Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 28

[flickchick85]

Also, this is clearly a backdoor pilot for a Gotham-based show, right? Like, they’ve probably been dying to do one but had to wait until Gotham was finished, and now’s their window. Maybe Birds of Prey with Batwoman in place of Batgirl.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Looks like the announcement is that Batwoman is coming. I'm genuinely curious how they'll introduce Gotham City proper and how they'll differentiate it from Gotham which, being a prequel show, probably wouldn't introduce Batwoman anyway, so it's probably fair game.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/17/cw-superhero-crossover-batwoman/

The CW will host another superhero crossover event this fall, but this time they’ll be introducing the character of Batwoman into the fold.

Arrow star Stephen Amell made the announcement at The CW’s upfront presentation on Thursday. “We’re incredibly excited to announce that we’ll be doing another crossover event this fall on the CW, and we’ll be introducing a new character,” Amell said. “For the very first time appearing, we’ll be fighting alongside Batwoman, which is terrific. The crossover is going to make it to air in December. I need to leave right now and start filming it.”

“We are adding the city of Gotham into the Arrowverse,” CW boss Mark Pedowitz added. “This will be another full-throttled action packed event.”

Well, that'll get me to give Arrow another try.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I think we can count on a Batwoman tv series at this point. And bet on some of the Batfamily showing up. It’s perfect timing considering how Gotham is ending

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

They are probably allowed to use Batman characters due to Gotham ending next year.

Very possible Arrow ends too, and they replace it with a Batwoman show. Arrow's actors signed seven year deals so it makes sense. For the show to continue, WB would have to sign everyone to more expensive contracts. Not impossible (they do it every year for Supernatural) but probably cheaper to replace it with a new DC show.

Also, this is clearly a backdoor pilot for a Gotham-based show, right? Like, they’ve probably been dying to do one but had to wait until Gotham was finished, and now’s their window. Maybe Birds of Prey with Batwoman in place of Batgirl.

This all seems to make sense.

 

[Rorschach2012]

**** yeah I can’t wait to see the Arrowverse’s take on Gotham City

Who knows? Maybe Titans will be in the Arrowverse? Then their Nightwing could pop up on the Batwoman series. Roy, Wally and Slade would already be established as well

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, this would be my preferred way of doing things. Bruce Wayne may have been established in Ollie Queen's universe, but Batman hasn't.

It would make much more sense if the Bat family were to come from Supergirl's universe, given how much of Batman's canon has been nicked by Arrow over the years. A universe with Superman and Batman in makes more sense, than trying to crowbar Batman into the Flarrow universe.

Yeah, since they basically established that there’s no Oliver Queen in Supergirl’s universe (or at least, she’s not familiar with him) while there IS a Bruce Wayne/Batman, I’ve pretty much developed a headcanon that the Green Arrow is Earth-1’s Batman, while their Bruce Wayne is just an a-hole billionaire, and on Earth-38, Bruce Wayne became Batman while the whole Queen family died at sea many years ago or something, which is why Batman and Green Arrow share storylines/villains, lol. Setting this Gotham crossover on Earth-38 would totally satisfy my headcanon.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

**** yeah I can’t wait to see the Arrowverse’s take on Gotham City

Who knows? Maybe Titans will be in the Arrowverse? Then their Nightwing could pop up on the Batwoman series. Roy, Wally and Slade would already be established as well

This all sounds good!

 

[Grommers]

Yeah - a bat woman tv show makes a lot of sense, completely different angle than super girl, making her much darker, and as a female lead, is a show they haven't done yet.

Needless to say I won't watch it as I only watch Arrow now out of the entire CW Universe, but good on em for giving the character a shot.

 

[The Shape]

A Batwoman TV-series without Batman makes even less sense than Fox's Gotham series without Batman.

I like the idea of including her in this universe for the crossover event and subsequent appearances down the lines, but I don't think a series makes sense without properly throwing Batman into the mix -- especially for the sake of her origin.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

A Batwoman TV-series without Batman makes even less sense than Fox's Gotham series without Batman.

