Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[bes628]

For the life of me, I don't understand how Oliver beat Damian. Not one ounce of logic to say why Darhk Magic did not work.

And then there was like a 15 second action seen, where they literally just jabbed each other to completion.

Like what the *****.

 

[C. Lee]

For the life of me, I don't understand how Oliver beat Damian. Not one ounce of logic to say why Darhk Magic did not work.

And then there was like a 15 second action seen, where they literally just jabbed each other to completion.

Like what the *****.

The way I saw it....Dahrk got power from the deaths of people....Arrow was able to draw power from the people willing to die to fight Dahrk's rule. When all the people in town showed up and told Dahrk to leave....that's when Arrow's eyes glowed and suddenly Dahrk was powerless.

 

[bes628]

The way I saw it....Dahrk got power from the deaths of people....Arrow was able to draw power from the people willing to die to fight Dahrk's rule. When all the people in town showed up and told Dahrk to leave....that's when Arrow's eyes glowed and suddenly Dahrk was powerless.

Thats...dumb. Correct, probably but Dumb.


Not an insult to you by the way.

 

[SpideyVille]

It just reminds me of the finale of Smallville, where you have to give hope to the people in order to destroy the darkness that Darkseid has put into their hearts.

Not to mention, last time I checked, when there's a riot and looting and stuff, the last thing people do is gather in unison around a guy standing on a car.

 

[metaphysician]

Thats...dumb. Correct, probably but Dumb.


Not an insult to you by the way.

Eh, it makes perfect thematic sense. It just had blah execution, because Ollie is a *terrible* source of inspiration.

 

[CrystalFortress]

What were those generic looking boxes the crowd was holding?
Why was there a guy with a camera in the middle of riot? (Both at Oliver's speech and then again at the Dahrk fight)
Where did those people come from in the final fight?
Why does Dahrk always wait to go "wait I have an army as well"?
Why did the ghosts not use their guns?
I'm sure in one scene the ring of lights in the layer was down, then it was up then in the next it was down again but I may be remembering that.

I still really don't think Arrow should be dealing with end of the world type stuff. It doesn't have to be small scale just not end of everything scale. A Global conspiracy or something could have the raised stakes without having it all seem a little wrong.

I'm not convinced blowing all those nukes up in space is a good idea (for a cop out as to why the world isn't a nuclear wasteland) . A lot of that radiation is going to come back down in one form or another. There also seemed to be no conventional means of stopping the attacks deployed which annoyed me.

Argus likes sending people to their death. They could have been a fair bit more effective elsewhere. Say fighting those ghosts that magically appeared near the end.

Team Arrow got trimmed down a fair bit. Probably won't stick too long. Oliver getting Mayor was a logical step forward (I don't know about American politics too much, but why wouldn't the deputy mayor be appointed until the election?).

 

[Slade W]

They have not mentioned what the point of the ring Darhk was shown with in prison was. They also did not show us his earlier years, despite Neal saying that they were going to. I assume that there was "not enough time", but they never struggle to fit Felicity or Donna in or find something for them to do, despite them being much less interesting characters than Darhk.

 

[b_boy]

About Darkhs power, it was said that Oliver could repel his magic because of the tatoo Constantine gave him, but the repelling would be on Oliver only. On the fight he couldn't use the magic on Oliver, but as soon as Felicity's ex boyfriend stopped typing on the keyboard, Darkh killed him even being really far from him. So it really made no sense that Darkh couldn't just throw a car at Oliver, a stone, or did a lot of magic things instead of standing in front of him waiting to be punched on the face....

 

[Primal Slayer]

They never really delved into Thea being able to repel Darkhs powers did they? That entire thing was dropped REAL FAST.

 

[kguillou]

I just read about the Arrow subreddit changing to Daredevil. While hilarious, it also kind of breaks my heart that its come to this. WTF has happened to this show? This used to be the standard for superhero television. This was the show that PROVED that you could do a television series about a guy dressing up in tights and fighting crime and have it not be silly and have it be engaging on a narrative level. In fact, if there was no Arrow, I don't think we'd have Daredevil.

But man, the show has just become a chore to watch and so damn repetitive. I mean, on the one hand, I get it, I get that being on the CW means that there are certain....creative stipulations that you have to abide by. There has to be a certain level of romance drama and soap opera BS, but, hey, superhero comics are partly soap operas in of themselves so that's ok. But then I look like other shows on the CW like The 100 and Nikita. Both, absolutely FANTASTIC television shows that continually pushed the envelope and show you do not HAVE to abide by CW-isms (although to be fair, both of those shows got low ratings).

I think I've officially jumped off this ship. I'm not even sure I'm going to watch Flash anymore either (that's a different topic). Legends of Tomorrow is hot and cold with me, when its good it's AWESOME, and when its bad it bores me to sleep. I think honestly, in the wake of Daredevil and Jessica Jones, these Berlanti-CW shows are not for me. These 23 episode, soap opera filled, melodramatic shows are just not for me anymore. If only these shows could: 1) cut down their episode order so that these season arcs aren't dragged out so long 2) cut out the dumb romance melodrama 3) tell more focused stories with zero filler in between--if these things would happen I would come back but I do not see that happening sadly.

