Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 6

[Crossvale]

I mean he gives her space because he thinks that she's still in love with Oliver (and vice versa) and doesn't want to stand in between them, and when she's trying to Oliver to help her with her problem with Tommy, Oliver tells her that Tommy is right, and then she puts everything on hold and when Tommy goes to reconcile with Laurel, she ends up screwing Oliver who conveniently came a few minutes earlier to confess that he was still in love with her.

Because he thinks, did he consult laurel about what she wanted to do or what she was feeling. People may only see the he is being so selfless side but he is also being selfish, he is making decisions for another adult and doesnt even have the decency to her the truth either until she had to beg the truth out of him. She begged for Tommy for them to work it out many times and he was reluctant . But look who gets the blame for the break up and for not wanting to work things out.

Not that I agree with the quick hook with Oliver but Laurel was a free agent and free to do what she pleases. She didnt break the relationship and not like she didnt try to talk to Tommy who gave her the cold shoulder each time. When he finally wanted to he was seconds too late, not laurel's fault, you cant just expect everyone to do things at your own pace and time. Oliver goes and sleeps with laurel confessing his love, seconds after he told to work it out with her and didnt tell Laurel that either, does he get the blame no, its all laurel's fault. Why is she the only character accountable in all this, they all adults making their own decisions and actions.

Plus, most of her scenes as far as I can remember are always so angst filled, which is a stark contrast to the likes of Felicity who was probably the only female character in Season 1 to have the most joy in her life since she didn't have any chaotic thing going on in her personal life, thus people being able to enjoy her presence on the show.

If the plan was to portrayal Laurel as the love of Oliver's life, as the one that he'd end up with someday, I think it would have been better to have introduced Laurel as a new person in Oliver's life like they did with Felicity instead of jumping into the drama right away, so that it'd give the character a chance to be loved by the fans.

Its the love interest or the superhero gf curse, new or not, she will still have been thrown some angst and melodrama. Not know the hero's secret know until 5th season etc.

People will still have liked Felicity more for the obvious reasons similar characters like her are usually popular with fandom.

 

[Dark Raven]

So I haven't been following the development of this Black Canary character they're introducing into the show now in Season 2 played by Caily Lotz. Who is she meant to be exactly? I thought Laurel is eventually meant to be BC. Are they backtracking from that now?

 

[Nathan]

Not trying to spoil who the Black Canary is, but she is supposed to be the first Black Canary. And Laurel will eventually take over as the new Black Canary. Though I personally hope that they scratch that idea and just keep the first Canary around.

 

[Herolee10]

Because he thinks, did he consult laurel about what she wanted to do or what she was feeling. People may only see the he is being so selfless side but he is also being selfish, he is making decisions for another adult and doesnt even have the decency to her the truth either until she had to beg the truth out of him. She begged for Tommy for them to work it out many times and he was reluctant . But look who gets the blame for the break up and for not wanting to work things out.

Not that I agree with the quick hook with Oliver but Laurel was a free agent and free to do what she pleases. She didnt break the relationship and not like she didnt try to talk to Tommy who gave her the cold shoulder each time. When he finally wanted to he was seconds too late, not laurel's fault, you cant just expect everyone to do things at your own pace and time. Oliver goes and sleeps with laurel confessing his love, seconds after he told to work it out with her and didnt tell Laurel that either, does he get the blame no, its all laurel's fault. Why is she the only character accountable in all this, they all adults making their own decisions and actions.

Well, it's debatable for some regarding that messy love triangle issue, but even when you put the romantic department aside, Laurel hasn't really provided anything else regarding her contribution to the series so far.

I mean, Felicity has been allowed to get more involved with the main plot of last season and she wasn't even intended to be such a large character for the show at first.

All Laurel's been written to do is get involved in angst filled scenarios regarding her family or love life, or even become the hostage/damsel in distress that Oliver's needed to save.

 

[Nathan]

My only problem is that she comes off like a ditz. If they wouldn't have written her as a woman, that is still in love with the guy that cheated on her with her own little sister, and went on a boat trip that led to her death, I wouldn't dislike her nearly as much.

I think it was really a mistake to give her a similar arc like Oliver. To show her as a regular person, that slowly transforms into this super hero persona. When I think of Black Canary, I think of a strong and independent woman, who knows what she wants and doesn't deal with all this angst and relationship drama bull****.

