Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 2

[Donnie Darko]

what really makes me angry is that X-men, atleast in my opioin was the most popular team at marvel for years(what really got me into comics anyway) and now all of a sudden Avengers are big cause of the films and the X-men get the shaft because of it. I want it to go back to showing the X-Men as a family again and not punching bags to show how awesome the avengers are.

On top of all that, in this AvX series, we aren't even really getting much X-Men. It's either showing Avengers or Phoenix-powered/possessed X-Men, which isn't the same as actually having it be Avengers vs X-Men. It's a cop out. The whole Phoenix Five angle had a bit of "didn't see that coming" factor to it at first that was kind of cool, but it's worn itself out already.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Just read issue 10, thoughts below in the spoiler tag;

[BLACKOUT]I think it's pretty clear where we're headed now. Emma's going to lose her mind and Scott+the avengers are going to stop her. Not sure where Hope or Cable fit into the end of the event. With the solicitations for the fall released it's looking like the x-men are now going to be lead by wolverine and storm. No clue yet on the fate of magneto, namor, colossus, or even hope.

I still am absolutely baffled by how Hope has acted this entire event. The x-men have given everything to ensure her survival from the time she was born and yet it's very easy for her to completely forget all that and turn her back on mutants to side with the avengers "because I want to". She event went so far as to accuse cyclops of detroying people's lives in this issue. I genuinely have no idea what she's referring to.

Also, I'm so blown away by the characterization of the avengers. They're coming across as completely incompetent. I'm still not sure what their motivation in this event is/was (stopping the end of the world?) or why they seem to think that cyclops has lost his mind when he, of all the P5 has given no indication of that being the case.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[BoredGuy]

Well when the other 4 Phoenixes went bugf**kin crazy, I guess it was logical for the Avengers to assume the same for Cyclops

 

[Doomed_hero]

not sure this has been done anywhere(doubtiful) but it would be cool to explore Scott's ability to control the pheonix due to his connection to Jean and him trying for years to control his own optic blast. But that would require you know actully researching the character.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the P5 get sent back in time to replace the O5 who get shot to present day. Why the hell not.

 

[Manic]

[BLACKOUT]I still am absolutely baffled by how Hope has acted this entire event. The x-men have given everything to ensure her survival from the time she was born and yet it's very easy for her to completely forget all that and turn her back on mutants to side with the avengers "because I want to". She event went so far as to accuse cyclops of detroying people's lives in this issue. I genuinely have no idea what she's referring to. [/BLACKOUT]

I think it's worth noting that Hope has been very bitter at Scott ever since Second Coming. During that event, he sent all these people off to die for her sake without putting his own life on the line. To top it off, she blames him for Cable's death because Scott was the one who sent him through the portal that killed him.

Also, from Hope's perspective, she barely knows the X-Men. They might have been doing a lot for her since she was born, but she only remembers being raised by Cable in a million different eras, then coming to the early 21st century where she's surrounded by a bunch of people who are too afraid to talk or interact with her because she's supposed to be some kind of god-figure. God knows Scott never even attempted to forge some kind of friendship or trust with Hope, and that girl is running around with the Summers name.

 

[Havok83]

The last issue was awful. The event needs to end already

Just read issue 10, thoughts below in the spoiler tag;

[BLACKOUT]I think it's pretty clear where we're headed now. Emma's going to lose her mind and Scott+the avengers are going to stop her. Not sure where Hope or Cable fit into the end of the event. With the solicitations for the fall released it's looking like the x-men are now going to be lead by wolverine and storm. No clue yet on the fate of magneto, namor, colossus, or even hope.

I still am absolutely baffled by how Hope has acted this entire event. The x-men have given everything to ensure her survival from the time she was born and yet it's very easy for her to completely forget all that and turn her back on mutants to side with the avengers "because I want to". She event went so far as to accuse cyclops of detroying people's lives in this issue. I genuinely have no idea what she's referring to.

Also, I'm so blown away by the characterization of the avengers. They're coming across as completely incompetent. I'm still not sure what their motivation in this event is/was (stopping the end of the world?) or why they seem to think that cyclops has lost his mind when he, of all the P5 has given no indication of that being the case.[/BLACKOUT]

Ive defended Scott for a bulk of this story but he acted absolutely crazy in this issue. Hope not wanting to side with him makes sense considering his behavior. Granted the Phoenix' power is corrupting him but before he had it, he was all about letting her make her own choices and guiding her. Now he is about control and wanting to force her to do be on his side. The P5 were fine at first but they've grown ugly and are clear villians here.

[BLACKOUT]
As for you speculating that Scott and the Avengers are going to stop a crazed Emma, dont be so sure. I thought this last issue made it clear that Scott is going to stop her for his own selfish motives and thats to steal her power. Hope weakened him and the Watcher said that shouldnt have happened. "he needs more power, he needs Emma" We have seen that as the P5 fall, the power gets absorbed into the remaining members. Scott will most likely try to take her out to make himself all powerful and the Avengers and X-men will team up to stop him. Mark my words, thats how I see #12 going down
[/BLACKOUT]

Oh and of course its not AvX unless you get the obligatory Thor beatdown. Courtesy of today's Avengers 29

 

[jonathancrane]

Thor: God of Blunder

 

[Manic]

Was that a non-Phoenix'd Rachel who took him out there? That's slightly too powerful for her.

