Arrow Arrow Season 3 Episode 15 "Nanda Parbat" Discussion Thread

[Human Torch]

Any writer worth their salt knows this is how you keep the shippers involved. You keep the couple in question bouncing between themselves and other partners to keep the shippers interested. The minute the object of the shippers affection consummate that relationship,the shippers will get bored and move on.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I am expecting more twist/game changer as the producer have mention in future episode......it would help to keep the rest of the season strong.

 

[Herolee10]

I think he might be part of it, as he has passion for Flash at least (as I understand it) and possibly Kreisberg too while this show doesn't feel like they're passionate about Green Arrow, it feels like they're passionate about Batman.

haha, indeed.

Heck, they don't really utilize any of Green Arrow's canon foes from the comics that much. Whenever they finally get an actual GA villain on the show, they end up butchering the characterization most of the times (namely by making that said villain act more like one of Batman's villains).

Heck, most of the interesting villains that have come on this show aren't even from Green Arrow's rogues gallery.

Any writer worth their salt knows this is how you keep the shippers involved. You keep the couple in question bouncing between themselves and other partners to keep the shippers interested. The minute the object of the shippers affection consummate that relationship,the shippers will get bored and move on.

lol; well in some cases I agree. But at the same time, I feel like there are better ways to make any pairing interesting to watch, post consumption.

The problem is that many writers tend to end up alienating their respective fandoms by introducing factors that end up (unintentionally) tarnishing the very reasons on why that given pair became popular in the first place.

The most often (and somewhat cliche) tactics that most writers tend to use in order to "subdue" a couple's pacing always involve either adding a third player into the mix (ala love triangle) or having one of the leads suddenly believe that the relationship won't work for whatever reason.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

They have always said they will go to Green Arrow just because they are batman lite don't mean they won't change....... Brick, Merlyn, Deathstroke are three GA that they use that seem to be fine.

 

[Herolee10]

So much like in "Superman Returns", Brandon plays a superhero that dresses in Red and Blue, while possessing the ability to fly... who sleeps with a woman before taking off in the middle of the night without saying goodbye to her.

Karma much?lol

 

[Herolee10]

They have always said they will go to Green Arrow just because they are batman lite don't mean they won't change....... Brick, Merlyn, Deathstroke are three GA that they use that seem to be fine.

Season 1 Merlyn was fine/awesome in my honest opinion. With Deathstroke, surprisingly, I just read that he's also been more of a villain to Atom than Arrow at times.

With Brick, he's supposed to have metahuman like powers but they didn't really establish any of that here.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Season 1 Merlyn was fine/awesome in my honest opinion. With Deathstroke, surprisingly, I just read that he's also been more of a villain to Atom than Arrow at times.

With Brick, he's supposed to have metahuman like powers but they didn't really establish any of that here.

since there are not a lot of choices left for GA villain......the best choice to create an original villain that is lethal and dangerous....maybe for season 4. I don't think we will see another big villain however Ra's has yet to show his dark side which is needed as there has been no big villain more of 3 to 5 smaller ones

 

[Herolee10]

since there are not a lot of choices left for GA villain......the best choice to create an original villain that is lethal and dangerous....maybe for season 4. I don't think we will see another big villain because Ra's has yet to show his dark side.

In Arrow's case, I think the best options for him would be...like you said, to develop some original (and compelling) villains for him.

I mean, up until 2005-06, the "Winter Soldier" persona didn't even exist in the Captain America mythology and look at how popular he's become since.

Also, another option would be to use villains from the comics that don't necessarily belong to any one hero's rogues gallery...like Deathstroke or even HIVE (I think).

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

In Arrow's case, I think the best options for him would be...like you said, to develop some original (and compelling) villains for him.

I mean, up until 2005-06, the "Winter Soldier" persona didn't even exist in the Captain America mythology and look at how popular he's become since.

Also, another option would be to use villains from the comics that don't necessarily belong to any one hero's rogues gallery...like Deathstroke or even HIVE (I think).

if HIVE is season 4 big threat.....I expect Queen Bee to be introduce......if we want a "winter soldier like villain" Tommy Merlyn is rised from the dead and become new dark archer......winter solider was Captains America best friend so there is a parallel here.....but we know that won't happen as people who died should remain dead.

I could see "Prometheus" appearing maybe season 5 and there also the "The Outsiders" from GA new 52......I think outsider would work better if they are willing to drop the realistic/grounded stuff.

It depend if fans wants to see a Oliver tackle smaller villain but still a big threat to the city in some form without destroying it again

 

[Ryder]

I think people need to give up on the whole "will they mention Batman" thing. It's pretty clear by this point that he doesn't exist in this universe.

He exist. His name is Oliver Queen.

 

[Mikelus]

To the ones expecting the Atom to shrink, you will need patience, is NOT going to happen immediately it seems:

Last week also brought the first look at Brandon Routh in the Atom costume -- as a longtime comics fan, what excites you most about seeing Routh in that suit? And what can you tease about what he might get up to while wearing it?

For me, the most satisfying thing about the costume is, it looks like Brandon walked off of a movie set. I've never seen a TV show do a costume of this level of ambition before. He's got a lot of cool tricks up his sleeve. People who are immediately expecting him to shrink are going to be disappointed. I will say that upfront.

We always say, we're doing the "Arrow" version of The Atom. That said, there will be some flying involved, which looks remarkably amazing. He has a lot of little gadgets and tricks and abilities built into that suit. I don't want to spoil exactly what they are, because I think part of the fun of watching is seeing what that suit's going to do next.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=59186

 

[Nathan]

The most often (and somewhat cliche) tactics that most writers tend to use in order to "subdue" a couple's pacing always involve either adding a third player into the mix (ala love triangle) or having one of the leads suddenly believe that the relationship won't work for whatever reason.

Well, in this case we have a very valid reason. The male lead is a complete and utter idiot.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, in this case we have a very valid reason. The male lead is a complete and utter idiot.

 

[pepper]

The olicity shippers are beyond crazy. Literally the worst fandom I've ever seen (apart from TVD)

Its funny that the same people who hate Laurel now hate Ray! Like now it's even more obvious why they hate these characters! Ray Palmer is a great guy, handsome af and he is going to be a hero. I don't see how his character is bad, 'that' part of the fandom only dislikes him because he is not Oliver Queen, and he is in the way of Olicity.

And Felicity literally sleeps with ONE guy in the three years this show has been on air and people are **** shaming her?

 

[Nathan]

And Felicity literally sleeps with ONE guy in the three years this show has been on air and people are **** shaming her?

Really? When that happened, I was like "Yay, you get some, girl!"

 

[Hunter Rider]

Any writer worth their salt knows this is how you keep the shippers involved. You keep the couple in question bouncing between themselves and other partners to keep the shippers interested. The minute the object of the shippers affection consummate that relationship,the shippers will get bored and move on.

Castle has proven this to be a complete and utter myth, by removing forced relationship drama and putting the two leads together and building around them facing obstacles as a couple in a risk based job has only made the show better, even a show like Chicago PD has realized this. They could easily do the same with Ollie and Felicity and remove some of the angst from Ollie as he's worn that guilt chain around his neck as long as possible IMO.

 

[chamber-music]

Some of those Olicity sippers are annoying.

I'm guessing this is where Maseo's son dies. Or maybe not lol.

They keep teasing the kid dying. I think one week he will just slip on a banana peel and die

Batman is my favorite character ever, I have thousands of comics, have all the movies, TV shows, etc... and I still don't see why people are so gung-ho about Arrow being "Batman-Lite". I don't understand that perspective at all. I don't think they could be any more different from each other, to be honest.

Furthermore, Ra's is really the first exclusive Batman villain they've used. Deathstroke, Merlyn, Clock King, Count Vertigo, Komodo, Black Canary, Arsenal... these are all primarily Green Arrow enemies and allies.

Above all, and hilariously, Green Arrow was created specifically to be a knockoff of Batman in the first place, and even in this show, they are TOTALLY different characters.

Agreed

Merlyn was a League member and one of Ra's elite assassins in the comics. It is natural that a Green Arrow & Merlyn conflict may draw in the LOA.

The actors and writers have said numerous times they are building towards these characters being more like their comic counterparts. They planned to take Oliver Queen from murderous wanted vigilante to superhero

 

[Crimz]

Didn't like the end, but the episode was fine.

