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Yeah if History has taught us anyth8ng, I expect the producers to go back to the Olicity nonsense later on in the season through some forced reason. Look at how the second season of the Flash was free of the Iris and Barry drama, only for them to get back together after having Patty leave so abruptly.

What makes you think they won't give him horrible relationship drama with some new love interest, instead? The problem is not, and never has been, Olicity. The problem has been "the writers write terrible romance drama".
 
What makes you think they won't give him horrible relationship drama with some new love interest, instead? The problem is not, and never has been, Olicity. The problem has been "the writers write terrible romance drama".

Beg to differ, personally. Oliver/Laurel and Tommy/Laurel were never as problematic as Olicity. I mean, sure, there was a lot of drama but to me it was different. I think it's because the writers favor Felicity so much that she was the overpowering presence in the relationship; everything was always about her. Oliver became very emasculated and Felicity was always depicted as being right, to the point that Oliver was punished for something that wasn't even his fault (Samantha forced Oliver to promise to keep William a secret, and on top of that Felicity was mad that Oliver "told" others, but he didn't; they all found out about it on their own). That's the problem. Felicity was made to be the central focus of right in the show, with everything Oliver did being the problem.
 
Yeah if History has taught us anyth8ng, I expect the producers to go back to the Olicity nonsense later on in the season through some forced reason. Look at how the second season of the Flash was free of the Iris and Barry drama, only for them to get back together after having Patty leave so abruptly.
Yeah, last season didn't really start to suffer until they created drama for drama's sake. I fully expect that to happen this season once Oliver finds out Felicity is dating someone else.
They kinda were together though, that whole olicity plot was the radioactive waste of that season.
Yeah, the main plot through season 3 was the Olicity romance, and whether or not they would find a way to be together. If anything, the strongest moments of season 4 were went they were already together. It wasn't until they split that the season went downhill again.
Beg to differ, personally. Oliver/Laurel and Tommy/Laurel were never as problematic as Olicity. I mean, sure, there was a lot of drama but to me it was different. I think it's because the writers favor Felicity so much that she was the overpowering presence in the relationship; everything was always about her. Oliver became very emasculated and Felicity was always depicted as being right, to the point that Oliver was punished for something that wasn't even his fault (Samantha forced Oliver to promise to keep William a secret, and on top of that Felicity was mad that Oliver "told" others, but he didn't; they all found out about it on their own). That's the problem. Felicity was made to be the central focus of right in the show, with everything Oliver did being the problem.
My issue with Olicity is that Felicity is given all the power. They write her so horribly, and instead of Oliver calling her out like he has with everyone else on the team, not only does he let her get away with it, but everyone else seems to take her side and will tell Oliver to give her time to come around, as opposed to talking to her about why she might be wrong.

I can live with them being together, but not when it means Felicity has taken over the lead role because the character is never at her best when that's the case.
 
The thing about Oliver not telling Felicity about the kid was dumb on Oliver's part. Why? Because Samantha would have no way of verifying that he hadn't told anyone. What's she going to do, call all of Ollie's friends every day and ask them whether he's told them about their secret child?

In this specific instance, Felicity was right to be mad. Ollie was put in a position where he was forced to lie, and instead of lying to his ex he chose to lie to the woman he was trying to marry.
 
The thing about Oliver not telling Felicity about the kid was dumb on Oliver's part. Why? Because Samantha would have no way of verifying that he hadn't told anyone. What's she going to do, call all of Ollie's friends every day and ask them whether he's told them about their secret child?

In this specific instance, Felicity was right to be mad. Ollie was put in a position where he was forced to lie, and instead of lying to his ex he chose to lie to the woman he was trying to marry.
No, the problem was Felicity acted like he told everyone except for him, when the only people that knew were Barry (because of time travel), Malcolm (because he's the magician and just has a way of finding things out), and Thea (who did the digging and figured it out on her own). Oliver never told anyone and Felicity acted as though he didn't trust her above anyone else.

Not to mention, Oliver did what was necessary for the opportunity to be a part of his son's life. Had something happened where Samantha found out that he didn't keep his end of the bargain, that could have meant losing the ability to see his son ever again. It's a tough situation to be in regardless, but Felicity still overreacted and turned it around to have it all be about her.
 
IMO, Felicity had a right to know Oliver had a child. She did not, however, have the right to tell Oliver what to do with the child.
 
It might've been something to tell her before the wedding, definitely, but I don't think she needed to know at the point when she found out. They were busy dealing with Darhk, and Oliver did not feel she needed to know at that point in their life. No doubt, he wouldn't have felt it relevant to her life with everything else going on.
 
No, the problem was Felicity acted like he told everyone except for him, when the only people that knew were Barry (because of time travel), Malcolm (because he's the magician and just has a way of finding things out), and Thea (who did the digging and figured it out on her own). Oliver never told anyone and Felicity acted as though he didn't trust her above anyone else.

Not to mention, Oliver did what was necessary for the opportunity to be a part of his son's life. Had something happened where Samantha found out that he didn't keep his end of the bargain, that could have meant losing the ability to see his son ever again. It's a tough situation to be in regardless, but Felicity still overreacted and turned it around to have it all be about her.
Does Felicity know how everyone else found out? Once everyone else did find out, why still keep it from Felicity?

Ollie trusted his ex-girlfriend who concealed a child from him for years over his fiancee.

Again, how the hell was Samantha going to find out Felicity knew?

There's literally no reason for Ollie not to tell Felicity. Especially once he tells her about Samantha's condition... Felicity would take that secret to her grave.

Like I said, he was put in a position where he had to lie... and instead of lying to the very same girl that has been lying to him for years, he chose to lie to the person he wanted to be in a long term relationship with.

I'm not much of a Felicity fan but anyone in a relationship would and should be pissed in that situation. He hid the fact that he had a child from her for no reason when his sister, his ex, his superhero buddy, and a freaking supervillain all knew.
 
The fact that Felicity flipped out on him just as much in the original timeline, before Barry went and changed things, says a lot about her character. At that point, Oliver has just found out, yet she flipped on him for not telling her right away.

And come on, Samantha was coerced into lying by Oliver's mother. Let's not act like she was malicious all that time.
 
I'm still team Felicity in the baby momma drama. Telling her wouldn't have put the kid in danger and Oliver should've trusted her enough to tell her.
 
Well, all that I'll add is that I've seen several fans turn on Felicity after her characterization from last season...which, I really don't blame them for doing.

Felicity came off as a self righteous know it all, refusing to take any responsibility and blaming everyone for everything.

The Felicity from Seasons 1 and 2 accepted Oliver for who he was when no one else didn't but the Felicity from Seasons 3 and 4 crapped on him all the time.
 
I'm still team Felicity in the baby momma drama. Telling her wouldn't have put the kid in danger and Oliver should've trusted her enough to tell her.

I do understand, but I think it's not that Oliver didn't trust her (I'm sure he trusted her), it's that he takes promises very, very seriously. He made a promise, whether under duress or not, so he was going follow through with it. Look how upset he got when Thea found out.
 
Well, all that I'll add is that I've seen several fans turn on Felicity after her characterization from last season...which, I really don't blame them for doing.

Felicity came off as a self righteous know it all, refusing to take any responsibility and blaming everyone for everything.

The Felicity from Seasons 1 and 2 accepted Oliver for who he was when no one else didn't but the Felicity from Seasons 3 and 4 crapped on him all the time.

The fact that she doesn't get called out ever is my problem, and the fact that she always has a snarky comment like even the latest episode with Oliver's training of the team. Um, what do you know about tactical combat training again? I think i wouldn't have as much of a problem if they didn't make Oliver such a whipping boy. I mean if I had to give up the right to see my kid in order to keep him safe and then my fiance dumps me right after because i didn't tell her (in which you had no say in the first place), without a single thought of how much it was destroying me already, i think I'd be yelling and screaming at that point. We would definitely not be able to work together after that.
 
I would have honestly killed off Thea at the end of Season 4, causing Malcolm to leave the show at the end, with Laurel becoming Oliver's assistant instead.

And just to stick it to some of the crazed Olicity fans, I'd keep that ship apart for good, without any hints of them reuniting as a couple and just have Felicity end up with someone else.
 
I would be a much, much happier man if nobody ever tried to combine the names of couples into one stupid name again.
 
I would have honestly killed off Thea at the end of Season 4, causing Malcolm to leave the show at the end, with Laurel becoming Oliver's assistant instead.

And just to stick it to some of the crazed Olicity fans, I'd keep that ship apart for good, without any hints of them reuniting as a couple and just have Felicity end up with someone else.

Captain Lance. Think of the major boost to Laurel having to deal with her father's death by the same man who had just tried to kill her!

They really have to do something for his character for this season, as all he is right now is a pity piece.
 
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-crossover-will-be-five-episodes-long

It's learned the upcoming big CW DC crossover featuring Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl and DC's Legends of Tomorrow will be five episodes long.

Stephen Amell posted a Facebook Live video where he spoke about filming.

"Hey, Facebook! What is happening!" Amell said. "I am back after five weeks of crossover craziness that consisted of five different episodes of television. Not five different shows, but five different episodes of television being filmed simultaneously."
 
I agree. Lance needed to die. I like him a lot, but that character has no purpose at this point and they're ruining him. Not to mention, it could have given Laurel even more to do and battle had she been alive.
 
I feel like the two biggest reasons why they killed off Laurel was for shock value and because they didn't want there to be any potential obstacles when it came to their Olicity fetish.
 
I feel like the two biggest reasons why they killed off Laurel was for shock value and because they didn't want there to be any potential obstacles when it came to their Olicity fetish.
That's exactly what it was, although I also feel like the rumored tension between Katie and MG was also a factor. I mean, it was a pretty crappy thing to do to not even tell her she was the one dying until the last minute.
 
http://heroichollywood.com/arrow-100th-supergirl-crossover/

The crossover event will pit the CW heroes against The Dominators, a group of technologically advanced alien species dedicated to eliminating the threat of metahumans, prompting our heroes to bring in an alien ally of their own. Guggenheim explains:

“Once the heroes realize that they’re up against aliens, they decide that they need an alien on their side. Fortunately, Barry knows a really nice one. I don’t think it’s a big shock that between Barry and Cisco, and all their experiences with Earth-2 and the multi-verse, that they can pluck her from Earth-CBS.”

While the crossover is being touted as four-part event, Guggenheim considers it to be more of a three-part event, with Supergirl kicking off the story when Cisco and Barry appear to enlist Kara’s help at the end of a Supergirl episode.

“Some people call it a four-way crossover because it involves four shows; my ulcer requires me to call it a three-part crossover. The story that’s being told has a beginning, middle, and end: a beginning inFlash, a middle in Arrow, and an end in Legends. But Supergirl is very much a part of the whole thing, so we are crossing over four shows — four shows in three parts.”

Guggenheim elaborated, explaining that in addition to John Barrowman and Neal McDonough reprising their respective roles as Malcolm Merlyn and Damien Darhk, the 100th episode will pay tribute to the shows history.

“I haven’t seen the episode all cut together yet, but it has some incredibly iconic moments. It is a love letter to the show, it draws on all previous 99 episodes pretty much. Everyone who we could have in the episode, from a scheduling point of view, is in the episode. Even the people who we couldn’t have, because of conflicting schedules, are represented. At the same time, you’ve got Flash and Supergirl; that’s an enormous amount of fun. Certainly the recruits also play a very large role, an important role, in the episode. I’m really excited about it.”

Guggenheim also stated that the 100th episode of Arrow will feature series star Stephen Amell’s greatest performance yet as Oliver Queen.

“There’s one moment in it that I think is probably Stephen’s finest performance to date. This one scene, that really has two moments within the one scene, it will break your heart. It will take your heart, pull it out, and stomp it on the floor. It’s very, very affecting. It’s all on Stephen’s back. It’s incredible. Willa [Holland]’s amazing in the episode. Everyone obviously brought their A game to it. I’m really, really excited about it. It’s the 100th episode!”
 
That's exactly what it was, although I also feel like the rumored tension between Katie and MG was also a factor. I mean, it was a pretty crappy thing to do to not even tell her she was the one dying until the last minute.

They've had two live action attempts at Green Arrow and none of them get it. Oliver Queen loves Dinah Laurel Lance like Clark Kent love Lois or Spidey loves Mary Jane.
 
They've had two live action attempts at Green Arrow and none of them get it. Oliver Queen loves Dinah Laurel Lance like Clark Kent love Lois or Spidey loves Mary Jane.
I'm not too big on the current comics, but didn't they get rid of the Ollie/Dinah relationship in the new 52? I was reading the first issue of Rebirth and it sounded like they barely knew each other in that universe, and Arrow would often take a lot of cues from there.

Smallville, on the other hand, still pisses me off till this day with how they treated Ollie after season 8.
 
I feel like the two biggest reasons why they killed off Laurel was for shock value and because they didn't want there to be any potential obstacles when it came to their Olicity fetish.

have you been watching the show and read interview.they gave felicity a boyfriend,and all the interviews are saying olicity isn't reuniting anytime soon.
unlike season 3 when they made clear there was going to be oliver-felicity-ray triangle this year olicity fans get nothing to indicate anything will happen.
 
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