Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 2

[Anubis]

Ugh, Filthy Muties.

 

[Franklin Richards]

 

[JewishHobbit]

Heh, old school.

 

[runawayboulder]

You don't see promos like that anymore....

 

[Havok83]

Lol that kid could have been Franklin Richards. Have the FF ever shown any vested interest considering their son is one?

 

[runawayboulder]

Lol that kid could have been Feanklin Richards. Have the FF ever shown any vested interest considering their son is one?

It is supposed to be Franklin.

 

[Havok83]

It is supposed to be Franklin.

then I guess that makes my question even more poignant. Did the FF ever have an issue with their child being used in a racist campaign fueled by hate and bigotry?

 

[Franklin Richards]

Most of the public probably doesn't know that Franklin is a mutant. It seems that the anti-mutant factions tend to leave him alone too. I suppose it's not worth it to them. I would like to see some sort of arc where some hack from the Daily Bugle goes on a campaign against the Richards Kids. Would be a hoot.

 

[Havok83]

Most of the public probably doesn't know that Franklin is a mutant. It seems that the anti-mutant factions tend to leave him alone too. I suppose it's not worth it to them. I would like to see some sort of arc where some hack from the Daily Bugle goes on a campaign against the Richards Kids. Would be a hoot.

But have they themselves ever been shown to have an issue with the bigotry and hate towards mutants. Have they ever spoken up in defense of mutants considering it has implications on Franklin's future. Im asking bc I dont read FF books so have no idea. Onslaught seems to be the most significant story dealing with him as a mutant but I dont know if thats been touched up on more in the FF books

 

[roach]

You don't see promos like that anymore....

what was that a promo for....Mutant Massacre??? Fall of the Mutants???

 

[Havok83]

what was that a promo for....Mutant Massacre??? Fall of the Mutants???

 

[javi1024]

Most of the public probably doesn't know that Franklin is a mutant. It seems that the anti-mutant factions tend to leave him alone too. I suppose it's not worth it to them. I would like to see some sort of arc where some hack from the Daily Bugle goes on a campaign against the Richards Kids. Would be a hoot.

I can't believe after all this time there hasn't been a story like that.

 

[roach]

man that was some good times in comics

 

[Havok83]

man that was some good times in comics

here's more

Spoiler

 

[roach]

thats my childhood right there

 

[runawayboulder]

There were 2 other Inferno promos featuring 3 characters, one had Mr. Sinister, N'Astirh and S'ym (drawn by Silvestri) and the other had Scott, Jean and Madelyne (possibly Silvestri again but maybe Walt Simonson).

 

[Havok83]

Im pretty sure the one with Scott and his women was drawn by Simonson. I have it on my home PC and would post it if I was on it

 

[runawayboulder]

It looks like there was a 4th one as well with Archangel, Baby Cable and Rachel Summers. It's a small pic but it does appear that Simonson did do the Scott/Jean/Maddie one.

http://www.amazon.com/Uncanny-Inferno-Marvel-Comics-Dealer/dp/images/B001R2UA3W

 

[roach]

this is what I miss about that era of comics...events didn't come out of no where...the books built up to them...and then every book had its storyline in the event. Take Fall of the Mutants which in Uncanny was the build up of the prophecy that the X-men would die in Dallas....in X-Factor it was the team facing off against Apocalypse and the Angel of Death....in New Mutants it was the death of Doug Ramsie.
When the books led into Inferno we had the inevitable fight of X-factor vs X-men. The fight was natural coming out of the books as opposed to the event causing the fight.

 

[Havok83]

Stuff may have been better written back then but I wouldn’t say the events today come out of nowhere. The backbone behind AvX has been brewing for YEARS. This is a culmination in years worth of story, going back to Dissassembled for the Avengers and House of M and its aftermath for the X-men. A good chunk of the major events in the X-world since have been building up to this. Messiah Complex, Messiah War, Second Coming, Schism….that has all shaped the landscape for the X-men and where they are coming from with this current struggle.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, but they were still better back then because it mattered. Lead up means absolutely nothing if the payoff is only a temporary payoff. When it matters it lasts. I mean, how much from Fall of the Mutants and Inferno and other such events are still effecting comics to this day? How much is Civil War or Secret Invasion or Siege or Fear Itself effecting today? Pretty much nothing. Some exceptions are Disassembled, House of M, Messiah Complex, and Second Coming (pretty much everything leading to Avengers vs. X-Men).

How many deaths actually matter these days? I can't think of any. Yeah, there's some dead characters still but we dont care because we know they can be brought back at any point now. Jean and Banshee come to mind. Death means squat.

So yeah, event-wise, and really line-wide in general, things were better then because it mattered. Nothing matters these days.

