The Dark Knight Rises Batman 3: Where does the story go from here?

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Uhhh what are you talking about? He was selling drugs to the other gang.


But wasnt it a set up? because i thought the other guy in the batman costume was working with him to bust them. nd then when it was all over the guy in the suit said we wanna help or someting and Batman said "I dont need any help."

Anywhoo if im wrong you can change that part to this:

(Amazed by the mayhem the joker was able to cause inspirred The Scaredcrow to take over Gotham just as he did. Before he executed his plan he knew he had to get more of the hallucinating toxin that he had before.)
 
But wasnt it a set up? because i thought the other guy in the batman costume was working with him to bust them. nd then when it was all over the guy in the suit said we wanna help or someting and Batman said "I dont need any help."
No it wasn't a set up. The Batman copycats were on there own, hence why Crane said to Batman "Not my diagnosis" referring to the copycats saying they weren't his.
 
No it wasn't a set up. The Batman copycats were on there own, hence why Crane said to Batman "Not my diagnosis" referring to the copycats saying they weren't his.

I believe Crane was saying Batman NEEDED help as in mental help.
 
No it wasn't a set up. The Batman copycats were on there own, hence why Crane said to Batman "Not my diagnosis" referring to the copycats saying they weren't his.


oh ok lol well then the part that i changed read that first and then mesh it with the latter half of my story.

btw what do you think of my srotylines?
 
I believe Crane was saying Batman NEEDED help as in mental help.
No Crane was basically saying it wasn't his diagnosis to Batman to inspire copycats. Basically a don't blame it on me sort of thing.
 
No, I'm pretty sure Crane meant Batman needed mental help.
 
I guess in a sequel one thing Batman will have to do is "answer for the laws he has broken" & all of that other stuff. Unless he makes some kinda teleporter to escape the scene of a crime quickly lol
 
My thoughts...

Honestly, I think Nolan's series can end with TDK. We have the Joker saying that he and Batman will continuously fight to a standstill forever. Even if Heath were alive, we wouldn't really need to see another fight against the Joker, because it would inevitably end the same way, a standstill. And it's going to be impossible to top the Joker, not only because of Heath's mindblowing performance, but because the Joker is a force of nature. He's the biggest villain Batman will ever face. There's something so satisfyingly tragic about the way TDK ends with the idea that the two will be locked in a philosophical battle as long as they both exist. I just feel like any other villain after that will seem like "villain of the week," or "just another case" for Batman to sort out, which would cheapen what Nolan has created already. I say they just wait a few years and re-invent Batman all over again will all new faces.

That said, if anyone can come up with something to top that masterpiece I just watched, Nolan's the one to do it, so I suppose I'll just wait and see.
 
My thoughts...

Honestly, I think Nolan's series can end with TDK. We have the Joker saying that he and Batman will continuously fight to a standstill forever. Even if Heath were alive, we wouldn't really need to see another fight against the Joker, because it would inevitably end the same way, a standstill. And it's going to be impossible to top the Joker, not only because of Heath's mindblowing performance, but because the Joker is a force of nature. He's the biggest villain Batman will ever face. There's something so satisfyingly tragic about the way TDK ends with the idea that the two will be locked in a philosophical battle as long as they both exist. I just feel like any other villain after that will seem like "villain of the week," or "just another case" for Batman to sort out, which would cheapen what Nolan has created already. I say they just wait a few years and re-invent Batman all over again will all new faces.

That said, if anyone can come up with something to top that masterpiece I just watched, Nolan's the one to do it, so I suppose I'll just wait and see.


I dont think it should end with The Dark Knight. Batman has a universe that has alot more story that is dying to be tapped into. if Nolan doesnt want to continue i vote joss Whedon to pick up where he left off just so long as he tones down that "classic Joss Whedon wit and humor" and keeps it realistic while adapting villians nolan would not.
 
they gotta make it so they bring back The Joker...seriously the resolution between them 2 was barely satisfying...

3 jokers for 3 movies...can it work?

if not
A riddler movie...with a small penguin (mob boss) role
 
Really in the end, I think if they used the Riddler, he'll end up acting like a Joker clone basically.

i totally agree with you:brucebat:

...to be honest it would be interesting to know what nolan was really thinking on doing the movie...obviously by putting a character like mr. reese and giving him a lot of "camera time" it was 'cause he was thinking in something for him and the joker, unfortunately what happen to ledger is a shame and a tragedy... and not only 'cause i would love to see him in a third movie, but we are talking about a person, a really REALLY talented person, that gave us one of the best villains ever in a movie...thank you...:woot: really :D

...anyway we are talking about nolan...he and his team are genious, and by seeing TDK yesterday i know that he can give a possibly third one movie a really interesting twist...AND I DONT THINK THAT BY THE SUCCESS TDK IS SURELY GOING TO BE the warner bross are not going to let nolan just do 2 movies...

...or will they hire someone else if nolan quits for a third one?? :csad:

i certainly hope not
 
Okay first off I liked the movie I liked begins better but that is another topic. Now two-face, his birth, intentions and the length of time he has in the movie are bad. I truly believe this is nolan's last because I assume he combined the original treatment goyer gave him for two sequels to one. So that being said I think he wanted to get it all out there. Now where he went wrong.
1. Harvey needed more motivation. It was too simple. To believe the joker would just convince him that quickly is stupid.
2. Why would he target gordon? I get that ramirez was in his squad and he brought that up earlier but that wouldn't be reason to try and kill his family.
3. I get that his death provided the ability to fully show batman as the type of hero gotham needs but did we really need that? It's kind of summed up in him capturing joker and not killing him. We know that gotham needs a hero to do it and only he can.
4. 15-20 minutes of screen time is just not enough for a character with so much potential.This should be a character that continues to pester him because batman trys to see the good in him and always believes he can return to the person he used to be.

How this movie should have ended!
1. Batman captures joker just like he does in the movie without that lame sonar.
2. Joker does visit harvey. He still convinces harvey that others are responsible for rachel's death but instead of targeting gordon he targets batman, the mob and the corrupt cops. Targeting gordon really made no sense.
3. We see harvey take out maroni.
4. We see two face for the last scene in the bar when he says "half" and end movie!

This would set up a fourth movie with harvey killing mobsters, cops and trying to kill batman who he blames most considering batman saved him and not rachel, allowed the joker to go on his rampage when he could have killed him and he would have been convinced that batman was the most responsible having spawned freaks like the joker and himself. Now that would have been a sweet movie.

Now on to what could happen for a third. At some point we do need a female villain and I do like the idea of talia coming back for revenge. It ties the trilogy up neatly. I would also like some type of physical threat to batman.
Batman is on the run from th police. Gordon is commisioner and still meets with batman in private. A task force is set up to capture and arrest batman headed by sarah essen. Essen and gorodn are at each other's throats because he wants to protect batman but also develops feelings for her. Wayne manner is rebuilt with a fully formed batcave and the tumbler is back. Batman has re-doubled his efforts realizing that only he can stop the madness that has spawned. Alfred an bruce's relationship has become strained because his obsession has started to truly consumed him. Bruce begins to ignore any other semblance of life after rachel's death reignites his promise to his parents.
It the mountains the league of shadows are training for new attack on gotham. Led by talia with ubu at her side and a new member that is greater and strength and will then even bruce himself. Now I'm going to go out on a limb with bane! Sorry guys I now this is out there but folow me. Talia chooses bane as ras' heir and her lover. The league begins to infiltrate gotham as talia woos bruce. Bruce slowly begins to come back to earth with the help of alfred he begins to fall in love with her. Unexpectedly she falls in love with him as well. Seeing the weakness in her and jealous of bruce bane takes control of the league and begins to crush all the mob competition in the city. Which I would love to see penguin in charge of. When the mob is consolidated under bane batman must put his love aside to battle the most physical opponent he will face. Talia is stuck between her father's honor and loving batman but in the end she chooses her father. During the final confrontation batman faces off with bane but finds out who talia is when she betrays him. Batman is defeated and narrowly escapes death. Back at wayne manor a recovering batman realizes he can't win the battle alone.

New characters:
Harvey Bullock
Rene Montoya
Sarah essen
Bane
Talia
Penguin

I know this is a little comic bookie but I would love to see robin in some movie at some point. Not stupi dork robin but a hardcore younger batman. I think this would set this up well an also would be pretty entertaining.
 
Some very interesting ideas here...

I'll be honest, I am not as well-versed in Batman lore as most of you. So, I don't have a huge knowledge of Batman's villains or possible storylines that a third film could be influenced by.

With that said, I loved The Dark Knight.

As for a third film...

Well, TDK left two possible openings for villains: Two-Face (who may, though it's doubtful, still be alive) and The Joker (who might not appear because they may not want to recast Heath Ledger).

The third film will probably have to deal with Batman having to be a social pariah, but Gordan probably working with him clandestinely. The Riddler may be an interesting villain, if... "Nolanized".

Whether they use the Riddler, or Two-Face, or some other villain, I think maybe they should avoid using The Joker. The way I think it would be an interesting way to end Nolan's trilogy would be the following:

Let's say Batman manages to become the hero that Gotham needs AND deserves, and he isn't exactly a social pariah anymore. He's dealt with the villain of the film. I think the way they should end the film should hearken back to Batman Begins. Batman should find a Joker card on the ground or on a body or hear news of an escape from Arkham. Because The Joker, while maybe not being in the third film, made an excellent point: They are destined for this.

While not showing The Joker, they should imply that he's out, and Batman will truly understand the menace as opposed to Batman Begins, where he simply stated that he'll "look into it".

I would also like to see Scarecrow make a comeback, for one reason: It'd be hilarious to see him get his ass kicked in all three movies. A funny running gag for a very dark series of films.

Maybe if they use Two-Face, they should end with him... actually making a decision not based on his coin, like at the end of 'A Serious House on Serious Earth', where he actually chose.
 
The movie should be "Batman: Redemption". It should be entirely about Batman trying to get back in favour with people and re-establish himself as a hero. Catwoman is a necessity and a fully-fledged Scarecrow should return (he needs to face someone from his past). We also need some villains we've never seen on screen before. I'd like either the Mad Hatter or the Ventriloquist. Both would be creepy under Nolan.
 
Really in the end, I think if they used the Riddler, he'll end up acting like a Joker clone basically.

Why? The Ridler has often been portrayed as a very serious man and I doubt Nolan would turn to the 50s' comics to get inspiration for his interpretation.
 
Here's how I'd do it...at least with the Catwoman part of the storyline.

To start the movie, Bats is out there dealing with some "B-list" criminal (Firefly? Think the beginning of Lethal Weapon 4). Then he hears on his sonar about a burglary at a mob bank. He gets there as the criminal is leaving and doesn't get a good look at it, but leaves with a "cat-like scratch" on his armor, and a cathair as well.

Bruce is holding a fundraiser for some charity that deals with animals. Coming to introduce herself to Bruce is a new member of Gotham's elite. Miss Selina Kyle. Selina "got lucky with various stocks and holdings" (obviously a lie). Bruce is intrigued, goes on a date with Selina, takes her back to her apartment. As Selina is preparing drinks, Selina's cat Isis sits on Bruce's lap. Bruce notices the similarities of the hair. Takes one for examination in the Batcave. It matches, realizes Selina is Catwoman. He continues to date Selina and spy on her, but can't help but fall for her.

One night, