Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[KillerMcQueen]

Yeah, there were not that much complaints about the relationship or the season in general last year, until the ending of episode 15, which funnily enough, was a good episode, but the ending really annoyed a lot of people. After that, there were much more complaints and ratings started to go down.

it was almost impressive how episode 4-15 managed to trainwreck in all of two minutes at the end.

 

[Slade W]

it was almost impressive how episode 4-15 managed to trainwreck in all of two minutes at the end.

The funny things is, I thought she had a point. Oliver should have told her he had a son IMO. I know he was told not to tell anyone, but if he told Felicity she would have kept it a secret. You should not keep something so big from someone you want to marry.

She had no say in any decision involving William though. She mentioned "being left out of the decision". I do not know if she meant simply being present when the decision was being made and maybe offer advice if asked, or to have an equal say to Oliver. If she thought she had equal say to Oliver, then she was in the wrong.

It was quite ridiculous for the writers to have had relationship drama be what the show left us with before a long break, as if it were so exciting to most of us and something that meant so much to us. The ending should have involved Darhk, Malcolm or H.I.V.E in some way.

 

[Herolee10]

Well what's also interesting is that Felicity's new boyfriend is doing the EXACT opposite of what Felicity did with Oliver when it comes to handling the fact that your loved one has a few big secrets in their lives.

Honestly, I simply can't tolerate Felicity at times in this season because she comes off so hypocritical. She acts as if she knows all and comes off so condescending as well.

Frankly, I just can't see her character being completely redeemed because of how bad and cruel they made her last season.

 

[vantheman77]

Stephen Amell wasn't happy with the 4th season and I can't blame him.

 

[NotNickFury]

At the very least, the reaction to the fourth season, I hope, gave the showrunners enough of a kick to give us a season that, at least how I and assume others feel, is similar to Arrow in its first season. Yeah, Oliver's not dropping AS many bodies as before, and I don't know if he's done it in every episode thus far this season, but I think putting killing back on the table helped recapture that dark tone that made Season 1 so memorable.

 

[Gintoki]

And that's totally okay. Olicity is actually not bad when there's no drama. In the first half of S4, before the Baby Ollie incident, their relationship wasn't at the forefront; it was there but not prominent, and it worked. If they could get back to that, then Olicity is okay. And if that's what Amell pushes for, I'm okay with that since Lauriver is unlikely to ever happen now.

Are you okay? The relationship was overshadowing even the first half of S4.
even the mid-season finale was about her. It freaking butchered Oliver's character.

If the show wants to survive, it needs to back the hell away from the olicity romance. The moment there's any glimpse of that crap coming back, I'm just out.

 

[Slade W]

I cannot speak for everyone obviously, but the posters on here mostly enjoyed the start of season 4, and this can be seen by there being mostly positive comments in the episode threads, as well as there being high ratings out of ten. It was after episode 15 when it started to go downhill in terms of ratings and people started complaining a lot. That is not to say that before episode 15, things were perfect and that there were no complaints.

 

[Herolee10]

At the very least, the reaction to the fourth season, I hope, gave the showrunners enough of a kick to give us a season that, at least how I and assume others feel, is similar to Arrow in its first season. Yeah, Oliver's not dropping AS many bodies as before, and I don't know if he's done it in every episode thus far this season, but I think putting killing back on the table helped recapture that dark tone that made Season 1 so memorable.

I still wish that they would address one big contradiction that the show has going on right now.

All of the new recruits were shown having big problems with Oliver's killing tactics, yet two of Team Arrow's members use actual firearms and seemingly drop more bodies than Oliver does on a daily basis...so why is Oliver's killings such a big issue for them again?

I mean it'd be one thing if they were using special rounds that only knock out their opponents as opposed to making holes in their bodies. But the show hasn't established that.

Also, I think another reason why fans got even angrier/upset with the show as time went on in Season 4 was due to Laurel being killed off.

The fact that they could easily kill off an iconic and canon character from the comics while letting someone like Felicity live...let alone use Laurel's moments to promote Olicity and the reasoning that the producers gave for it felt like a slap to our faces.

It showed that the producers really didn't give a crap about what fans thought.

 

[Gintoki]

I cannot speak for everyone obviously, but the posters on here mostly enjoyed the start of season 4, and this can be seen by there being mostly positive comments in the episode threads, as well as there being high ratings out of ten. It was after episode 15 when it started to go downhill in terms of ratings and people started complaining a lot. That is not to say that before episode 15, things were perfect and that there were no complaints.

The first 5 eps of Season 4 were good, but everything went downhill after that.

But Oliver was still bland in the first five episodes.

Olicity is a major problem, which sadly can't be denied.