I like the idea of including her in this universe for the crossover event and subsequent appearances down the lines, but I don't think a series makes sense without properly throwing Batman into the mix -- especially for the sake of her origin.

Have to admit I was also wondering how they'd handle her origin if she does get a full series of her own.

 

[SV Fan]

I personally like the move to Mondays. As an casual sports watcher Thursday Nights generally have more going on then Mondays so now my Thursday Nights are relatively free(save Superstore on NBC). My guess though is that changes once Football ends and Gotham and Orville come back

 

[Flash525]

This could get a bit silly, especially given how much Arrow has stolen from Batman over the years. But, I’m interested in seeing how they handle it.

To be fair, whilst it's true that Arrow has taken a lot of Batman material, there's equally a lot of Batman material that they haven't used; Riddler, Penguin, Joker, Scarecrow.

Gotham also exists Supergirl's universe, so essentially there's 2 Gothams.

There is a version of both Gotham, and Bruce Wayne (and likely in turn, Batman) on at least two Earth's. Ours, and Kara's.

Also, this is clearly a backdoor pilot for a Gotham-based show, right? Like, they’ve probably been dying to do one but had to wait until Gotham was finished, and now’s their window. Maybe Birds of Prey with Batwoman in place of Batgirl.

I'm not convinced that it is, at least not until Arrow is wrapped up. Having two vigilante shows run at the same time ... especially with the other CW Superhero shows already in the mix (along with Titans soon coming up). Might be a bit much.

If Arrow wraps at Season 7, then maybe, but I doubt we'll see a Gotham show on the CW at the same time until then.

Yeah, since they basically established that there’s no Oliver Queen in Supergirl’s universe (or at least, she’s not familiar with him) while there IS a Bruce Wayne/Batman, I’ve pretty much developed a headcanon that the Green Arrow is Earth-1’s Batman, while their Bruce Wayne is just an a-hole billionaire, and on Earth-38, Bruce Wayne became Batman while the whole Queen family died at sea many years ago or something, which is why Batman and Green Arrow share storylines/villains, lol. Setting this Gotham crossover on Earth-38 would totally satisfy my headcanon.

This actually makes a fair amount of sense.

Batman / Bruce Wayne is Earth 38's Masked Vigilante
Arrow / Oliver Queen is Earth 1's Masked Vigilante

Furthermore, this Batwoman doesn't actually need to be directly linked to Gotham and/or Batman if they (the writers) don't want it. We know that lore and background has, and can be changed for characters, so they may alter hers.

Edit: I've just read that she's a lesbian (at least, one of her incarnations is). I swear if they have a romantic scene between her and Sara Lance I'm going to be annoyed; that element of Sara and supporting characters has been seriously overplayed). Alex (Supergirl) likes girls too, but you don't see her jumping into bed with them all.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

There's obviously a ton of stuff over the web following the Batwoman announcement but this IGN article (plus the 90 or so comments!) is pretty interesting, making the case for how Batman existing on Ollie's Earth is problematic compared to his existing on Kara's (or yet another) Earth...

WHY BATWOMAN CREATES NEW PROBLEMS FOR THE ARROWVERSE

From the very beginning, one of the biggest questions surrounding Arrow and its various spinoffs has been whether Batman exists in this version of the DC Universe. There's been an increasing amount of evidence over the years, but confirmation finally arrived with the news that the next Arrowverse crossover will introduce both Gotham City and Batwoman. We still may not actually see Batman on these shows, but at this point there's little doubt he exists in the Arrowverse.

That's great news, but it also has some disadvantages. Openly acknowledging the existence of Batman will force Arrow and the other "Arrowverse" shows to answer some difficult questions. Here are just a few problem areas...

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2018/05/17/why-batwoman-creates-new-problems-for-the-arrowverse

 

[Primal Slayer]

They would probably handle BW the same way they handled Supergirl. He exists but some of his villains simply don't belong to him and they investigate separately just like in the comics.

 

[FunkMiller]

There's obviously a ton of stuff over the web following the Batwoman announcement but this IGN article (plus the 90 or so comments!) is pretty interesting, making the case for how Batman existing on Ollie's Earth is problematic compared to his existing on Kara's (or yet another) Earth...

It certainly makes zero sense to suddenly have Batman and the rest of the family turn up on the same Earth as Ollie and Barry. As that article states, it would just make Ollie seem like some kind of Batman fanboy, who has copied all of Bruce's moves. It'd make him seem a little bit pathetic. I can't imagine Amell would want to see his character suddenly effectively playing second fiddle to the 'proper' masked vigilante, so I'm hoping for some multiverse shenanigans... which would make far more sense, and wouldn't undermine the last six years of TV.

Let's face it, you introduce the big dog into the pound, and everyone else ends up looking like a *****.

 

[brandeezy89]

I think Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger are shoe ins for Longbow Hunter members

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

It certainly makes zero sense to suddenly have Batman and the rest of the family turn up on the same Earth as Ollie and Barry. As that article states, it would just make Ollie seem like some kind of Batman fanboy, who has copied all of Bruce's moves. It'd make him seem a little bit pathetic. I can't imagine Amell would want to see his character suddenly effectively playing second fiddle to the 'proper' masked vigilante, so I'm hoping for some multiverse shenanigans... which would make far more sense, and wouldn't undermine the last six years of TV.

Let's face it, you introduce the big dog into the pound, and everyone else ends up looking like a *****.

Yes, if Batman ever did become a physical presence in the Arrowverse shows, and even if he only showed up onscreen as much as Superman has, I don't see how they could avoid that undermining Ollie.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I think Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger are shoe ins for Longbow Hunter members

Lady Shiva is coming to Gotham next season so I doubt it.

 

[DoomRulz]

I'm very late to the party, literally started S6 an hour ago and currently firing up episode two. The Bruce Wayne name drop had me freaking out. Between that, the announcement of Batwoman making her screen debut soon, the Oracle reference from season five, and this article, I swear, at this point? Amell's practically begging the network to bring Batman into the fold. MAKE IT HAPPEN ALREADY!!!

 

[Hunter Rider]

I expected the Supermax prison that Oliver was put into at the end to be much more high tech looking, something to really visually pop the ending, but it just looked like a regular prison.

I had read a rumour that Diaz was going to carry over into season 7 but I was still a bit surprised that he has. Kirk Acevedo has been great in the role bringing a lot inensity, physicality and menace, but I am only ok with him being used again because he's bringing the Longbow Hunters with him, the interesting thing is he spoke to Anatoly like he already had them with him but they were nowhere to be seen, Can't wait to get a look at their designs.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Not based on the show's version but I thought some fans might be interested in this amazing new statue from Sideshow.

 

[Primal Slayer]

So those are some great looking statues!

I think to the writers this was Diaz's "island" and next season he will be full on Dragon.

Amell said that he will have the classic goatee while Oliver is prison so it'll be interesting to see how it looks on him.

And we might get yet another new costume for him.

 

[Pennywise]

Arrow's season six finale took the long-running The CW series into uncharted territory, and it sounds like a new character could play a part in that.

The series' star, Stephen Amell, recently teased what fans can expect in the upcoming seventh season during a panel at Motor City Comic Con. Shortly after revealing that Oliver Queen will sport his iconic goatee in some form or fashion, Amell hinted that the series will also debut some sort of new character.

“We’re also debuting a new character, who, when I heard about it, I just got goosebumps." Amell revealed. "I’m so excited.”

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/20/arrow-season-7-new-characters-stephen-amell-the-cw/

Wonder who this character could be?

 

[Flash525]

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/20/arrow-season-7-new-characters-stephen-amell-the-cw/

Wonder who this character could be?

Pretty sure that' in response to Batwoman.

 

[Pennywise]

Pretty sure that' in response to Batwoman.

True!