Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 6

[Hunter Rider]

Oh yeah; not to mention that many have ended up questioning her intelligence in wondering as to why anyone in her position would still have feelings and go after a person that not only cheated on them for their younger sister, but was also responsible in putting her (little sister) in a position that ultimately led to her death.

Exactly, I mean they made the Ollie/Laurel relationship practically unsalvageable from the get-go with that choice, they should have just had the immature and selfish Ollie cheat on her with a random to purposely drive her away as he was scared to commit, but the whole sister angle means that most people find it hard to buy into her forgiving Ollie at all let alone getting back with him.

Plus, most of her scenes as far as I can remember are always so angst filled, which is a stark contrast to the likes of Felicity who was probably the only female character in Season 1 to have the most joy in her life since she didn't have any chaotic thing going on in her personal life, thus people being able to enjoy her presence on the show.

True, the advantage Felicity has is she was without baggage and pretty much written as the nerd dream girl which really made her stand out from the daddy and boyfriend drama stuff Laurel was mostly about.

If the plan was to portrayal Laurel as the love of Oliver's life, as the one that he'd end up with someday, I think it would have been better to have introduced Laurel as a new person in Oliver's life like they did with Felicity instead of jumping into the drama right away, so that it'd give the character a chance to be loved by the fans.

I don't think them already knowing each other is a big issue, it's the extreme nature and outcome of his cheating along with the way they chose to go about things with Tommy that have killed that as the supposed "endgame" relationship, they should have toned down Ollie's infidelity and then had Laurel be mostly focused on her work in season 1 with just some hints that her and Ollie still had something and that the "new" him was winning her over a bit at a time..

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[RetroNaz]

Deeeelicious.

 

[gohei_]

Oh my.

 

[Herolee10]

On another note, I definitely like on how the people involved with the show are admitting that the Oliver we got in Season 1, was in a sense, a incomplete model/version of who Green Arrow is ultimately supposed to be and that his reasons for "saving the city" weren't exactly noble.

If anything, it seems like Season 1 was Oliver's way of truly confronting his own inner demons in order to move on and become the hero that he'll later be.

Honestly, I'm still wondering on how the superpowers thing is going to affect and come into play for the show.

Given that I'm a big Superman fan, I'm always going to be wondering as to whether the likes of Superman and even batman will now exist somewhere within the Arrow World and whether it'll be the versions that we see on the big screen or some new versions entirely.

It's just hard to imagine seeing a DC world established without some of the big guns existing in it. I mean it's one thing to not be able to show Batman and wonder woman in a world with superman and the rest of the JLA/JSA (where their actual existence was confirmed to be a canon thing with references in Season 10 and with the Season 11 comics), but it's going feel like another thing if they don't exist at all in this world.

 

[InnerWarrior]

The powers thing worries me a bit. After everything they did to make the Arrow world as realistic as it could be, taking notes from Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy, it will be strange to see powers suddenly appear and change the tone of the show in a way. Deathstroke doesn't have the super healing powers he has in the comics, but suddenly a guy like Flash is going to be running around in super speed? Hopefully there is a hyper-realistic way they are going about this instead of just bringing all sorts of powers in the world for the sake of them making a Flash spin-off.

 

[Loki882]

Deathstroke isn't even really Deathstroke yet. Plus, who knows what happened to him in the 5 year time period. There are a number of explanations for superpowers, its not that much of a stretch.

 

[RetroNaz]

I'm not worried about the introduction of super powers per se, but the effects they'll use to convey the powers.

At least with the gritty, realistic style, everything is nice and believable which typically doesn't age the show as much as effects do - on a television budget. Which is quite small compared to some TV shows.

 

[Crossvale]

I never said that Laurel was the only character with issues on the show. And I think Tommy was able to contribute more due to the very facts that he was allowed to discover Oliver's secret and was the son of Malcom, who was the main antagonist for Season 1.

And I can't remember a time when her role as a lawyer was the thing that was mainly focused on rather than it being used as a tool of just highlighting her relationship with Oliver.

And Laurel hasn't been written to be in any situations where she's allowed to just have fun and no angst for awhile. There's always angst for her. To be honest, I actually liked her character a little more when Oliver's relationship with her wasn't a highlight, which took place primarily in the middle part of the season.

Well laurel is the daughter of detective lance who was also kind of an antagonist all season. Tommy knowing the secret was really only for a short time and he spend most of the time demonising Oliver after. For someone who was supposed to be his best friend for so long, his lack of understanding did not reflect well on him as a character. The reveal was used as a tool, Tommy/laurel apart an to make him feel jealous about laurel choosing Oliver if she knew he was the hood, his assumptions of course. It was just another tool for the triangle, how is that any different.

Tommy also went through a pronounced character arc and grew as a person of the course of the season. He was apparently a *****e womanizer before Oliver came back. He and Laurel had a "friends with benefits" relationship initially. But he grew, matured, became a better person, and ultimately died saving a woman that he'd come to genuinely love. Laurel hasn't had anything nearly as deep or pronounced as that YET. I'm hoping that Tommy's death will lead to her growing as a character.