Oliver was a complete idiot this episode and it was like he felt offended that Laurel wanted Merlyn dead. She was not in the wrong (for once) and I liked how she didn't blame Thea.

Like Felicity and Ray together, hate the Olicity thing. And its about time she got some

I was scared they were kill the only black guy in the show, happy that doesn't seem to be the case.
But am I the only one getting these feeling that Diggle might die this season?....

He better not.

 

[Dugath]

Felicity is sort of a.. well I do not want to say the word... but..

First Oliver
Then Barry (first time they met)
Then Oliver again
Then Barry, then back to Oliver
Now (all the way) Ray
(probably back to Oliver at some point)

Which superhero is next..

 

[Crimz]

Felicity is sort of a.. well I do not want to say the word... but..

First Oliver
Then Barry (first time they met)
Then Oliver again
Then Barry, then back to Oliver
Now (all the way) Ray
(probably back to Oliver at some point)

Which superhero is next..

But Ray is the only one she slept with.

 

[Boy Scout]

Um...she kissed two men and slept with one more within a three year timespan. What, exactly, are you calling her?

 

[Dugath]

But Ray is the only one she slept with.

Because he allowed it.
Do you not think she would have done the same if Oliver allowed it.
Barry, maybe not so much... but...
Point is she can not make up her mind and seems to jump from one guy to another pretty easily.

 

[Kar]

This entire episode shouldn't have even happened. I don't like the idea of Oliver rescuing Malcolm because he doesn't want Thea to live with the guilt of being a killer when the whole point of them teaming up with Merlyn in the first place is for her to become a killer. But I loved Laurel in this episode. I never really had that much of an issue with her character like you all have, but this episode she really shined. Mainly because she made 1000x more sense than Oliver did.

The reveal at the end saved the episode for me. Although it makes this season come off as more fan-ficcy to me it was still nicely executed, partly because now I feel like we'll have a reason explaining how Oliver survived. It would appear that Ra's knew what he was doing when he stabbed him. Maybe when he threw him off the cliff someone down there caught him or something. I dunno. But I'm eager to seeing where this new twist goes. I haven't seen the trailer for the next episode, so I'm gonna make a prediction: Ra's wants Ollie to kill Malcolm Merlyn in order to take over and he'll be conflicted because "he doesn't want to be a killer and doesn't want to take Thea's homicidal biological daddy away from her because it will damage her."

Anyone else but me hope that this is the last we'll see of Ray? I sure as hell do. His character really didn't do much of anything this season. Like--anything at all. Except fly away. I really wish they could have went with Ted Kord like they originally planned. I feel like we would have gotten more interactions with Oliver and maybe even a team-up. I definitely don't care for a Atom and Green Arrow partnership though.

 

[Rocketman]

Agreed

Merlyn was a League member and one of Ra's elite assassins in the comics. It is natural that a Green Arrow & Merlyn conflict may draw in the LOA.

The actors and writers have said numerous times they are building towards these characters being more like their comic counterparts. They planned to take Oliver Queen from murderous wanted vigilante to superhero

I just don't understand everyone's complete fixation on the Queen/Wayne comparison. It's virtually nonexistent. It's like we don't even know who the two characters are. Read some comics, people. Arrow is NOT ripping off Batman.

Oliver and Bruce's parents are dead? Great - so are Spider-Man's and Superman's, and, you know, basically every superhero.

Oliver and Bruce are billionaires? Fantastic - so are Tony Stark, Ray Palmer, and Black Panther.

Oliver and Bruce are vigilantes who work at night? Get outta town - flip through the pages of basically 95% of all comics ever.

You would have an easier time convincing me that Green Arrow is a ripoff of Hawkeye, or better yet, Robin Hood. A Robin Hood comparison would get ZERO argument from me.

The day that Oliver Queen has two horns on his hood, or Felicity starts being called "Oracle", then I'll admit that people are onto something. But everyone's grasping at straws. Everyone comparison someone makes to Batman on this show, there are at least two other superheroes you could compare him to.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Um...she kissed two men and slept with one more within a three year timespan. What, exactly, are you calling her?

Exactly but this board is the epicenter of the dated and lame double standard when it comes to sexuality.