Arrow Arrow Season 3 Episode 13 "Canaries" discussion thread

[Mister J]

I'm so glad that the truth tea was spilled all over everyone in this episode!

I think my favorite part was Roy giving Oliver some (much deserved) attitude.

Agreed. Those moments are needed at times given how much of an unrelenting pratt Oliver can be at times. Nice to see Roy do it, as it seems it would usually be Diggle. Then Digg had a good moment reinforcing the same, but from a different angle. Nicely played.

 

[Loki882]

One the one hand, Thea being all cool with Oliver being GA (appreciative even) was pleasantly surprising. Given how poorly that they've written her character this season, I wasn't expecting that reaction from her. On the other hand, they're still giving her these sudden/extreme character swings. So now she doesn't trust Merlyn at all, why? She's been buddy buddy with him all season, hence the complaints. Don't get me wrong, her reaction here is certainly the right one, but it happened way too quickly with not enough justification for it. Writers, stop giving her complete 180% mood swings, or at least give more reasoning for them.

Oh and the whole DJ thing was a gigantic waste of time, nice job there writers.

 

[Lencho01]

I found the episode unintentionally funny.

 

[yonny616]

The best episode of the season so far. Laurel is finally coming into her own as Black Canary. The whole thing with her battling her demons was great. She was pretty much fighting her haters. When she tell her dad that Sara is dead was a hearfelt moment that was really well done by both Katie Cassidy and Paul Blackthorne. Nice seeing Thea finally brought into the fold and knows Oliver is the Arrow, though Her sudden change to be against Malcolm was weird since she's been defending him for the half of season. Also was cool seeing her fighting skills. It was nice seeing Roy stand up to Oliver. They need to find something to do with Diggle. The character has been wasted for the better part of two entire seasons. Also why does no one know what makes a person a hero for **** sakes!? Over all it was a great episode. Finally the pace has picked up.

 

[JC00]

Not getting why people think the DJ Assassin thing was for nothing. He saw minimal screen time and was there to report Merlyn and Thea's moves to Ra's.

It was actually logical writing that Ra's would send someone after Sara died.

 

[kedrell]

Well this episode was a welcome change of pace that finally got stuff going instead of jogging in place like the last few have. Always nice to see Lotz return. I miss her and all of her badassery.

7.5/10

All in all with above average episodes from AC, Flash and this show means this week's programming has been doing pretty well and I'm happy about it.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Truly appreciated Thea's reaction to Ollie telling her. The expected thing was her freaking out.

 

[Quasimod0]

Easily the best episode of the season. So many great moments. And I loved how Thea handled learning the secret. I'm also now really liking Laurel!
9/10!

 

[Rowsdower!]

Damn, Roy should think about early retirement. He's always catching a beat down.

Haha yeah. He seems to get his ass handed to him a lot more since he started wearing a costume.

 

[Quasimod0]

I seem to remember him getting a beat down before he was Arsenal too.

 

[O'Haire]

I think my favorite part was Roy giving Oliver some (much deserved) attitude.

Would of been better if he didn't bring up Ollie wanting to work with Merlyn, when just last week he was also saying they should work with him.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Roy still have a lot to learn. He going to need another trainer beside Oliver to improve hand to hand combat

 

[Primal Slayer]

Would of been better if he didn't bring up Ollie wanting to work with Merlyn, when just last week he was also saying they should work with him.

Roy had less options when he needed to work with Merlyn. The city was kind of in danger of going to hell.

 

[zenith16]

Roy still have a lot to learn. He going to need another trainer beside Oliver to improve hand to hand combat

He needs more then just combat. But he does need another trainer

 

[Boy Scout]

Roy had less options when he needed to work with Merlyn. The city was kind of in danger of going to hell.

He was for the idea because he believed in the good that Thea saw in him. He wasn't being pragmatic.

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Not getting why people think the DJ Assassin thing was for nothing. He saw minimal screen time and was there to report Merlyn and Thea's moves to Ra's.

It was actually logical writing that Ra's would send someone after Sara died.

He was pointless because he had very little screen time and contributed nothing of value. He was in disguise as a flirtatious nobody most of the time, and almost right after we discovered who he really was, he killed himself. We don't know his codename or the extent of what he reported back to the League, and the fact that we saw him maybe four or five times in two minute intervals before last night suggests that he did an awful job of getting close to his target.