 

[Panthro]

F*** Namor

 

[Havok83]

Was that a non-Phoenix'd Rachel who took him out there? That's slightly too powerful for her.

yes she had no Phoenix powers. To be fair this is a re-enactment of an earlier fight but this time told from the Avengers perspective. I really hate how out of sync these issues are. The continuity doesnt match up at all with when issues are released

 

[Panthro]

yes she had no Phoenix powers. To be fair this is a re-enactment of an earlier fight but this time told from the Avengers perspective. I really hate how out of sync these issues are. The continuity doesnt match up at all with when issues are released

Apparently continuity means nothing to modern writers, being the jerks that they are.

 

[runawayboulder]

Thor: God of Blunder

lmao

 

[Havok83]

Wow Thor fans may want to avoid this. Apparently he got two beatdowns today. The first one wasnt the only one

Spoiler

ETA: This one apparently supposed to be a simulation so I guess its not so bad

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Can we have a "How long did you make it through AvX before dropping it?" thread when this event is over?

 

[runawayboulder]

I'm in it to the finish at this point but yeah, it's been pretty awful.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm in it to the finish at this point but yeah, it's been pretty awful.

I don't think that it's awful, just lazy. As a matter in fact, I think that the sheer laziness of this event saves it. I even thought up of an entire scenario of how it came about.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

You can't just say that and not share it.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I just can't believe that the best creative minds at marvel sat down and THIS, THIS is what we got.

 

[Panthro]

It's lazy and awful. Like Star Wars prequel/Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull awful. Like Halle Berry Catwoman awful.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I really thought that we'd get some kind of payoff to the whole house of M, Hope, Utopia plot lines but we just got....THIS. The only good thing is hopefully by this time next year, it'll all be undone.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You can't just say that and not share it.

Sorry , I was just thinking one day and I imagined the conversation going like this:

Spoiler

MARVEL EDITORIAL: Okay guys, it's that time for another event and it has to be an Avengers based event. Brian get to it!

BENDIS: God dammit, I always have to do these things. Get Matt to do it!

FRACTION: Hell no! I just did the last one and the fans still hate me for it. Get Ed to do it.

BRUBAKER: LOL!

BENDIS: Well god dammit guys, we need to come up with something!

FRACTION: I got it! How about we all just sit down and work together and do it. Instead of writing seven or eight issues, we only have to write three or four!

BENDIS: That's brilliant! But to make it even better, let's get Jason and Jon on board so that way we can work even less!

HICKMAN and AARON: ****!!!

BRUBAKER: Oh what the hell, it's not like I'll be working with you guys much longer anyways. So what is this stupid thing going to be about?

FRACTION: In order for us to put in as little effort as possible, let's just rehash Civil War!

AARON: But won't people notice?

BENDIS: Let's just have the Avengers fight the X-Men, that will make it different enough.

MARVEL EDITORIAL: Perfect!

 

[roach]

You think thats lazy

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/First-Look-A-PLUS-X-NOW-Poster.html

 

[Havok83]

Man I really hate Marvel right now. This crossover and the stuff that appears to be following it reak of just bad fan fiction


AvX mini reviews from IGN

Avengers vs. X-Men #10

Written by Ed Brubaker | Art by Adam Kubert
"Avengers vs. X-Men #9 was easily one of the high points of what has been a frustratingly uneven event overall. Unfortunately, that burst of improvement turned out to be short-lived. Issue #10 loses much of the momentum that had been built up coming into Act 3. This is one of those chapters that makes you wonder whether Avengers vs. X-Men really needed 12 issues to be told in the first place." -Jesse
Click to read the entire review!
Final Score:
5.5


The Avengers #29

Written by Brian Bendis | Art by Walt Simonson
"This issue takes place before Avengers vs. X-Men number eight! That makes this the second Avengers issue in a row to occur in the past, considering that we are now at chapter 10 of the event. When some time has passed this will hardly seem to have mattered, but being a weekly comic reader -- as many of us are -- it kills the momentum of the crossover and makes this brand new comic book feel like yesterday’s news." -Joshua
Click to read the entire review!
Final Score:
5.0

 

[Panthro]

Man I really hate Marvel right now. This crossover and the stuff that appears to be following it reak of just bad fan fiction


AvX mini reviews from IGN

Avengers vs. X-Men #10

Written by Ed Brubaker | Art by Adam Kubert
"Avengers vs. X-Men #9 was easily one of the high points of what has been a frustratingly uneven event overall. Unfortunately, that burst of improvement turned out to be short-lived. Issue #10 loses much of the momentum that had been built up coming into Act 3. This is one of those chapters that makes you wonder whether Avengers vs. X-Men really needed 12 issues to be told in the first place." -Jesse
Click to read the entire review!
Final Score:
5.5


The Avengers #29

Written by Brian Bendis | Art by Walt Simonson
"This issue takes place before Avengers vs. X-Men number eight! That makes this the second Avengers issue in a row to occur in the past, considering that we are now at chapter 10 of the event. When some time has passed this will hardly seem to have mattered, but being a weekly comic reader -- as many of us are -- it kills the momentum of the crossover and makes this brand new comic book feel like yesterday’s news." -Joshua
Click to read the entire review!
Final Score:
5.0

Bad fan fiction indeed. Much like Civil War.