The Tommy that we saw from the pilot wasn't that different from the one we saw season's end imo, he had flushes of being a nice guy and a jerk, he toyed around the two, nice guy/jerk and immature/mature. Its like the writers could never really make up their minds what they wanted him to be, I think the inconsistency was due to the writers changing their minds whether or not he would become the Meryln. He actually ended up becoming the Harry Osborne just without donning the suit. He turned to Mr nice guy and mature when he wanted to have laurel, but the moment he realised he wont be able to have her, would lose her to Ollie he turned to Mr Jerk and regressed to his immature self being nasty to both Oliver and laurel for things that they have not even done (yet), going to work with Malcom knowing the kind of man he is. But of course we are going to kill him let have him find salvation and redemption by saving that woman he was treating like crap a few minutes ago, he just realised it too late he loves her. The writing for Tommy was not great either imo, its was Colin's perfomance that made him a bit sympathetic for me.

 

[Loki882]

No, when he was a jerk at the end, he had a darn good reason to be. Tommy at the beginning of season 1 wouldn't have reacted so badly to the Oliver/Laurel thing because he wasn't a "one woman guy." Tommy at the beginning of season 1 wouldn't have tried to stop his dad, or run into a collapsing building with no regard for his own safety in order to save someone. Sorry, but he DID change and grow.

 

[Crossvale]

Tommy at the beginning of season 1 wouldn't have reacted so badly to the Oliver/Laurel thing because he wasn't a "one woman guy."

He already was jealous in the pilot when Oliver/laurel were talking together and even asking laurel whether or not they would get together. All of a sudden he was asking Laurel that he wanted to do serious, what about all this time Oliver wasnt back, 5 good years and he was content with friends with benefit. I would speculate his fear to lose, to lose her to Oliver is what drove him to ask laurel to get serious with him. He also got jealous in episode 8 lashing out at both of them.

Tommy at the beginning of season 1 wouldn't have tried to stop his dad, or run into a collapsing building with no regard for his own safety in order to save someone. Sorry, but he DID change and grow.

Well the same Tommy rushed to save Oliver from those goons as early as episode 3. Was there for Thea when she was on a path of self destruction.

Yes Tommy was a nice guy, Im not saying I don't see the good things he has done but he also had a deep dark side inside of him.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]

New Images for "City of Heroes"

Manu's height is perfect for Wolverine. Just saying.

 

[Shikamaru]

On another note, I definitely like on how the people involved with the show are admitting that the Oliver we got in Season 1, was in a sense, a incomplete model/version of who Green Arrow is ultimately supposed to be and that his reasons for "saving the city" weren't exactly noble.

If anything, it seems like Season 1 was Oliver's way of truly confronting his own inner demons in order to move on and become the hero that he'll later be.

Honestly, I'm still wondering on how the superpowers thing is going to affect and come into play for the show.

Given that I'm a big Superman fan, I'm always going to be wondering as to whether the likes of Superman and even batman will now exist somewhere within the Arrow World and whether it'll be the versions that we see on the big screen or some new versions entirely.

It's just hard to imagine seeing a DC world established without some of the big guns existing in it. I mean it's one thing to not be able to show Batman and wonder woman in a world with superman and the rest of the JLA/JSA (where their actual existence was confirmed to be a canon thing with references in Season 10 and with the Season 11 comics), but it's going feel like another thing if they don't exist at all in this world.

I agree. However, the creators did say they would use Nightwing and Batman if they were allowed to do so. Based on that, it's safe to assume that at least a big gun like Batman exist in this universe or will exist at some point, even if we never end up seeing him.

 

[riotgirl77]

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[Loki882]

Manu's height is perfect for Wolverine. Just saying.

"Who wants their ass-whooping first?"

 

[Sawyer]

 

[The Squirrel]

Squee!

 

[Pepsiguy2]

Creator of Amazo is coming to Arrow.

http://screencrush.com/arrow-season-2-dr-anthony-ivo-dylan-neal-exclusive/?trackback=twitter_top

 

[InnerWarrior]

I'm loving the DC characters! Man, there are so many, but all with that realistic twist which makes them even more awesome! I forgot Brother Blood was supposed to be in this season

 

[Loki882]

Amazo would be relatively simple to do. Just make him a super powerful android with weapons on him. You'd need to tone him down from the comics, but its certainly doable.

 

[Nathan]

Do you need to tone Amazo down? His whole shtick is to copy powers. Well, since not many super powered beings are around, he'd just be a strong android. And you could eventually bring him back once Flash and other powered heroes are established.

 

[Loki882]

Amazo is ridiculously powerful in the comics, so I don't see the show going that far. He'd be powerful, but not THAT powerful.

 

[Sawyer]

http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/09/ar...se.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Arrow - Episode 2.02 - Identity - Press Release
Posted by BloodyMary at Friday, September 27, 2013

DC COMICS’ BRONZE TIGER AND CHINA WHITE WREAK HAVOC ON THE GLADES — Oliver (Stephen Amell) finds out the medicine that is being sent to Glades Memorial is being hijacked by thieves. Without an influx of supplies, the hospital will close. Roy (Colton Haynes) attempts to stop the thieves, but he fails and is arrested by Officer Lance (Paul Blackthorne). Oliver gets into a heated battle with China White (guest star Kelly Hu) and her new partner, Ben Turner, AKA the Bronze Tiger (guest star Michael Jai White), over the supplies. Meanwhile, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) makes plans to catch the Arrow, and Thea (Willa Holland) gives Roy an ultimatum. Nick Copus directed the episode written by Ben Sokolowski & Beth Schwartz (#202).

 

[regnak]

http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/09/ar...se.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Those two wrote Home Invasion which was excellent so I would expect a good job on this episode.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

There's no need for Amazo, really. Ivo's a good character on his own and they'll make him something good.