On an unrelated note: if Oliver won't train Laurel, Diggle should.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Do you really think Diggle would train Laurel? He could put help with hand to hand combat but I say Nyssa will be her training especially weapon training

 

[JC00]

He was pointless because he had very little screen time and contributed nothing of value. He was in disguise as a flirtatious nobody most of the time, and almost right after we discovered who he really was, he killed himself. We don't know his codename or the extent of what he reported back to the League, and the fact that we saw him maybe four or five times in two minute intervals before last night suggests that he did an awful job of getting close to his target.

I really don't know what you people complaining about his role in the storyline were looking for. It is clear he was never intended to be some major part of the story. He was just there to show that Ra's had someone shadowing Thea since early in the season and as a plot device push for Oliver and Thea to agree to work with Merlyn.
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[Boy Scout]

Do you really think Diggle would train Laurel?

Why wouldn't he?

He could put help with hand to hand combat but I say Nyssa will be her training especially weapon training

I'm not saying she won't, but considering how strained relations are between Team Arrow and the League, I don't know why she would.

I really don't know what you people complaining about his role in the storyline were looking for.

A better execution of said storyline?

It is clear he was never intended to be some major part of the story.

He didn't have to be.

He was just there to show that Ra's had someone shadowing Thea since early in the season and as a plot device as the push for Oliver and Thea to agree to work with Merlyn.

And it didn't seem to amount to anything. And now he's dead.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I do believe nyssa don't have any personal problem with Laurel so she may agree to help. Diggle should offer his services but there has been no indication at the moment

 

[Boy Scout]

She didn't have any personal problems with the citizens of Starling, either, but she was willing to stand by and watch fifty of thrm be murdered every day Oliver failed to find Sara's killer. I just don't see either character being okay with it at the moment. Diggle is the more logical choice. He was always able to hold his own against Sara and Oliver, even though they were both able to beat him.

 

[Mikelus]

This episode was better than ep. 12 and one of the season's best.

RIP Chase Agent/DJ *****e, you won't be missed!

Laurel owned Oliver by calling out his hypocrisy, well done! t:

Also Roy owned Oliver when defending Thea, bonus points for him.

Finally Thea and Quentin know the truth, they dragged it for too long, but at least is done and changes the dynamics in a good way. I knew Quentin was not going to die (for now), he's their Gordon, they need the police connection and after losing Sara, it would've been too much for Laurel to lose her father too.

Laurel was hallucinating with what haters say online! LOL And they got owned too, well done writers, well done.

But, they're making the LOA too incompetent, Ra's failed killing Oliver and Chase in killing Thea, is just too convenient. If you don't want your characters to die, then find a better way for them to survive without dumbing down the villains.

 

[zenith16]

She didn't have any personal problems with the citizens of Starling, either, but she was willing to stand by and watch fifty of thrm be murdered every day Oliver failed to find Sara's killer. I just don't see either character being okay with it at the moment. Diggle is the more logical choice. He was always able to hold his own against Sara and Oliver, even though they were both able to beat him.

for laurel there two people Richard drago ad maybe lady shiva. for Roy agent sarge steel & his agency the CBI(the FBI of the DCU) also the precursor to checkmate as a thorn to the side of Waller wanting every place to burn. who'll a more positive relationship with team Arrow & a place for Layla to go to job wise when she finally leaves Waller. which she should.

 

[JC00]

But, they're making the LOA too incompetent, Ra's failed killing Oliver and Chase in killing Thea, is just too convenient. If you don't want your characters to die, then find a better way for them to survive without dumbing down the villains.

Yes. Easily defeating Oliver with basically one arm behind his back and sticking a sword clean through and pushing him off a mountain makes him incompetent.

Also the Thea thing was far from incompetent. She had been clued in that the League was coming after them. Then she remembers some of Merlyn's training about the cyanide and put 2 & 2 together even then he got the upper hand on her but Roy and Merlyn showed up.

 

[JC00]

And it didn't seem to amount to anything. And now he's dead.

What part of him trying to kill Thea is the reason why Oliver and Thea have decided to work with Merlyn are you not understanding?

 

[Boy Scout]

What I'm not understanding is why you're speaking so aggressively. Relax. It's not that serious.