Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 2

[JewishHobbit]

If I had to do an essential, chronological Onslaught lead-in read order:

Uncanny X-Men 287 (I think... the one with the Jean video)
X-Men 25
Uncanny X-Men 322
Wolverine 92
Uncanny X-Men 327
X-Man 10
X-Men 50
X-Men Unlimited 10
X-Men Unlimited 11
Cable 32-33
X-Men 53
Uncanny X-Men 334
X-Men 54
Onslaught: X-Men


There were others but they were minor, like X-Men 48-49, Uncanny X-Men 333, and X-Force 46-47, 52

 

[runawayboulder]

In one of those comics on the Bullpen Bulletins page they had a chronological list for Impact books and Phase books.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I remember it wasn't the most chronologically accurate though. I have a list that I made after extensive research on my computer somewhere. Give me a minute and I'll find it.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Here it is. It only included the main parts and X-related tie-ins (minus Excalibur 100 and X-Force 58, which were barely tie-ins). Other non-X-Men tie-ins that weren't important would likely be placed between Cable 35 and X-Man 19.

Onslaught: Marvel Universe
Uncanny X-Men 335
Wolverine 104
Cable 34
Incredible Hulk 444
Avengers 401
Fantastic Four 415
X-Factor 125-126
X-Man 18
X-Force 57
X-Men 55
Uncanny X-Men 336
Cable 35
X-Men Unlimited 12
X-Man 19
Fantastic Four 416
Wolverine 105
X-Men 56
Onslaught: Marvel Universe

 

[The Englishman]

That's the issue I was thinking of...but for some reason I thought that Bishop was involved.

Bishop burst into Xaviers bedroom and tried to kill Gateway who had transported the other 4 to Post world I think...

 

[Spider-Nerd]

At least Reed hasn't completely lost his mind.

http://henchman4hire.com/2012/08/12/avengers-vs-x-men-vs-fantastic-four/

 

[Panthro]

At least Reed hasn't completely lost his mind.

http://henchman4hire.com/2012/08/12/avengers-vs-x-men-vs-fantastic-four/

Yay Reed.

 

[Manic]

It's always a tie-in where some writer involved has the balls to subtly point out the flaws in the plot of the main series.

 

[Panthro]

It's always a tie-in where some writer involved has the balls to subtly point out the flaws in the plot of the main series.

Giving the tie ins some measure of credibility.

 

[Mad Ones]

What Reed said is amazing. That's exactly how I feel about the Avengers, and the story in general. That's why, after everything is said and done, no one will be able to say Captain America was right all along.

 

[roach]

I dont think anyone was right all along

 

[JewishHobbit]

And yet, no one is saying... "Go Bendis!" who wrote that scene.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's always a tie-in where some writer involved has the balls to subtly point out the flaws in the plot of the main series.

Because the tie-ins have the luxury of not being 100% plot-driven. It'd be lovely if Captain America could stop, look at the fact that the Avengers are literally the only ones causing any trouble in the Phoenix Five's new utopia, and consider that maybe he should just hang up the shield and see how it goes. Be watchful, sure, and maybe plan contingencies, but at least he could have the time and peace to do that if he weren't also actively fighting the Phoenix Five every chance he gets. Because that's a smart tactical move that Cap should see. But then AvX would come to a screeching halt and it'd turn into something entirely different, so Cap puts on his plot-induced stupidity hat and goes back to getting his ass kicked.

 

[Manic]

Something about the Phoenix Force causes people to do the dumbest s*** when it isn't harming anyone.


Shi'ar Junior Officer: "Sir, it appears the Phoenix Force recently emerged on Earth, saved a few million lives, and then its host almost immediately died."
Shi'ar Commander: "Right. Set course for Earth, exhume the body, and resurrect it so we can kill it."

That is the plot to Phoenix: Endsong, and it was still better than AvX.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

And yet, no one is saying... "Go Bendis!" who wrote that scene.

Go Bendis!


Actually I really don't get the Bendis hate, but the only books I've ever read written by him (outside of the AvX main series) is ultimate spider-man and I really enjoyed that book.

 

[runawayboulder]

Go Bendis!


Actually I really don't get the Bendis hate, but the only books I've ever read written by him (outside of the AvX main series) is ultimate spider-man and I really enjoyed that book.

Which is why you don't get all the Bendis hate. You've never read the crap stuff.

 

[Anubis]

He probably still wouldn't get it, cuz chances are he never read Avengers Pre Bendis.

 

[runawayboulder]

That's how I feel about most people that love Bendisvengers. They probably never read the Stern, Harras, Busiek or Johns issues so they wouldn't understand why he's been a pain in my ass.

 

[Anubis]

Ignorance is bliss I guess....or ignorance means you don't know that what you're reading is actually fancy colored butt wipe!

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Preview for AvX 11 was just posted at CBR. "Dear Avengers, we were all so wrong, please save us from ourselves. We are not worthy of being." - Love, The X-men.

 

[javi1024]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40859

I love Coipel's art, but what's with him always give his males like gorilla faces. It looks like he lined up all the men and smacked them all in the head with a frying pan.

And it's times like this I really miss how the writers would write in a third person point of view like back in the day. That conversation with Cyclops got me think that the entire event, especially the main series, could have benefited from an omniscent point of view letting us know what everyone was thinking. A lot of the tie-ins do a good job, but we still don't know how much of the Scott is left inside the Phoenix at this point. He tells Magneto (and spoilers just in case) [BLACKOUT]"I'm not like you. I'm winning"[/BLACKOUT]. Is that Scott Summer, the leader of the mutant race, or Cyclops, the self-appointed savior of Earth.

 

[roach]

...or Charlie Sheen

 

[Spider-Nerd]

God I hate this event.

 

[javi1024]

...or Charlie Sheen

It's said that I thought the same thing after reading the preview.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40859

I love Coipel's art, but what's with him always give his males like gorilla faces. It looks like he lined up all the men and smacked them all in the head with a frying pan.

And it's times like this I really miss how the writers would write in a third person point of view like back in the day. That conversation with Cyclops got me think that the entire event, especially the main series, could have benefited from an omniscent point of view letting us know what everyone was thinking. A lot of the tie-ins do a good job, but we still don't know how much of the Scott is left inside the Phoenix at this point. He tells Magneto (and spoilers just in case) [BLACKOUT]"I'm not like you. I'm winning"[/BLACKOUT]. Is that Scott Summer, the leader of the mutant race, or Cyclops, the self-appointed savior of Earth.

The Phoenix is just magnifying Scott's emotions, isn't it? He was already moving into extremist territory with his increased militarism, disregard for human life, and abandonment of Xavier's dream. The Phoenix is just pushing him further in that direction so that now he's a crazy totalitarian dictator behind a thin veneer of altruism. Yeah, the Phoenix Five are helping the world, but cross them and Cyclops will hunt your ass down with extreme prejudice. Now he's lost 3/5ths of his fellow Phoenixes, so he's got desperation on top of that, which just pushes him more into extreme territory.

Captain America, on the other hand, doesn't really have the luxury of that excuse. He's just been a dick throughout this event.