Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 2

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I'll never understand why Jean fans have to blame everything wrong with the X-Men books on Emma.

- Attempting to blackmail her own father over affairs with his mistress? (Emma Frost #4)

- Using her powers to cheat at poker at an offshore casino? (Emma Frost #8)

- Heading back to the same casino and trying to steal from it by making an empty chip tray appear as if it had five thousand dollars in chips on it? (Emma Frost #9)

- Allowing herself to be “kidnapped” to pay off her first boyfriend, Troy Killkelly's debts to a loan shark named Lucien Goff with the “ransom” paid for by her father? (Emma Frost #10)

- Using her powers to get the kidnappers to kill each other, or leave them to be arrested, while collecting the $160,000 “ransom” her father paid, and keeping it herself? (Emma Frost #12)

- Kissing her former high school teacher, and college professor, Ian Kendall, knowing that he was romantically involved with her roommate, Christine McDermott? (Emma Frost #17)

- Using her powers to put her first mentor, Astrid Bloom, into a coma? (Emma Frost #18)*

- Using her powers to help defend Ian Kendall from being charged with improper relationships with a student, by using her powers to make Christine McDermott to turn into a raving lunatic? (Emma Frost #18)

- Using faked invitations to move among society’s elite, and pick business secrets out of their minds to use for her own benefit? (Generation X: Minus One)

- Telepathically restoring the mind of the Dark Beast, and in spite of seeing the horrible acts he’d done, aiding him with her growing fortune, and setting him up a new lab to help her advance her powers and provide her with advanced technology? (Generation X: Minus One)

- After auditioning to be a Hellfire Club dancer through her connection to Harry Leland, getting cosmetic surgery and using her sexual wiles as the “Perfect Ice Queen. The Dominatrix from Hell” to rise in the Club’s ranks? ((New X-Men (vol. 1) #139, Classic X-Men #34) *

- Deliberately bankrupting her Hellfire Club rival, Biance LaNiege? (revealed in Generation X #48 )

- Using her powers to psionically force the White King of the Hellfire Club’s Council of the Chosen to shoot each member of the council, including Paris Seville, his own White Queen, and then himself? (Classic X-Men #7)*

- Trying to recruit Kitty Pryde out from under Professor X and the X-Men, and then ambushing them while they tried to recruit her in turn? (Uncanny X-Men #129)

- Working in tandem with Mastermind to try and corrupt the Phoenix into becoming the new Black Queen of the Hellfire Club? (Uncanny X-Men #127-132) *

- Psychically torturing Storm, and attempting to completely mind-wipe her (interrupted by Phoenix before she could) (Uncanny X-Men #131)

- Telepathically forcing the Prydes to transfer Shadowcat to the Massachusetts Academy? (Uncanny X-Men #151)

- Using a device to switch bodies with Storm, and offering her new body immediately to Sebastian Shaw, passionately kissing him? (Uncanny X-Men #151-152)*

- Kidnapping the New Mutants, and reneging on a supposed deal to grant them their freedom if Jetstream could beat Cannonball in a competition over who had better mastery over their flight powers (Uncanny X-Men #180, New Mutants (vol. 1) #15-17)

- Recruiting Angelica Jones, Firestar, to the Massachusetts Academy, and deceiving her into thinking her powers were out of control by staging several “accidents”, including burning down the barn where her horse, Butter Rum was being kept, killing it? - ( Firestar #1-4)*

- Ordering the death of Randall Chase, and trying to frame Selene for it, in the hopes that Firestar would use her powers to avenge him, and kill the Black Queen for her? (Firestar #1-4)

- Psi-blasting and then choking Empath, one of her students? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #26)

- Kidnapping the New Mutants a second time, using Empath to convince Magneto to release them to her custody? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #38-39)

- Asking the Snow Valley police call in the Avengers to detain Magneto for trying to “kidnap her students” when he tried to retrieve the New Mutants from her. (New Mutants (vol. 1) #40)

- Having Empath subtly influence the emotions of Magma to get her to join the Hellions so she could use the relationship to better cement ties with Magma’s father and further her business interests in the Amazon. (New Mutants (vol. 1) #53-54, 57, 62)

- Manipulating Magneto and Sebastian Shaw into a feud, and then voting Shaw out of the Hellfire Club after he lost a duel to Magneto. (New Mutants (vol. 1) #74-75)

