Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[Primal Slayer]

I don't really care if Olicity fans will enjoy the season as long as I as a KC/BS/LL fan can enjoy it. If they can give everyone a slice of cake, I say go for it.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Yeah. Olicity fans also probably liked the last few episodes of S5 (the flashback romance scene, the reconciliation between the two of them, the kiss in the finale). Everyone else enjoyed them, too, so if they can make Olicity scenes work in S6 like they did in S5 and still focus on other stuff, too, then I'm fine with that. I just don't want all other aspects of the show to suffer due to Olicity-centric writing, like in S4 (which brought us Donna Smoak, Poppa Smoak, etc. and took away from the main story).

 

[Avenging Angel]

When I first saw that image, I honestly thought it was a fan manip.lol

Her costume looks like the female version of Wolverine's Costume from the original trilogy.

First thought I had too. I can't accept this BC 2.0 either. The writers need to focus on Black Siren's redemption arc.

 

[Primal Slayer]

JH has gone blonde so looks like DD wont be rocking a wig.

 

[marvelrobbins]

First thought I had too. I can't accept this BC 2.0 either. The writers need to focus on Black Siren's redemption arc.

i just don't understand why showrunners won't just let bc 2.0 go with Katie cassidy a full regular again for s6.most fans don't care about BC 2.0

 

[Avenging Angel]

This new canary doesn't hold a candle to comics Dinah, you can call her whatever you want, she isn't Black Canary. It not like she's a fan favorite either. Keeping her on is serving what? Again, not the actress, I don't like the disrespect done to the canary legacy now that Katie is a series regular.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I'll be devil's advocate and say I've really enjoyed Juliana in the role, they just haven't given her enough to do. I think she will grow into it and be a good Black Canary. Would I have preferred that they never kill of Laurel? Absolutely, 100%. But since they did, I think having Juliana as BC while keeping Cassidy around as Black Siren is the way to go, because Cassidy plays an awesome villain, too.

 

[Slade W]

i just don't understand why showrunners won't just let bc 2.0 go with Katie cassidy a full regular again for s6.most fans don't care about BC 2.0

What are you basing this on, if I may ask? Most comments I have seen online about her have been praise.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Yeah if I can have both of them I will be fine since it lessons the sting.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

JH has gone blonde so looks like DD wont be rocking a wig.

Huh. The costumed pic of her had brown hair. Wonder if it will actually be a minor plot point in one episode, her changing it to blonde. Or if it'll just change from one episode to the next.

 

[Primal Slayer]

She posted a workout video the other day wit her being blonde.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BV-KjY_jMLx/?taken-by=julianaharkavy&hl=en

Definitely won't be a one episode thing lol. They start shooting soon so it'll probably hold for majority of the season.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

She posted a workout video the other day wit her being blonde.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BV-KjY_jMLx/?taken-by=julianaharkavy&hl=en

Definitely won't be a one episode thing lol. They start shooting soon so it'll probably hold for majority of the season.

I meant, would there be an episode where she's like "The other Canaries were blonde, I should be too" and they actually make a plot point out of her hair color for that episode (before, like you said, her having it blonde for the rest of the season), or if it would just change to blonde with no explanation.

 

[Pennywise]

She posted a workout video the other day wit her being blonde.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BV-KjY_jMLx/?taken-by=julianaharkavy&hl=en

Definitely won't be a one episode thing lol. They start shooting soon so it'll probably hold for majority of the season.

Nice!

 

[Primal Slayer]

I meant, would there be an episode where she's like "The other Canaries were blonde, I should be too" and they actually make a plot point out of her hair color for that episode (before, like you said, her having it blonde for the rest of the season), or if it would just change to blonde with no explanation.

Oooh. Idk, I doubt they'll address it. Would seem a little weird for her to actually dye her hair to pay homage lol.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

True, but to me I think it'd be weird if, say, in 6x02 she's brunette and suddenly in 6x03 she's blonde for no reason. But hey, weirder stuff has happened (Oliver's facial hair changed in 1x21 several times because he was clean-shaven in the flashbacks and you could tell when they filmed present day scenes because sometimes he was almost clean-shaven and sometimes he was more stubbly). At least hair color change would be consistent; she wouldn't be bouncing from blonde to brunette and back again.

 

[marvelrobbins]

What are you basing this on, if I may ask? Most comments I have seen online about her have been praise.

most arrow fans want katie cassidy as the carnay on the show.it so obvious showrunners were forced by higher ups to bring katie fully back.

 

[Primal Slayer]

True, but to me I think it'd be weird if, say, in 6x02 she's brunette and suddenly in 6x03 she's blonde for no reason. But hey, weirder stuff has happened (Oliver's facial hair changed in 1x21 several times because he was clean-shaven in the flashbacks and you could tell when they filmed present day scenes because sometimes he was almost clean-shaven and sometimes he was more stubbly). At least hair color change would be consistent; she wouldn't be bouncing from blonde to brunette and back again.

You have to remember that 5 months will have passed for everyone, she'll be suited up out of the blue most likely. Filming started at the end of next week so we'll only see her as a brunette in the island flashback if they show it.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

You have to remember that 5 months will have passed for everyone, she'll be suited up out of the blue most likely. Filming started at the end of next week so we'll only see her as a brunette in the island flashback if they show it.

True, makes sense.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I could feel the memes coming with that costume.

 

[Slade W]

most arrow fans want katie cassidy as the carnay on the show.

