The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I didn't like the fact that he never ran out of web fluid.

 

[Spider-Who?]

But wasn't Parker always described as being an 'uncoordinated' bookworm before the bite? His lack of a propensity for physicality was what made the transformation so severe. He was someone who had dedicated himself purely to intellectual development, and then overnight gains superhuman physical ability... it's a nerd's greatest (amazing) fantasy.

I don't know if he was uncoordinated so much as he was just a shy awkward guy.

This is probably sacrilegious for a lot of people, but I come from what I consider to be a realistic standpoint that there is only so much you can gleam from a 15 page comic origin. You NEED to add/change stuff around when you try to recreate that origin for a feature film. Especially when said origin is 50 years old and you're making a modern day film. I personally feel that some people take Amazing Fantasy 15 WAY too seriously, and often time forget that it is just a few pages of ink, and not the grand, 1000 page epic, immensely detailed journey some make it out to be. So long as the essence is there, and you remain true to the important aspects and events of the character, I'm cool with it.

All that is just a round about way of saying "I'm totally cool with having him skateboard", especially considering in cities, that is a very popular way to get around for younger people. Hell, even in college, the nerdiest guys I knew skateboarded to class.

 

[OP84CC82]

4.) That Peter's origin is drawn out over several scenes. He doesn't get bit in the room, but out in the hallway talking to Gwen. Just really overdone.

He apparently got bitten in the room in an earlier cut of the film. I know because the teaser trailer shown with Captain America had that happen along with a different design for the OsCorp building.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I didn't like the fact that he never ran out of web fluid.

It wasn't issue for me, but I was surprised they didn't toss that in. Not even for dramtic effect, but a simple "oh, let me swap out a cartridge real quick".

 

[Golgo-13]

He apparently got bitten in the room in an earlier cut of the film. I know because the teaser trailer shown with Captain America had that happen along with a different design for the OsCorp building.

Yeah, i could have sworn in the trailer he was bitten the rooom too.

Am i the only one not happy about the spider-sense?

 

[Spider-Who?]

Kids tend to steal in school, that's probably why he had his name on it. Peter probably didn't think to remove it because he's just absent-minded, which has been a problem of his for a while. Doesn't mean he's not intelligent.

Yup. A buddy of mine is insanely smart - got over 2000 on his SATs and is nearly finished with his doctorate. But he is also the most absent-minded guy I know. All of our friends make fun of him for it.

 

[OP84CC82]

Yeah, i could have sworn in the trailer he was bitten the rooom too.

Am i the only one not happy about the spider-sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upwf8RsyNqQ Yep, I was correct.

 

[Spider-Who?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upwf8RsyNqQ Yep, I was correct.

That shot is in the movie. They just hadn't added all the other spiders crawling all over him.

 

[Poeman]

- Pace was rushed, especially once Peter became Spidey
- Inconsistencies in setting up with how Peter eventually became Spider-man (bite, costume)
- Score was weak
- After credits scene was random
- Gaps in the plot (maybe answered in sequel)

 

[Mace Dolex]

- no mention of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility".

- Peter never catches the guy who shot Uncle Ben and that plot gets forgotten.

- alterations done to the suit for no apparent reason other than to sell more toys.

- no stand out music theme for Spider-Man.

 

[SpideyScott]

I'm telling all of you there is going to be a directors cut! (or at least I hope so)
There was so much stuff we've seen in clips/random footage/ trailers / set pics that weren't in the movie! The movie feels rushed cause they have to include everything to make screen time! It would make perfect sense to me to have a directors cut at least

 

[D4rkShaDoWz]

One major bug... (pun intended )

Peter uses bing to find information on his father.

WHAT? He's supposed to be smart and literally zero people I know use bing. The god awful product placement is cringe worthy.

Another thing that bothered me was the fact that Peter was never EVER curious in his 18 years of living to simply "Google" his parents name? It took him like two minutes to find out that the scientist who Richard Parker worked with was Curt Connors.

How they should have done it, imo, was have Peter find a newspaper article on ONLY Connors himself and have Richard Parker sort of hidden in the background, never mentioned in the article. I find it really crazy to believe that Peter was never curious in finding information about his parents until he sees that briefcase. I mean, I google my own name sometimes just for the heck of it.

 

[The Guard]

The movie clearly alludes to the fact that The Lizard had taken over Conners. "If the new DNA is introduced, how much would it overtake the host DNA?" Conners becomes hostile, of split mind, arguing with a second personality and then once the antidote is delivered reverts back to his normal self and saves Peter/tells the mysterious man in his cell to leave him alone. This disturbance is completely null at this point. The Lizard and Conners share the same body, but are of different minds. "This is your brain, this is your brain on lizard DNA."