- Trying to settle a bet with Selene by competing for the affections of Chet Andrews, a Hellfire Club Guard. Then, when trying to use her powers to their fullest to sway his heart at the same time as Selene, causing his head to literally explode in confusion about which one to choose? (X-Men Unlimited (vol. 1) #33)

- Tipping off Freedom Force about how Firestar still needed to sign the Mutant Registration Act?(Marvel Comics Presents (vol. 1) #78)

- Using her powers to switch bodies with Iceman? (Uncanny X-Men #311-314)

- Kicking Leech, a child, in the head to be able to access her powers when being threatened by Gene Nation? (Generation X #7)

- Using her powers to get the police to forget Generation X, and allow them to take Synch back into custody? (Generation X #15)

- Using her powers to force Banshee to obey her command to land? (Generation X #16)

- Using her powers to force Banshee to step out of the door of a plane in mid-flight, then kidnapping half of Generation X, taking them to Canada, and trying to keep them psionically docile while Onslaught attacked? (Generation X #18-19)

- To gain sympathy, lying to Generation X, and telling them her parents put her in an asylum, and she used her developing powers to overwhelm the guards and burn it down to escape (which may have been based off of the life of her brother Christian, or Astrid Bloom)? (Generation X #24 )

- Telepathically knocking out Banshee in an attempt to barter with Emplate and give him Penance to feed upon in exchange for the locations of the rest of Generation X? (Generation X #30-31)

- Punching Banshee in the face to assert dominance at the Mass. Academy? (Generation X #34)

- Killing her sister Adrienne, then mindwiping, or possibly killing the investigating detective to get away with it? (Generation X #70, 75)*

- Teaching the Cuckoos to upload pornographic images into the minds of celebrities? (New X-Men (vol. 1) #118)

- Making an assembled press corps at the gate of Xavier's School pass out from bliss? (New X-Men (vol. 1) #118)

- Working to trick Cassandra Nova into being trapped in the body of the Shi’ar Imperial Guardsman, Stuff? (New X-Men (vol. 1) #126)

- Experimenting with the drug, Kick? (admits to it in (New X-Men (vol. 1) #135)

- Allowing students to gang up and attack Sage and Bishop for her approval? (X-Treme X-Men #20)

- "Outing" a mutant, Douglas Hutchinson, at his own wedding in front of his assembled guests? (X-Men Unlimited (vol. 2) #4)

- Turning all the animals in the diamond manufacturing facility of Kristal Van Helden upon her men, killing them, and then impaling Van Helden upon a huge spike of diamond? (X-Men Unlimited (vol. 1) #42)

- Beginning a telepathic affair with Cyclops? ( New X-Men (vol. 1) Annual 2001, New X-Men (vol. 1) #128, 131, 139 )*

- Kissing Cyclops for the first time at Jean’s gravesite? (New X-Men (vol. 1) #154-156)

- Calling Rachel Summers a “stupid cow” after she was struck out in by her in the bottom of the ninth with 2 out in a game of baseball in front of most of the assembled residents of Xavier’s? (Uncanny X-Men #444)

- Refusing to turn Wither over to authorities to face trial for the death of his father? ( New X-Men (vol. 2) #5)

- Firing Dani Moonstar after she lost her powers after M-Day? ( New X-Men (vol. 2) #20)

- Only naming Surge the head of the New X-Men as a way to spite Hellion, who turned the job down? ( New X-Men (vol. 2) #24)

- Trying to send all the depowered mutants away from Xavier’s, leading to their being blown up on a bus by the Purifiers? ( New X-Men (vol. 2) #24)

- Continuously trying to push X-23 out of the mansion for being a clone, and a killing machine? ( New X-Men (vol. 2) #33)

- Erasing Kimura’s memories of the only person she loved, her grandmother? ( New X-Men (vol. 2) #36)

- Promising Danger it would get Professor X in exchange for its help against the Breakworlders? - (Astonishing X-Men #24)

- Telepathically knocking out Jamie Madrox, not allowing him to find a way to use Forge’s machine to rescue Layla Miller from a future concentration camp? (X-Factor (vol. 3) #27)


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Wow. That's a whole lot of work that I'm not even gonna read.

Haters gonna hate.

I love Jean. I love Emma. It's possibly to like both. And there are a great many things wrong with the X-Men books. Most of them trickle down to writing and not any single character on the team.
 
they'll probably make her crazy
 
Good lord, did you have to whip out that list again? Most of that has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the X-books today
 
I was pointing out that she is evil. And are you paying for every word or something?


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You wanna blame someone for destroying the X-Me books? Blame the writers. Blame Morrison, Fraction, Claremont, and hell even Whedon and Aaron.

