Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 5

[Loki882]

And his stupid retcon of ice's origins (evil thieving gypsies Judd, REALLY, could you possibly get more stereotypical and offensive than that)?

 

[Fans of Reilly]

And his stupid retcon of ice's origins (evil thieving gypsies Judd, REALLY, could you possibly get more stereotypical and offensive than that)?

if we mention all the bad decision he did we will take a long timet:

 

[Loki882]

Talia al Ghul sleeping with 18 year old Jason Todd just to piss Bruce off because he killed her father (even though Ra's was alive at the time). Batman/Catwoman semi-pornographic sex scene in new 52. Ollie/Dinah forty hour romp in the sack (GA #74) complete with chili. Having Huntress sleep with Arsenal (Outsiders) just to make him look cool and be the butt of a joke between Roy and Nightwing. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, there are many more (he can't right romance to save his life).

 

[Hunter Rider]

Set pics........ Tommy's grave.

 

[mr. peasant]

Guessin' that ain't the funeral. And is that a button on the back of Oliver's/Amell's collar?! Why does he have a button on the back of shirt?!

Frikkin' hipster.

 

[Loki882]

I guess that Oliver/Laurel are still a couple (she kissed him). I thought that Tommy's death, and the fact that he died saving Laurel's life, would push them apart because of mutual guilt. Also, do we think that Tommy dying could push Laurel further towards becoming Black Canary?

 

[DrDoom]

Oliver probably made a promise at Tommy's gravestone to stay away from Dinah, then left the graveyard and headed to her house to have the sex

 

[DigificWriter]

I just finished Muse of Fire and Vendetta and have started on Year's End, but after the lengthy commentary I put forth on Damaged and Legacies, I'm going to try to keep things much shorter this time.

I don't know about anyone else, but I really like this show's take on The Huntress; the only other version of the character I'm familiar with is the one from The WB's Birds of Prey (where she was Helena Wayne), but I liked this version of the character because she's effectively Oliver's antithesis, which makes for a really great 'yin and yang' scenario and an excellent way to explore the many complexities of what Oliver's quest actually means. Her two-episode arc in Muse of Fire and Vendetta was really well-handled, and made me want to see what happens once she comes back later on.

I really like this burgeoning 'thing' between Tommy and Laurel; it gives both characters an interesting arc beyond the things that were established for them in the first 6 episodes of the season, and both Katie Cassidy and Colin Donnell have really good chemistry together. The confrontation between Tommy and his father in Muse of Fire was also great, adding some nice depth to both characters and establishing Malcolm as more than just the 'guy who's in cahoots with Moira'.

I'm not very far into Year's End, but I'm having a hard time figuring out why anybody would be upset by the show's lampshading the name Green Arrow. When you actually sit down and think about it, that codename IS rather lame, especially when looked at in a real-world context, and I personally got a kick out of the whole exchange.

 

[Loki882]

I don't like that they made Helena such and out and out psychopath. I see the Huntress as violent and willing to kill (hence why she is often at odds with Batman), but also compassionate to the innocent and with a code of honor. This Huntress is just a psycho who I want to see get an arrow through the brain. Since I love comic Helena, this is not a good thing.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I guess that Oliver/Laurel are still a couple (she kissed him). I thought that Tommy's death, and the fact that he died saving Laurel's life, would push them apart because of mutual guilt. Also, do we think that Tommy dying could push Laurel further towards becoming Black Canary?

I would think so, she may want to take more control over protecting the vulnerable people of Star City in the wake of what was essentially a terrorist attack.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't like that they made Helena such and out and out psychopath. I see the Huntress as violent and willing to kill (hence why she is often at odds with Batman), but also compassionate to the innocent and with a code of honor. This Huntress is just a psycho who I want to see get an arrow through the brain. Since I love comic Helena, this is not a good thing.

Hmm. I personally think that with a show like this, you really need to be able to separate one version of the character from other versions of the character.

Also, in a world that is as 'grounded' as this take on Green Arrow and other characters is, having Helena's need for revenge having basically consumed her and turned her into an 'avenging angel' actually makes a whole lot of sense and is very much a great way to use her character to contrast what Oliver is doing. As she says at the end of Muse of Fire, she and Oliver ARE very similar; the only difference is that Oliver's doing what he's doing out of a sense of obligation tinged with a bit of guilt, while Helena's doing it purely out of hatred towards her father and his associates.

Something else that makes the show's take on Huntress work is that, by characterizing her the way they have, they've created a way to introduce a Batman/Catwoman character dynamic into the Green Arrow mythos, which is actually rather fitting given the myriad of other similarities between the two characters (Batman and GA).