Sorry, friends. Rant over. I had to let it out my system.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

So who are some potentials for Oliver's "Punisher" in S5? A non-powered vigilante who's likely willing to kill, a la S1 Oliver, who Oliver will have issues with due to their darkness. Not sure really who fits that bill, but I'm not really into DC comics very much so I often don't know a character's lore until they appear in one of these shows. I'd suggest Wildcat if he hadn't already appeared in S3.

 

[Broseph44]

First promo pic for season 5

 

[king666]

IMDB Ratings

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Wow. That's quite a sharp decline. Arrow really needs to cut the fat and zero in on its strengths, which imo are....Oliver Queen....and that's it. Maybe Captain Lance.

What I think they should do for season 5:

Spoiler

-Keep those supporting characters off the show. Thea, Diggle and his family? Who cares about these people? They're not interesting, nor entertaining. Just dead weight. In the first episode, have the supporting characters (Felicity included) either killed off or captured, setting up the new big bad.

-During his time as mayor, have Oliver exposed to the city's wealth disparity and white-collar crime.

-Halfway through the season, have the villain expose Mayor Queen as the Green Arrow, revealing all the murders and deplorable things he's done, and have him robbed of his funds (for real this time).

-Have Oliver become somewhat unhinged, beard grown out, and he's seen as a lunatic. People in the street sometimes make fun of him when they catch a glimpse of him crime-fighting in an alley or whatever, etc.

-Eventually have it revealed that Laurel's final wish was to have Oliver fake her death, and have Laurel come back to crime-fighting, desperately trying to bring Oliver out his rut. Though he tries to keep her at a distance, eventually he lets his guard down and through crime-fighting together and being there for each other, the two fall in love once more and Oliver becomes a more and more hopeful, upbeat character.

-Keep the action small, so they can focus on making it tighter and more believable. The big Power Rangers fights do nothing for nobody. Refrain from using the cheesy action music every fight. How about some more scoreless action scenes instead?

-No more cheesy dialogue about 'Darkness'. Doesn't gel with the style of the show.

 

[king666]

You guys should check out onBenchNow (reddit user). He writes Arrow summaries. They're absolutely hilarious.

 

[Broseph44]

You guys should check out onBenchNow (reddit user). He writes Arrow summaries. They're absolutely hilarious.

I'm looking at his one now for the finale and it's Hilarious

 

[O'Haire]

You guys should check out onBenchNow (reddit user). He writes Arrow summaries. They're absolutely hilarious.

Discovered them a couple months ago. They are fantastic and more entertaining than the actual show.

 

[Slade W]

I am still wondering what is going to happen with that runaway missile that Felicity sent away from Starling. Perhaps next season, when all hope is lost and the new villain, Eddie Evihl, is in control and has beaten Oliver and his team and is just about to deliver the killing blow, the missile comes back and kills him. That way, Felicity can be the hero of the season, as it was her that sent it in the direction that it is going. As you can see, they are already planning for next season. Excellent forward planning by Guggenheim, what a genius.

 

[Logan0327]

this show needs a serious revamp i think i still watch it because i have watched from the beginning lol

this show just lacks the spark and energy from first 2 seasons i dont know what it need but it needs something real quick

 

[vantheman77]

Need to go back to its roots from the first two seasons that made it great in the first place.

I will bet you that Arrow and his team are going to feel out of place in the mega crossover in comparison to the other superpowered shows.

 

[Herolee10]

As long as Felicity and Olicity continue to reign in supreme, there's no chance that this show will ever go back to being as good as it was in Season 2.

 

[Logan0327]

As long as Felicity and Olicity continue to reign in supreme, there's no chance that this show will ever go back to being as good as it was in Season 2.

sad thing is i used to really like felicity in 1st 2 seasons when she was the fun quirky tech chick

smallville did same crap by putting Clark with Chloe

 

[javonstokess]

The inherent problem with Arrow is that the foundation it was created on wasn't inspired by the source material. Arrow isn't the "child" of the "Green Arrow" comics like The Flash is inspired by The Flash books. Arrow is the child of "Batman".

They never really set out to give the TV Oliver the personality of the comic book Oliver. They just made him Bruce Wayne. They seemingly tried to "develop" him in that direction, but they almost inevitably revert to type and he's back to being "Batman" again.

 

[SpideyVille]

sad thing is i used to really like felicity in 1st 2 seasons when she was the fun quirky tech chick

smallville did same crap by putting Clark with Chloe

See, I felt like the Clark/Chloe romance made much more sense, since she had been in love with him secretly while he was fawning over Lana. But I wouldn't have minded if they actually dated for a while.

It was the pairing of Oliver and Chloe that really frustrated me because, once again, it made Ollie look weak. His romance with Lois made much more sense at the time than Chloe then, or Felicity now.

 

[javonstokess]

See, I felt like the Clark/Chloe romance made much more sense, since she had been in love with him secretly while he was fawning over Lana. But I wouldn't have minded if they actually dated for a while.

It was the pairing of Oliver and Chloe that really frustrated me because, once again, it made Ollie look weak. His romance with Lois made much more sense at the time than Chloe then, or Felicity now.

The problem with the Oliver/Felicity romance is it took a woman who was independent and confident and reduced her to worrying about her relationship/feelings for Oliver 24/7. It had Oliver constantly getting reamed out for things that he had almost no control over by a woman who was kinda responsible for getting him back into a life he wanted no part of anymore.

They just went sideways and couldn't write a romance that empowered both characters. If anything, it broke them down and made them almost unrecognizable....in a bad way.