It's not a single character's fault that the books are a damn mess.
 
I was pointing out that she is evil. And are you paying for every word or something?


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you quoted a post about Jean fans blaming her for everything thats wrong in the X-books. Her past evilness has little to do with the current state of the X-line, especially considering it hasnt been relevant to most of the stories or Emma herself, considering she was redeemed almost 2 decades ago.

Emma hasn't been evil since 1996. Time to wake up and smell the Folgers coffee.
More like 1991, which was the last story written with her as a villian
 
Evil Free since 1996!


Hilarious. I suppose I should forgive Dr. Doom for skinning his true love and wearing her skin. I mean that was way back in 2000. I can't think of anything truly horrible that he's done. I mean he did banish Franklin Richards to Hell but he helped Reed since then so everything is cool.


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Evil Free since 1996!


Hilarious. I suppose I should forgive Dr. Doom for skinning his true love and wearing her skin. I mean that was way back in 2000. I can't think of anything truly horrible that he's done. I mean he did banish Franklin Richards to Hell but he helped Reed since then so everything is cool.


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Has he consistently been a hero for nearly 2 decades, fighting alongside the Fantastic Four and currently serving as a member for over 10 years? If so then maybe you should forgive him and move on
 
And if you're going to hold that over Emma. That she was once evil.

Let's not be a hypocrite and also hold it over Rogue, Hawkeye, Black Cat, Black Widow, Bucky, Gambit, Songbird, Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver as well shall we?
 
Jean Grey never really even had a personality, did she? In everything I've seen her in she is nothing but a prize to be won by either Cyclops or Wolverine.

If they insist on bringing her back I hope they don't have Scott try and get back with her. We've seen enough of Scott moping over Jean, dead or alive.

Leave Scott with Emma and put Jean with Logan. Judging by the movies and cartoons that's what they want anyway. BECUZ WOLVERINE IZ TEH AWESUMS!!!

If they kill off Emma and bring back Jean... screw that.
 
Jean Grey never really even had a personality, did she? In everything I've seen her in she is nothing but a prize to be won by either Cyclops or Wolverine.

If they insist on bringing her back I hope they don't have Scott try and get back with her. We've seen enough of Scott moping over Jean, dead or alive.

Leave Scott with Emma and put Jean with Logan. Judging by the movies and cartoons that's what they want anyway. BECUZ WOLVERINE IZ TEH AWESUMS!!!

If they kill off Emma and bring back Jean... screw that.

I'd recommend reading some of the original X-Factor...she had a personality
 
Jean Grey never really even had a personality, did she? In everything I've seen her in she is nothing but a prize to be won by either Cyclops or Wolverine.
I think you need to read more Jean stories
 
Yeah, Jean was great under the hand of Louise Simonson. Hell, all the original X-Men were great. I loved that run and I wish that that was the run that writers would look to whenever handling Scott and Jean.
 
Jean Grey never really even had a personality, did she? In everything I've seen her in she is nothing but a prize to be won by either Cyclops or Wolverine.

In other words, "I've only seen Jean in the 90's animated series and live action movies."
 
In other words, "I've only seen Jean in the 90's animated series and live action movies."

hey thats how the current writers are operating...."Phoenix is evil"
 
In other words, "I've only seen Jean in the 90's animated series and live action movies."

In the comics I've read with her in them (admittedly not much) her personality was defined by being Cyke's girlfriend or Phoenix. This feeling only increases when you watch the movies and cartoons. So for the general public she is defined by her relationship with Scott (and Wolverine) and the Phoenix.

The animated series never really gave me much reason to like her either. X-Men Evolution was the most I've ever liked her character.

And the less said about the movies the better.

Jean died before I got into the comics, so maybe that's why I've never really connected to the character in the comics. I'm only 21 and she died what, 10 years ago?

I also find it amusing how many people are across the internet are praising Marvel and the idea of bringing Jean Grey back, when everyone bashed the hell out of DC for bringing back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen.
 
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Jean Grey is The Phoenix. She's the one who made dieing and coming back a thing in comics. Plus Emma is no Wally or Kyle.


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There were people bashing DC for the return of Hal Jordan? Because I was thrilled.
 
There were people bashing DC for the return of Hal Jordan? Because I was thrilled.

Fans will bash anything and everything. I was thrilled too; I never really cared about the other Lanterns.
 
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Hal Jordan is a bore.

The only thing worse than Hal Jordan is John Stewart.
 
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