 

[Loki882]

Except that Catwoman was never this extreme or vicious. It took Black Mask feeding her sister Maggie her husband's eyeballs and driving her insane to get Selina to kill him. Also, I'm fine with changes to the source material if they work, and I don't think this works. Helena at this point is almost totally beyond redemption (which would make it very difficult for her to team up with other heroes) and I don't like that. They should have used a character like Tarantula, not the Huntress. Also, the whole Catholic angle with the Huntress doesn't work in this show either

 

[b_boy]

I would think so, she may want to take more control over protecting the vulnerable people of Star City in the wake of what was essentially a terrorist attack.

Also in the pictures her hair looks more blondish, hope that is a sign that they are pushing her towards Black Canary!

 

[Herolee10]

Oliver probably made a promise at Tommy's gravestone to stay away from Dinah, then left the graveyard and headed to her house to have the sex

You'd think that Oliver and Laurel would at least have the decency to not show up together at Tommy's grave, especially Oliver, who knows that Tommy saw him and Laurel having sex while he was on his way to reconcile with her, as instructed by Oliver himself.

This show does make it hard at times to make Oliver into a likable person.

Frankly, he comes off as more likable in the island flashbacks since he at least looks like he's trying to become a better man, where in the present, he just appears as a hypocritical jackass who knows how to fight now.

 

[gohei_]

You'd think that Oliver and Laurel would at least have the decency to not show up together at Tommy's grave, especially Oliver, who knows that Tommy saw him and Laurel having sex while he was on his way to reconcile with her, as instructed by Oliver himself.

This show does make it hard at times to make Oliver into a likable person.

Frankly, he comes off as more likable in the island flashbacks since he at least looks like he's trying to become a better man, where in the present, he just appears as a hypocritical jackass who knows how to fight now.

Totally agree, sometimes he makes the most stupidest decisions and you can't help but dislike him. Maybe this is their plan so they can make him a better man and turn him into a real hero instead of just a vigilante.

 

[Herolee10]

Totally agree, sometimes he makes the most stupidest decisions and you can't help but dislike him. Maybe this is their plan so they can make him a better man and turn him into a real hero instead of just a vigilante.

Yeah, which is probably why they haven't allowed him to obtain the name "Green Arrow", because Oliver doesn't really deserve that "title" in my opinion yet, both as a hero and as a person.

From what I saw of Season 1, Oliver is still the self centered person that he was before he was stranded on the island. The only differences now is that he knows how to fight, along with the fact that like someone from Oliver's crew pointed out, probably Diggie, the only reason why Oliver is doing all of this vigilante thing was because the very thought of surviving the island, the way that he did for 5 years, was due to him being haunted by his father's dying wishes.

Oliver still has a LONG way to go before he becomes a hero since he's more of an anti-hero, a hero out of necessity and not out of want.

 

[Loki882]

I don't see him as the same person. I think that he has become so obsessed with the "mission" that he has trouble taking other people's concerns into account. It's understandable given what happened on the island, but also problematic. That's why he needs Felicity and Diggle (and potentially Roy/Thea) there in order to reel him in. If he didn't care, then he wouldn't have reacted to Tommy's death the way he did ("it should have been me").

 

[DigificWriter]

Oliver is determined, single-minded, and stubborn, qualities that are both a positive and a negative, which is why having people with whom he can share his secrets is so important; those people can keep him from becoming so attached to the mission that he loses himself completely.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[DarkSovereignty]

It looks glorious. Can't wait for season 2.

 

[Herolee10]

They're also saying that a new character is coming in that's supposed to serve as Laurel's new boss, something similar to Harvey Dent's character. Now assuming if that character is portrayed as a young guy, then it's safe to say that we can expect another love triangle on our hands.

If that turns out to be the case, it sucks to say that Arrow's version of Canary is like equivalent to Smallville's version of Lana: A useless character who's only purpose on the show is to be in love triangles.

 

[Sawyer]

Except, unlike Lana, she has a direction that is something other than "away from Clark Kent".

 

[Project862006]

so when will we get the boxing glove arrow

 

[Loki882]

Laurel's direction involves blonde hair, a black leather costume, fishnets, and a motorcycle (and lots of ass-kicking). Lana direction was into my most hated tv characters of all time list (thank god that Chloe and Lois were so likeable).

 

[HighFivingMF]

so when will we get the boxing glove arrow

All of the writers want to work it in. I hope it's the last arrow he uses to defeat the last villain in the last episode of the last season.