 

[Herolee10]

My only problem is that she comes off like a ditz. If they wouldn't have written her as a woman, that is still in love with the guy that cheated on her with her own little sister, and went on a boat trip that led to her death, I wouldn't dislike her nearly as much.

I think it was really a mistake to give her a similar arc like Oliver. To show her as a regular person, that slowly transforms into this super hero persona. When I think of Black Canary, I think of a strong and independent woman, who knows what she wants and doesn't deal with all this angst and relationship drama bull****.

Agreed; I mean Oliver will always have issues with women, especially when it comes to commitment, despite now living a life filled with responsibilities as a costumed hero.

But I've never recalled hearing about Black Canary being this angst filled, let alone being the type to allow herself to be in this position.

 

[regnak]

Agreed; I mean Oliver will always have issues with women, especially when it comes to commitment, despite now living a life filled with responsibilities as a costumed hero.

But I've never recalled hearing about Black Canary being this angst filled, let alone being the type to allow herself to be in this position.

It's because of the CW, it's what they do. If the Olicity fans were to get their way they(the writers) will just have to figure out something equally bad for her and Oliver to angst about.

 

[Crossvale]

Well, it's debatable for some regarding that messy love triangle issue, but even when you put the romantic department aside, Laurel hasn't really provided anything else regarding her contribution to the series so far.

I mean, Felicity has been allowed to get more involved with the main plot of last season and she wasn't even intended to be such a large character for the show at first.

All Laurel's been written to do is get involved in angst filled scenarios regarding her family or love life, or even become the hostage/damsel in distress that Oliver's needed to save.

And I take it her role as a lawyer doesn't count at all right.
What about Tommy what did he contribute to the series other than being the third part in love triangle. What did Thea, other than being Ollie's brat little sis and a love interest for roy. Why is that Laurel is the only target., when this more than just about her character but the show's writing which needs to work on developing and inter grating its own characters into the story.

Felicity is in the stereotypical role that usually gets to know the hero's secret and be his sidekick tech girl pal so its not like it was that hard to do to intergrate her main plot, and that valued more obviously but what about her back story or other personal development , nearly nonexistant. Just being the hood pet and involved in main arc isn't good for her character anymore the hyper focus on Laurel as a love interest. Characters need to be well rounded and 3d.

 

[Project862006]

i hate how laurel has been written katie cassidy has tons of charisma but she is given a blank generic character

just watch her as ruby on supernatural she was one of my fav. characters on that show

 

[Nathan]

I just hope they do a better job with the women this season. I think I only like 2. Felicity for obvious reasons, and Oliver's mom. And it's not like I really like the mother, she simply hasn't been written as annoying as the rest of the females. She was pretty much forced to work with Malcolm, did all she could to keep her family safe, and even when she sold out Frank, I didn't hate her for it. If she didn't, Malcolm would have figured out that the two conspired against him, and he would have murdered both families.

Man, they even turned Huntress into a completely unlikable psycho b**ch, with no redeeming qualities. She'll kill civilians and Police Officers, to accomplish her goal.

 

[Primal Slayer]

That's why the writers should've just came up with a new character to be Ollies love interest or use Bonnie King instead of taking a very independent/strong character and making her into your common love interest.

Man, they even turned Huntress into a completely unlikable psycho b**ch, with no redeeming qualities. She'll kill civilians and Police Officers, to accomplish her goal.

I hope they start bringing her more towards Gail Simons adaption of the character.

 

[Shikamaru]

Part of the problem with the Huntress was that the actress was miscast IMO. I don't think her acting is that good, especially not when he is supposed to be angry. I would have went with someone else for the role.

 

[king666]

Part of the problem with the Huntress was that the actress was miscast IMO. I don't think her acting is that good, especially not when he is supposed to be angry. I would have went with someone else for the role.

Agreed.

 

[Paradox1]

Agreed; I mean Oliver will always have issues with women, especially when it comes to commitment, despite now living a life filled with responsibilities as a costumed hero.

But I've never recalled hearing about Black Canary being this angst filled, let alone being the type to allow herself to be in this position.

You'd be wrong to believe BC is someone who doesn't put up with Oliver's ******** in the comics. Their relationship in the comics has always been off and on. Oliver has not one but two kids with other women and Dinah has been married before. The point of their relationship is these two people are in love with each other and always will be.