 

[Franklin Richards]

But have they themselves ever been shown to have an issue with the bigotry and hate towards mutants. Have they ever spoken up in defense of mutants considering it has implications on Franklin's future. Im asking bc I dont read FF books so have no idea. Onslaught seems to be the most significant story dealing with him as a mutant but I dont know if thats been touched up on more in the FF books

There have been a couple of instances where Gyrich has showed up at the Baxter and implied something along the lines of what you're suggesting. If I remember correctly Reed returned the implications with a veiled threat about a computer virus that would return the U.S. to the 1940's.

In Reed's defense he doesn't think of Mutants as another race. Science says that mutations are just that. A mutation. The genus and species are still the same in every life form.

So in his struggle to make mankind better, he lumps mutants in with everyone else.

 

[flash13]

I was uninterested in Uncanny Avengers at first, then I saw that John Cassaday would be on the art. Now I'll definitely be checking it out.

 

[runawayboulder]

this is what I miss about that era of comics...events didn't come out of no where...the books built up to them...and then every book had its storyline in the event. Take Fall of the Mutants which in Uncanny was the build up of the prophecy that the X-men would die in Dallas....in X-Factor it was the team facing off against Apocalypse and the Angel of Death....in New Mutants it was the death of Doug Ramsie.
When the books led into Inferno we had the inevitable fight of X-factor vs X-men. The fight was natural coming out of the books as opposed to the event causing the fight.

Stuff may have been better written back then but I wouldn’t say the events today come out of nowhere. The backbone behind AvX has been brewing for YEARS. This is a culmination in years worth of story, going back to Dissassembled for the Avengers and House of M and its aftermath for the X-men. A good chunk of the major events in the X-world since have been building up to this. Messiah Complex, Messiah War, Second Coming, Schism….that has all shaped the landscape for the X-men and where they are coming from with this current struggle.

Yeah, but they were still better back then because it mattered. Lead up means absolutely nothing if the payoff is only a temporary payoff. When it matters it lasts. I mean, how much from Fall of the Mutants and Inferno and other such events are still effecting comics to this day? How much is Civil War or Secret Invasion or Siege or Fear Itself effecting today? Pretty much nothing. Some exceptions are Disassembled, House of M, Messiah Complex, and Second Coming (pretty much everything leading to Avengers vs. X-Men).

How many deaths actually matter these days? I can't think of any. Yeah, there's some dead characters still but we dont care because we know they can be brought back at any point now. Jean and Banshee come to mind. Death means squat.

So yeah, event-wise, and really line-wide in general, things were better then because it mattered. Nothing matters these days.

Depending on how you look at it, events back then were spaced out a lot more than they are now. The Fall of the Mutants was mainly an X-Men crossover that did reach out to some other main Marvel books but only a few. Inferno came a year later and was company wide (with the X-Men at the forefront). Before Inferno in 1988, the last major company wide crossover was Secret Wars 2 in 1985, three year difference to build things up. I don't really count the Evolutionary War so much because it was annuals only.

Acts of Vengeance was in 1989 and Infinity Gauntlet was 2 years later in 91. Although Infinity War and Crusade came in consecutive years after Gauntlet, they didn't crossover as much as they went on. The real big event after Infinity Gauntlet was Onslaught in 1996, a 5 year gap. There wasn't anything as far reaching until Maximum Security in 2000. Then there was nothing until Disassembled in 2004 but one could argue that was more of an Avengers event than a line-wide one.

Nowadays, it's a once a year thing leading into books being relaunched for 12-14 issues only to do it again next year. If you spend 2 issues leading into the next event and 1 issue following up, what does that leave you for regular stories? Not much. And don't forget the slew of one-shots they throw out there. This is a big problem with Marvel.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah, but they were still better back then because it mattered. Lead up means absolutely nothing if the payoff is only a temporary payoff. When it matters it lasts. I mean, how much from Fall of the Mutants and Inferno and other such events are still effecting comics to this day? How much is Civil War or Secret Invasion or Siege or Fear Itself effecting today? Pretty much nothing. Some exceptions are Disassembled, House of M, Messiah Complex, and Second Coming (pretty much everything leading to Avengers vs. X-Men).

How many deaths actually matter these days? I can't think of any. Yeah, there's some dead characters still but we dont care because we know they can be brought back at any point now. Jean and Banshee come to mind. Death means squat.

So yeah, event-wise, and really line-wide in general, things were better then because it mattered. Nothing matters these days.

How is the events of Fall of the Mutants effecting the books today? The X-men have long since been back from the dead and went back to the mansion, not to mention Cypher's been resurrected as well. Marvel threw in almost all of their books into Inferno with a tie-in. Did it really matter outside of the X-men when it was more of a cash grab to get people to look at books which were apart of the crossover, which really didnt effect anything at all? Some stuff have long lasting effects; some dont. Thats how it is today and thats how it was back then as well. Dont look at the past with rose colored glasses and think that wasnt the case bc it was