I am sure she does have a bigger following, but she has had far more time on the show to amass that following than Dinah has had. Saying "most people" want her back as BC is a big claim though, IMO. Do most people even care anymore? Have most people not moved on, especially after the last season being a strong one? Could you please provide a link to a site where I can see an amount of posters significant enough in size to be called "most people" still saying they want Laurel back?

Seeing as we are going by what "most fans want" and not just what you want personally, I think it is fair to bring up that, going by evidence that I am aware of, Laurel spent most of her time on the show as a character most people wanted Sara to replace:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/08/usd-poll-who-should-become-arrows.html

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=474673

Going by evidence that I am aware of, she was also most peoples least favourite character and the character people wanted to be killed off.

http://imgur.com/a/rlaFp#0 (this was a poll conducted on reddit in Arrow season 3 that has a large number of voters, and as you can see, Laurel had by far the least amount of votes in her category).

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/02/usd-poll-who-is-your-least-favorite.html


Those last two polls are from the end of season 3, so for 3 seasons, going by most evidence that I am aware of, she was the shows most hated character. The writers did a bad job with her and never knew what to do with her. It was only in season 4, when things changed. Going by those polls, it shows that opinion can change, so it can happen for Dinah too. If we are going by what "most people" want, Dinah, from my experience reading comments online, has already being better handled by the writers, as I have not come across anywhere near as many people wanting her to be killed as I did Laurel in the early seasons (apart from a large number of Laurel fans who hate her). I should add that I like Laurel more than Dinah Drake, and think that Laurel was the better character, even during the early seasons, but the writers had to appeal to more than just me during that time.

There is no proof that the writers could have consistently made her likeable like they did in season 4, as they struggle to write characters consistently in general, but especially with Laurel. They struggled with her the most.

It also seems to me they may have struggled to consistently make her likeable without shoving Felicity and her family down everyone's throats at the same time and having them take all the heat, like they did in season 4, or without them killing her off, which no doubt gained the character a lot of sympathy.

it so obvious showrunners were forced by higher ups to bring katie fully back.

What makes you say this?

 

[Paradox1]

I also believe the higher ups wanted Katie back. Like Geoff Johns said if you don't understand that Oliver Queen loves Dinah Laurel Lance. You really don't understand the Green Arrow.

 

[Avenging Angel]

How about #NoLaurelNoArrow when they entrusted the show in Guggenheim's smarmy fingers? They killed off the better written female character on their show to prop up a ship to appease a tyrannical fandom. I'm pretty sure that was and still is a strong indication that most people wanted Laurel on the show when they wrote her at her best. Felicity was and still is the weakest link who is still obsessed with Oliver. As long as she stays away from Oliver, Arrow has a chance. You can fault Laurel for many things, but she wasn't nearly as hated as Felicity was in Season 3-4.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Laurel death was so unnecsary.and not all olicity fans wanted her dead.her death was stupid and is having a new bc.so clear higher ups forced Guggenheim to bring in black swan as regular character.

 

[Pennywise]

TVLine is reporting that a new big bad is coming to S6 and the tease is it's someone that has been on everyone's wishlist. Onomatopoeia?

http://tvline.com/2017/06/29/flash-season-4-spoilers-barry-iris-time-jump/

Sorry if this was already posted.

 

[Slade W]

How about #NoLaurelNoArrow when they entrusted the show in Guggenheim's smarmy fingers? I'm pretty sure that was and still is a strong indication that most people wanted Laurel on the show when they wrote her at her best.

A year ago when there were far more people using it, yes. There is nowhere near enough people using that for it to suggest "most people" care anymore. I am not saying that if Laurel was brought back as BC that they would be unhappy, and I am sure more people prefer her to Dinah ATM, due to being more familiar with Laurel. I am questioning whether "most people" care or feel strongly about it anymore. So far, I haven't been provided any evidence that they do. From my experience reading comments online, it seems to me that while they would perhaps prefer Laurel due to being more familiar with her, people are happy for them to continue with Dinah.

How They killed off the better written female character on their show to prop up a ship to appease a tyrannical fandom. Felicity was and still is the weakest link who is still obsessed with Oliver.

I agree that Laurel was the better character. I found her and her journey much more interesting than anything done with Felicity on the show. I think Katie is a stronger actress than Emily too, especially when it comes to emotional scenes.

However, that is just my opinion. Felicity is the only character on Arrow to transcend the show, or at the very least is the character that has come closest to doing so. The poll in the link below had over 1800 voters, with the people voting being Hollywood professionals, including actors, writers, directors an others. They were asked who their favourite fictional female character was. There were 50 places and Felicity finished 15th. I am not aware of Laurel or any other Arrow character making such a list on a site as respected as The Hollywood Reporter. It isn't just fans that Felicity has made an impact with. Whoever is the better character is subjective, but Felicity is the character that has made the bigger impact.

For THR's latest intra-industry poll, the editors asked Hollywood professionals — actors, writers, directors and others — to take an online survey of their favorite fictional female characters. More than 1,800 participated — twice as many women as men

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...uno-juno-50-favorite-female-characters-951484

As long as she stays away from Oliver, Arrow has a chance. You can fault Laurel for many things, but she wasn't nearly as hated as Felicity was in Season 3-4.

http://imgur.com/a/rlaFp#0 (this was a poll conducted on reddit in Arrow at the end of season 3 that has a large number of voters, and as you can see, Laurel had by far the least amount of votes in her category).

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/02/usd-poll-who-is-your-least-favorite.html

Those two polls are from the end of Arrow season 3, and as you can see, Laurel is clearly the least favourite character in both of them. I agree with you, however, that Felicity was more hated than Laurel ever was in season 4. That is how it seemed to me too, from reading comments online.