The Lizard doesn't take over Connors...Connors BECOMES The Lizard. There is a difference. The movie certainly shows that The Lizard was driving some of Connor's actions, but the Lizard's motivations stemmed from Connor's desires. Like you said...they're sharing the same body. I don't think you can seperate the two like that.

I don't. Sorry. Well, not much of it to say the least.

The guy risks his life to stop The Lizard. That’s heroism.

He saves lives. That’s heroism.

Lol, hardly. We had seen the entire movie that the transformation is a timed one. Spidey webbed him up a lot and hit him with a bunch of things. The creature was impervious to bullet wounds, having his tail severed and all sorts of bodily damage. He wasn't defeated by ol' webhead, he was stalled from killing him for that point.

So in fact, The Lizard did not succeed? Ergo, Spidey won the battle. Spidey beat him, and Connors fled. That is a form of defeat.

And there your arrogance shows. Thank you for assuming and interpreting my own stance on what I personally view as heroic. I'm not looking for textbook heroism, I'm looking for a non-self absorbed kid who isn't saving people for thrills or out of guilt, I'm looking for his noble qualities to shine through. This is not a bad thing, nor is it textbook, it's simply a different ideal for a hero than your own.

My arrogance? Apologies. I assumed that when you used the word "heroism", you meant "heroism", not "My own personal version of heroism that conflicts with the actual definition of said word".

Here’s an idea: if something other than the accepted meaning of the word is what you’re looking for, don’t use a specific word, which has an accepted meaning and definition.

Use the words "I was looking for noble qualities to shine through".

Peter was only initially depicted as self absorbed as Spider-Man. From the bridge sequence on, he chose to use his powers to save innocent people and to stop The Lizard. He put himself in danger to investigate, confront and battle The Lizard three times. He got hurt doing it, and kept doing it. That strikes me as pretty noble.

Sorry that I can't appease you there. When he's with the child in the burning car Peter is genuinely caring. That's what I was looking for.

And that was in the film. He also clealry tried to reason with/reach Connors. So how can you say none of it was in the movie?

You could try to rebute me with a ton of instances where you thought he was a noble human being, but really, it'd be for naught as I've seen it, I enjoyed it, and yet I saw him as a more careless child driven by shame, guilt and anger.

And he was driven by shame, guilt and anger, at first. But he has an arc, and his character evolved beyond that.

No where am I saying he didn't do the right things. I saw the movie as ending it with his final revelation about why he should be doing the things he does, and expect him to be far more heroic in my own world view by the second movie.

I took the entire movie as a passage of self-discovery rather than realizing what he has to be responsible for right off the bat. It's still something I didn't like--yeesh.

The entire movie IS a path of self discovery, but the movie showed him recognizing responsibility to others than himself just after the halfway point, before his final few encounters with The Lizard.

Thus, as you say, it's all well and good to see the character differently. There is no issue here, it is a standpoint met with your inability to accept the fact that someone saw the film differently than yourself. I don't care and appreciate the fact you saw it your way, I'd humbly request that you do the same for my own.

You're welcome to "see it differently" if you want to. The script is written a certain away, and there are certain things the film flat out shows and tells us. Peter figured out he had responsbilities to those other than himself long before the end of the movie. The end of the movie did serve to solifidy his realization that he cannot involve those he cares about in his responsibilities.

Spiderman gets shot, leaves a handprint of blood on a rooftop.............. then what happened? No explanation?

Oh, I'm sure we’ll see the results of this in the sequel. Beyond the fact that it shows how hurt he was...he's left his DNA there.

1) Would of preferred them playing the Lizard's first appearance as a hoax.

They kind of did. When news of The Lizars first surfaced, that’s basically what Stacy implied. And the newspapers didn't know what to make of it.

Lizard is underdeveloped and not really connected to the main plot.

How on earth is he not connected to the main plot?

The main plot is about genetic manipulation. The Lizard is clealry relevant to this theme and story.

He did not have the heft or substance as a villain like Doc Ock, GG, or even Harry/New Goblin.

That's quite arguable.

Aunt May being largely absent

Give her a break. Her husband was killed.

 

[Chris M]

Generally the film was good - but there were moments where I just cringed.

- Conners moving into the sewers to do his work when he had the whole lab to himself. Seriously can ou think of a dumber idea?? Why not just go HOME! Why...errr.... so they can have a cool fight in the sewers of course.