I just hope Stephen told Guggenheim to end Olicity, and keep them as friends, since they have better scenes as friends. Stephen used to pimp Olicity alot, but i guess he realized now how toxic it is to the show.

 

[Primal Slayer]

3rd Canary coming in!

 

[Thome216]

Good feelings only if it is Laurel! I hate that they mucked around with an essential character like that just to show how serious the show was.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Someone rational enough to say "hey, it might not be terrible because I haven't seen it yet"? Astounding!

Seriously, we need more people like that.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Good feelings only if it is Laurel! I hate that they mucked around with an essential character like that just to show how serious the show was.

It's not Laurel. It is a new original character.

 

[Slade W]

Someone rational enough to say "hey, it might not be terrible because I haven't seen it yet"? Astounding!

Seriously, we need more people like that.

I think most people are like that ATM, due to most things about this season being good so far.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Yeah, people have been better about that this season, but up until now there's been a sense of "oh, this is going to suck" (admittedly, the track record wasn't good) all the time. Remember when Evelyn was the Black Canary? Everyone said "Oh no, I bet it's Felicity and this will suck." But it was a teenage wannabe and it wasn't actually that bad, and it was only for one episode.

 

[Paradox1]

This is the kind of thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If it's not Laurel, no more Black Canary.

 

[NiallC]

Okay, I've only just started watching this season after letting a few episodes build up. About half way through the second episode now but I'm enjoying this season so much, it's feeling like it did in season 2. It's darker but it has comedic moments, more than I remember in season 2. I mean episode 1 was pretty brilliant. Even stuff like the editing has improved. I think I would have left Diggle out for a few episodes so that his story is a bit more concentrated throughout the story and more could be given to the main story. Tobias Church is awesome and played so well. It feels like they've definitely taken a few pointers from Daredevil and Flash in terms of action and making use of CGI a bit more. Loving what I've see of Ragman so far and I saw a article online say he would be better suited on one of the other shows I think it is necessary for a magic user on the show. After a slight introduction to it in season 3 and then a bit more consistent use last season, primarily on the side of evil, it's nice to progress to having a magic vigilante. I like the story with Lance though I hope it doesn't drag. Another great thing about season 2 was that whilst many disliked Laurel for it, they tackled issues. I'm glad they're covering it again and it helps to make the show have some realism.

But yeah overall pros have been an improvement on action, humour, Felicity, darker tone. Cons would be pacing with stories and maybe trying to do too much each episode with all the different threads.

 

[vantheman77]

That doesn't make fans of Dinah Laurel Lance any better. Might as well put Dinah Laurel in Supergirl.

 

[Crossvale]

If he didn't like the romance either, then I wouldn't be surprised that he's not saying so that he's not harassed by crazy Olicity shippers.

Always a Coward

Someone rational enough to say "hey, it might not be terrible because I haven't seen it yet"? Astounding!

You dont need to see a stupid idea executed to know that its a stupid idea.

 

[Syncos]

That doesn't make fans of Dinah Laurel Lance any better. Might as well put Dinah Laurel in Supergirl.

To my knowledge, fans of Laurel never harassed or threatened Stephen's wife. So I respectfully disagree. Everything i've ever observed has gone similar to this:

Laurel Fans: "I can't believe they killed off an essential character from the source material because of felicity. Olicity has ruined this show. Nobody watch it anymore! *continues watching*"

Olicity Fans: "How is Stephen even pretending he loves his wife. Clearly he and Emily love each other! I WANT HIS WIFE TO DIE!"

 

[SpideyVille]

I've always joked that Wendy Mericle, in interviews, looks like she's scared of saying something bad about Olicity and Felicity for fear that the shippers will kill her on the spot.

That kind of says a lot about how vicious they are when they are vocal.

 

[Slade W]

Of all the fans of Arrow that I see online, Olicity has fans that seem to make things the most personal with the actors and actresses. That is not to say all Olicity fans are bad, of course, but the nasty Olicity fans seem to be the nastiest of all Arrow fans.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[Herolee10]

So word is that some idiot fan actually gave Stephen Amell a hard headbutt upon meeting in person, saying that they wanted to fight the Green Arrow.

 

[batdude]

To my knowledge, fans of Laurel never harassed or threatened Stephen's wife. So I respectfully disagree. Everything i've ever observed has gone similar to this:

Laurel Fans: "I can't believe they killed off an essential character from the source material because of felicity. Olicity has ruined this show. Nobody watch it anymore! *continues watching*"

Olicity Fans: "How is Stephen even pretending he loves his wife. Clearly he and Emily love each other! I WANT HIS WIFE TO DIE!"

Oh brother, these fans. They need to remember it's just a show. they probably cost us Kevin Smith directing an Arrow episode oo.