Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 6

[Sawyer]

http://tvline.com/2013/09/27/arrow-season-2-casting-news-john-barrowman-malcolm-merlyn/

As speculated at this summer’s San Diego Comic-Con — given the talent RSVP list for the sophomore superhero drama’s panel discussion — John Barrowman is set to reprise his role as Malcolm Merlyn aka The Dark Archer sometime during Season 2, TVLine can confirm.

A spokesperson for The CW would not say in what form Malcolm, who in the finale was last seen having an arrow thrust through his chest by The Hood, will resurface — in a dream (OK, nightmare) sequence, flashback, as a “ghost” or in the big, bad flesh — but TVLine hears the character will appear in at least two episodes.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Alright been meaning to finish off the first season and tonight is that night! I shall post my delayed reactions afterwards

 

[b_boy]

http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/09/ar...se.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

... Meanwhile, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) makes plans to catch the Arrow, and Thea (Willa Holland) gives Roy an ultimatum. Nick Copus directed the episode written by Ben Sokolowski & Beth Schwartz (#202).

They really don't know what to do with these two do they? I mean, Thea got really anoying last season because all the time she was complaining that Oliver didn't open up or wasn't with them, and now they shifted that to complaining about Roy, and Laurel seems to be on the same way as the last season, depressed (now this time because of Tommy) and making stupid decisions by trying to get Arrow arrested because (insert lame reason here)...... it really frustrates me because Dinah Lance it's the one I was most interested since the begning of the show, but it seems like they want us to not like her....

 

[Loki882]

Thea and Roy will join Oliver's posse by the end of season 2 at the latest, I'm calling it know.

 

[Herolee10]

I just hope that Oliver grows to be a more likable person by the end of Season 2.

Even after coming back from the island, Oliver still had some of that *****e-like behavior that he was infamously known for before he was stranded on the island. The only difference was that he would try and righteously justify that whatever he was doing was for the greater good of Starling city.

In a lot of ways, Oliver came off as being very hypocritical throughout last season, going from telling Tommy to get back together with Laurel, only for him to bed her before Tommy got a chance to talk with her, and then telling Diggie that he was saving the city only to tell him later that petty criminals and drug lords weren't his concern.

I mean I know that not all heroes are saints and such, case in point: Logan and Tony Stark, but they still display and possess traits and characteristics that show that they have the heart of a hero and Oliver has yet to show that in my own opinion.

The only person that Oliver was looking out for in the end was himself.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

My Arrow marathon is still going strong, 10 hours into it and no sleep till I'm done. Only have 5 more episodes left then on to season 2!

 

[Loki882]

I just hope that Oliver grows to be a more likable person by the end of Season 2.

Even after coming back from the island, Oliver still had some of that *****e-like behavior that he was infamously known for before he was stranded on the island. The only difference was that he would try and righteously justify that whatever he was doing was for the greater good of Starling city.

In a lot of ways, Oliver came off as being very hypocritical throughout last season, going from telling Tommy to get back together with Laurel, only for him to bed her before Tommy got a chance to talk with her, and then telling Diggie that he was saving the city only to tell him later that petty criminals and drug lords weren't his concern.

I mean I know that not all heroes are saints and such, case in point: Logan and Tony Stark, but they still display and possess traits and characteristics that show that they have the heart of a hero and Oliver has yet to show that in my own opinion.

The only person that Oliver was looking out for in the end was himself.

Oliver unintentionally being a *****ebag is in the comics as well, this is nothing new. Also, he wasn't only looking out for himself, that's an absurd claim to make.

 

[Boy Scout]

It's Oliver's flaws that make him human. He didn't come back from the island a selfless avenger who always does the right thing. In spite of everything that happened to him, he's still a human being, and he still makes mistakes. I like that. The fact that he's still kind of a dick makes him very three dimensional IMO.

 

[jacobed]

Just marathoned this on blu ray in 2 days. Really phenomenal show, it has a bit of the cw cheesiness drama but it works in this show more than it did in Smallville. What elevates it is the really really great kick ass action and I love how Arrow kills. I might be in the minority on that but I love it and I hope they don't decide to change it. In fact the body count in general is impressive. Really great show and Amell's acting got better and better as the season went on. Love the banter between him and Diggle

 

[jacobed]

is Nightwing still coming to season 2 or was that just a rumor?

 

[Nathan]

I think the body count might go down. Especially when he wants to become more than just a vigilante. It's also kind of unnecessary. As skilled as he is, he doesn't have to leave a trail of bodies. He can hit bouncing tennis balls, so he could disarm and disable everyone without killing them.

 

[Herolee10]

Oliver unintentionally being a *****ebag is in the comics as well, this is nothing new. Also, he wasn't only looking out for himself, that's an absurd claim to make.

It's Oliver's flaws that make him human. He didn't come back from the island a selfless avenger who always does the right thing. In spite of everything that happened to him, he's still a human being, and he still makes mistakes. I like that. The fact that he's still kind of a dick makes him very three dimensional IMO.

Wasn't it Diggie though that pretty much pointed out that the only reason why Oliver was so fixated on taking out the people in that list of names that his father had given him 5 years ago was mainly because of how it that was that thought of fulfilling his father's dying wish that kept him alive for the last 5 years and not so much because Oliver thought that he was doing the right thing for the people of Starling City?

Oliver, for the most part, never bothered to tackle any of the other problems that were plaguing Starling City if it had nothing to do with him or his father's list, which Diggie would point out to him at times.

Heck, wasn't Oliver's biggest reason for helping Helena because he thought he could find companionship in her and not so much because he thought that she could really help the city?

Plus, Oliver was shown that if people didn't do things his way then he'd have no problem letting them go and moving on from it.

Oliver's not a "real hero" yet imho. And while I get that Oliver can be a *****e in the comics, he at least had more of a hero present within his character in terms of helping people for the sake of helping them as opposed to what Arrow's Oliver is currently doing.

This is actually why I enjoy on how everyone on the how is pointing out that the Oliver from Season 1 wasn't really the "Green Arrow" that people know and are familiar with yet and that he was a "incomplete model" of that hero.

 

[Boy Scout]

Wasn't it Diggie though that pretty much pointed out that the only reason why Oliver was so fixated on taking out the people in that list of names that his father had given him 5 years ago was mainly because of how it that was that thought of fulfilling his father's dying wish that kept him alive for the last 5 years and not so much because Oliver thought that he was doing the right thing for the people of Starling City?

Yes. And while I have no doubt that's exactly how it started out, I think it eventually became about more than just honoring his father's wishes.

Heck, wasn't Oliver's biggest reason for helping Helena because he thought he could find companionship in her and not so much because he thought that she could really help the city?

I couldn't tell you. I haven't seen those episodes since they first aired.

But assuming you're right...that's exactly what I'm talking about. Oliver isn't perfect at all. And I like that.

Oliver's not a "real hero" yet imho.

How do you, personally, define a hero?

And while I get that Oliver can be a *****e in the comics, he at least had more of a hero present within his character in terms of helping people for the sake of helping them as opposed to what Arrow's Oliver is currently doing.

Like I said, eventually, I think it became about more than what his father wanted him to do.

Also, I think I should say that my post was more about Oliver as a person more so than a hero/vigilante.

 

[jacobed]

I think the body count might go down. Especially when he wants to become more than just a vigilante. It's also kind of unnecessary. As skilled as he is, he doesn't have to leave a trail of bodies. He can hit bouncing tennis balls, so he could disarm and disable everyone without killing them.

Better to be safe than sorry

 

[Herolee10]

How do you, personally, define a hero?

Personally, and just off the top of my head, someone who puts their own needs aside in order to help those in need unconditionally.

 

[Boy Scout]

Personally, and just off the top of my head, someone who puts their own needs aside in order to help those in need unconditionally.

I would agree with that. I would also argue there's more than one way to be a hero. Oliver, regardless of why he does it, puts his life at risk day after day to help people who have been victimized and asks for nothing in return. He almost died to save The Glades in the finale. I think that makes him heroic, if not a hero. However, I don't disagree that he could become even more heroic by becoming a bit more...traditional.

 

[jacobed]

Personally, and just off the top of my head, someone who puts their own needs aside in order to help those in need unconditionally.

Which would describe Green Arrow in this show perfectly

 

[Herolee10]

I would agree with that. I would also argue there's more than one way to be a hero. Oliver, regardless of why he does it, puts his life at risk day after day to help people who have been victimized and asks for nothing in return. He almost died to save The Glades in the finale. I think that makes him heroic, if not a hero. However, I don't disagree that he could become even more heroic by becoming a bit more...traditional.

Which would describe Green Arrow in this show perfectly

But isn't it more a matter of it just being convenient that Oliver's agenda just so happens to coincide with people getting saved as a result?

What i mean is, Oliver has admitted (I think) that he has no interest in really tackling petty or everyday crime in Starling City and that he'll only go after the people that's been marked by his father or attack him or his loved ones first.

So while people have been saved from Oliver's actions, I don't think it was because he wanted to necessarily save the ones that he didn't know but that they just happened to be saved/rescued from Oliver accomplishing his task.

Sometimes I wonder on what Oliver would do if he saw a random thug mugging an complete stranger. I mean would he just let it go, thinking that it's none of his business, or would he get involved despite it having to do nothing with him whatsoever.

That's why I've said before that Oliver has only satisfied his needs in a sense because a lot of the things that he did in Season 1 were motivated by his father's list or by someone in his inner circle being attacked.

I haven't recalled seeing him helping anyone that didn't have anything to do with him or his list.

 

[Boy Scout]

But isn't it more a matter of it just being convenient that Oliver's agenda just so happens to coincide with people getting saved as a result?

Is it a convenience? Oliver could have just killed them all outright. Instead, he forced them to right their wrongs before turning them over to the authorities.

What i mean is, Oliver has admitted (I think) that he has no interest in really tackling petty or everyday crime in Starling City and that he'll only go after the people that's been marked by his father or attack him or his loved ones first.

That's because he believed that taking out the big fish would do a lot more long-term good than rounding up the small fry.

So while people have been saved from Oliver's actions, I don't think it was because he wanted to necessarily save the ones that he didn't know but that they just happened to be saved/rescued from Oliver accomplishing his task.

Again: he didn't have to do anything for the victims. He could've let them to rot. Helping them was a decision he made.

Sometimes I wonder on what Oliver would do if he saw a random thug mugging an complete stranger. I mean would he just let it go, thinking that it's none of his business, or would he get involved despite it having to do nothing with him whatsoever.

Of course he would've stopped it if he came across it. He just wasn't actively seeking out that kind of situation.

That's why I've said before that Oliver has only satisfied his needs in a sense because a lot of the things that he did in Season 1 were motivated by his father's list or by someone in his inner circle being attacked.

I haven't recalled seeing him helping anyone that didn't have anything to do with him or his list.

But none of that makes him not a hero, though. At least I don't think it does.

 

[Herolee10]

Good argument Boy Scout. I do hope though that we get more of a, like you said...traditional Hero, out of Oliver this coming season.

I'm not asking him to turn into a saint since Oliver will always be Oliver Queen.lol, but I do hope that he has more stronger reasons, as Malcom had taunted him in the last episode, for putting on the hood.

And I do hope that he doesn't backstab anymore friends when it comes to the love department.

 

[Boy Scout]

Good argument Boy Scout. I do hope though that we get more of a, like you said...traditional Hero, out of Oliver this coming season.

Same. But I do hope that, as a person, he'll continue to be flawed.

I'm not asking him to turn into a saint since Oliver will always be Oliver Queen.lol, but I do hope that he has more stronger reasons, as Malcom had taunted him in the last episode, for putting on the hood.

I think he'll see that Starling City needs a symbol and realizes that he can't be that symbol if he's going around murdering people and letting himself be referred to as "the vigilante".

And I do hope that he doesn't backstab anymore friends when it comes to the love department.

Spoiler

Well, apparently he and Laurel are going to share a kiss over Tommy's grave, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[Lencho01]

He seems slimmer than I was expecting.

 

[Herolee10]

First Superman, now Flash...lol

 

[jacobed]

is that the Flash?

You know if WB was smart they'd use this Arrow and Flash for the Justice League movie. I know it doesn't have the biggest audience in the world but at least these characters would have some backstory before going into a movie and they wouldn't have to waste any time to establish them. Plus Arrow is already pretty awesome and bad ass and it sounds like the new Flash will be really cool too

 

[Herolee10]

Spoiler

Well, apparently he and Laurel are going to share a kiss over Tommy's grave, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Honestly, a woman isn't safe from being trapped in Oliver's bed at this point unless she's a relative or extremely old and viewed as unattractive.lol