- Directly after the sewer fight, Conners going to have a pointless fight with Parker in the school for no compelling reason other than....er.. have a fight in the school with all his friends in the scene. "And now I must kill Spiderman...mwahahahaha..." Really? Why? Just get back to work dude.


- Conners carefully explaining every step of his master plan in detail then leaving it on autoplay in a unguarded sewer location so anyone could stumble on it and know exactly what he was planning. Seriously he shouldd've been a James Bond villain.


- Conners deciding that his whole motivation was simply to turn everyone into a Lizard (seriously - that's it????)



- The Anti-Lizard-Antidote-Machine that conveniently reversed everything and acted like a microwave oven. *Ding* "Your antidote is cooked"


- The after credits scene that just screamed "We forgot to give the audience a payoff to the secret about Parkers parents that we spent sooo much time establishing in the 1st act then just completely dropped in the second half of the film....oh look lets just give them some cliched mysterious villain type guy instead....Mwahahahahahaha..." Ugh...seriously, no one cares who the faceless guy in the hat might be. You guys clearly dont know yet either and you're leaving it open for the sequel, so why even bother other than to remind us about the gaping bit of exposition you forgot to tie off.

The first half was great. Second half was just lazy.

 

[Micromind]

In this movie, some scenes looked like homages to Raimi movies, I wonder if that may be due to script writer Alvin Sargent's involvement ?

The Crane scene, the scene in sewers where Lizard finds out the secret Identity of Spider-Man by looking at the camera (Label saying "Property of Peter Parker")

Maybe they kept such scenes to please Raimi fans.

The movie felt like it had taken influences from four sources -Raimi trilogy, Batman Begins, 500 Days of Summer and Ultimate Spider-Man comics.

 

[Hotwire]

Generally the film was good - but there were moments where I just cringed.

- Conners moving into the sewers to do his work when he had the whole lab to himself. Seriously can ou think of a dumber idea?? Why not just go HOME! Why...errr.... so they can have a cool fight in the sewers of course.
Supervillain 101: Find secret lair. Preferably in a dark and deserted area. Sewers, warehouses, and caves are all prime real estate.

- Directly after the sewer fight, Conners going to have a pointless fight with Parker in the school for no compelling reason other than....er.. have a fight in the school with all his friends in the scene. "And now I must kill Spiderman...mwahahahaha..." Really? Why? Just get back to work dude.
Now I know who this guy is and since I was just trying to kill him, it really only makes sense to keep chasing him.

- Conners carefully explaining every step of his master plan in detail then leaving it on autoplay in a unguarded sewer location so anyone could stumble on it and know exactly what he was planning. Seriously he shouldd've been a James Bond villain.
Supervillain 101: Must at some point monologue your entire master plan to the hero.

- Conners deciding that his whole motivation was simply to turn everyone into a Lizard (seriously - that's it????)
Supervillain 101: If your super powers include a bizarre mutation, making the rest of the world just like you is a perfectly acceptable motivation for villainy. (I hope you also bash Bryan Singer for giving Magneto this same motivation in X-Men.)

- The Anti-Lizard-Antidote-Machine that conveniently reversed everything and acted like a microwave oven. *Ding* "Your antidote is cooked"
Superhero 101: Deus Ex Machina is always at your disposal.

- The after credits scene that just screamed "We forgot to give the audience a payoff to the secret about Parkers parents that we spent sooo much time establishing in the 1st act then just completely dropped in the second half of the film....oh look lets just give them some cliched mysterious villain type guy instead....Mwahahahahahaha..." Ugh...seriously, no one cares who the faceless guy in the hat might be. You guys clearly dont know yet either and you're leaving it open for the sequel, so why even bother other than to remind us about the gaping bit of exposition you forgot to tie off.

The first half was great. Second half was just lazy.

Touched on a few things for you. I'm guessing you've never even read a comic book or watched any superhero films.

 

[Chris M]

Touched on a few things for you. I'm guessing you've never even read a comic book or watched any superhero films.

You can refer to my sig for your answer to that one.

And your "Supervillain 101" points belong in Saturday morning cartoons. Which is exactly my point. While Connors was great - The Lizard was a two dimensional stereotype. An excuse for special FX without purpose.

 

[Hotwire]

- no mention of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility".

- Peter never catches the guy who shot Uncle Ben and that plot gets forgotten.

- alterations done to the suit for no apparent reason other than to sell more toys.

