olicity, and then made half the lead characters act like Merlyn wasn't an evil b****** for killing her and several hundred other people all the way until halfway through season four. Season 3 doesn't exactly give me confidence that they'd treat the character with any respect, and 4 hasn't exactly earned the confidence back. Keep Sara on Legends so that Guggenheim isn't given the opportunity to kill off Black Canary for a third time.

 

[Fincher]

Sara if she is written in character should stay the WC because that outfit and name were the last things her sister gave her. That should mean a lot to her.

If you mean the outfit itself, outfits get damaged. If you mean the general identity, I think it's more in Laurel's character to be continually focused on dead relatives. Sara could easily reach a point where she doesn't want that look anymore and moves on. If the last thing a woman's sister does for her is suggest she cut her hair short, is she going to go, "I can never grow my hair long again because Wendy!"

Now if you want her to honor Laurel by wearing white from here on out, I mean, it's okay that you want that, but it's not a concern of mine. I don't want her to be trapped in White Canary mode when it was a way of working around a character who isn't even there anymore.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Keep Sara on Legends so that Guggenheim isn't given the opportunity to kill off Black Canary for a third time.

Well, with this wannabe appearing next episode, he might already get that opportunity.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Nah the wannabe won't be getting killed off

Spoiler

It's heavily expected that it is Nyssas little friend who by the way is suppose to be reoccurring during S5