 

[Loki882]

Laurel and Huntress were the only female characters who I really had issues with in season 1. Felicity, Shado, Thea, Moira, McKenna, I liked them all for one reason or another.

 

[Human Torch]

"Give me one reason why I shouldn't let my boy,Bronze Tiger,pull your head off?"

 

[Human Torch]

I've been going through the first season again in anticipation of season 2,and good gosh,some of the soap stuff in the beginning of the season is tough to get through.I hope they back off a bit in the future.

 

[RetroNaz]

I've been going through the first season again in anticipation of season 2,and good gosh,some of the soap stuff in the beginning of the season is tough to get through.I hope they back off a bit in the future.

Could be a little challenging, particularly when you factor in the audience that the CW is trying to capture as well as the many hours of television they need to film. It can't all be action and witty one liners.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Just because it is on the CW doesn't automatically mean that it nees to have as much soap as it does. Supernatural has gone 8 years with very minor soap events such as love triangles and all that jazz.

 

[Herolee10]

And I take it her role as a lawyer doesn't count at all right.
What about Tommy what did he contribute to the series other than being the third part in love triangle. What did Thea, other than being Ollie's brat little sis and a love interest for roy. Why is that Laurel is the only target., when this more than just about her character but the show's writing which needs to work on developing and inter grating its own characters into the story.

Felicity is in the stereotypical role that usually gets to know the hero's secret and be his sidekick tech girl pal so its not like it was that hard to do to intergrate her main plot, and that valued more obviously but what about her back story or other personal development , nearly nonexistant. Just being the hood pet and involved in main arc isn't good for her character anymore the hyper focus on Laurel as a love interest. Characters need to be well rounded and 3d.

I never said that Laurel was the only character with issues on the show. And I think Tommy was able to contribute more due to the very facts that he was allowed to discover Oliver's secret and was the son of Malcom, who was the main antagonist for Season 1.

And I can't remember a time when her role as a lawyer was the thing that was mainly focused on rather than it being used as a tool of just highlighting her relationship with Oliver.

And Laurel hasn't been written to be in any situations where she's allowed to just have fun and no angst for awhile. There's always angst for her. To be honest, I actually liked her character a little more when Oliver's relationship with her wasn't a highlight, which took place primarily in the middle part of the season.

 

[Loki882]

Tommy also went through a pronounced character arc and grew as a person of the course of the season. He was apparently a *****e womanizer before Oliver came back. He and Laurel had a "friends with benefits" relationship initially. But he grew, matured, became a better person, and ultimately died saving a woman that he'd come to genuinely love. Laurel hasn't had anything nearly as deep or pronounced as that YET. I'm hoping that Tommy's death will lead to her growing as a character.

 

[Herolee10]

Tommy also went through a pronounced character arc and grew as a person of the course of the season. He was apparently a *****e womanizer before Oliver came back. He and Laurel had a "friends with benefits" relationship initially. But he grew, matured, became a better person, and ultimately died saving a woman that he'd come to genuinely love. Laurel hasn't had anything nearly as deep or pronounced as that YET. I'm hoping that Tommy's death will lead to her growing as a character.

Agreed; but I also hope that they make Oliver a bit more likable this coming season, since he was still somewhat of a *****e when he came back from the island. I mean it's bad enough that he kept encouraging Tommy to go back to Laurel, especially when he knew that what Tommy felt for her was the real thing, but then he makes a move on her soon afterwards just as Tommy was about to make amends with her.

And now, based on set photos, they're kissing each other or having a "moment' over his grave, talk about a slap to the face.

So far, the only thing that Oliver has been able to seemingly prove is that he's still out for himself in a way because everything that he did for the most part was motivated by his own need to either prove or get something done.

 

[InnerWarrior]

I agree that Oliver and his rush to "get it on" with Laurel after telling Tommy to make amends with her was rather strange. I mean even if he thought he no longer had to be the "Hood" he should have waited until after saving the city to do so which would have avoided this whole Laurel and Tommy problem in the first place, but the show needs drama and they chose to have Oliver seem like a *****e to get that drama.

 

[InnerWarrior]

Btw Bronze Tiger is looking awesome!

 

[Spider-Fan83]

aren't the claws more Catman's thing?