- no stand out music theme for Spider-Man.

-The concept of that statement is in there. They just didn't use the same line.
-It's not forgotten. The guy's wanted poster is still hanging in Peter's room at the end of the film. Peter got a little sidetracked what with his buddy Dr. Connors turning into a giant lizard-man and terrorizing the city. You may remember this happens shortly after he has that discussion with Cpt. Stacey.
-For f***'s sake! How about artistic interpretation? Every superhero film in recent memory has done it in some form or another. Get over it.
-While I can't recall the theme song/score from Raimi's trilogy, I can agree with you there. Very few films for me leave me remembering their score.

 

[Hit-Girl]

Touched on a few things for you. I'm guessing you've never even read a comic book or watched any superhero films.

Okay, so that means it's okay to cop out and do those things? They're still cliches and can be done poorly either way. They're not prerequisites.

 

[Hotwire]

You can refer to my sig for your answer to that one.

And your "Supervillain 101" points belong in Saturday morning cartoons. Which is exactly my point. While Connors was great - The Lizard was a two dimensional stereotype. An excuse for special FX without purpose.

They are all in the comics.

 

[Shazam]

I wasn't really feelng the whole espionage angle of his parents..i wats waiting for SHIELD to make a cameo...but i know it's in the comics.

My BIGGEST peeve:

The Spider-sense!

I thought the Raimi films did a piss poor job of showing it. The scene in the sewer where the Lizard is right above Spideys head, anyone....

Didnt you read my posts....?? I've been saying the same thing.

 

[Picard Sisko]

In this movie, some scenes looked like homages to Raimi movies, I wonder if that may be due to script writer Alvin Sargent's involvement ?

The Crane scene, the scene in sewers where Lizard finds out the secret Identity of Spider-Man by looking at the camera (Label saying "Property of Peter Parker")

Maybe they kept such scenes to please Raimi fans.

The movie felt like it had taken influences from four sources -Raimi trilogy, Batman Begins, 500 Days of Summer and Ultimate Spider-Man comics.

I mentioned this earlier how Peter says "You are a great dad, Uncle Ben." Reminded me of SM1 where he says "Stop pretending to be [my dad']"

 

[Hotwire]

Okay, so that means it's okay to cop out and do those things? They're still cliches and can be done poorly either way. They're not prerequisites.

No, it means the are simple facts of the comic book genre. Name one villain who hasn't monologued his plan. Find one that didn't have a hideout of some sort. These are all elements from the comics. Yet, for some reason, when they put these elements on film, people can't stop b****ing about them.

Let's look back at some of the most revered comic book films, shall we?

Batman '89 - Joker had his hideout in the abandoned Axis Chemicals where he worked on a formula to turn the citizens of Gotham into smiley faced dead people.

Spider-Man 2 - Doc Ock set up shop in a an abandoned warehouse where he ultimately told Spider-Man his master plan.

The Dark Knight - Joker spills his plan to Batman more than once.

X-Men - Magneto builds a machine to turn normal humans into mutants. Does this from his hideout in a cave. Ultimately monologues his plan.


Just a few examples but, you see my point.

 

[Hit-Girl]

No, it means the are simple facts of the comic book genre. Name one villain who hasn't monologued his plan. Find one that didn't have a hideout of some sort. These are all elements from the comics. Yet, for some reason, when they put these elements on film, people can't stop b****ing about them.

Let's look back at some of the most revered comic book films, shall we?

Batman '89 - Joker had his hideout in the abandoned Axis Chemicals where he worked on a formula to turn the citizens of Gotham into smiley faced dead people.

Spider-Man 2 - Doc Ock set up shop in a an abandoned warehouse where he ultimately told Spider-Man his master plan.

The Dark Knight - Joker spills his plan to Batman more than once.

X-Men - Magneto builds a machine to turn normal humans into mutants. Does this from his hideout in a cave. Ultimately monologues his plan.


Just a few examples but, you see my point.

I get your point, but there's ways of incorporating those things in a good, satisfying way. It's the same concept as a fight scene being a good one or a bad one. A good one will captivate you and keep you on the edge of your seat. A poor one will have you unintentionally laughing.

The Joker spilling his plan to Batman in TDKR was frightening, because of the writing and acting. The lizard was goofy throughout ASM. He had a power point presentation on his computer when he was the only person implementing his plans!

 

[Jexx]

My only issue was the pacing in the moments of where he's Peter Parker discovering his powers until he dons the suit. The whole webshooters development and suit making went by too fast. Could of been expanded for a minute or two more.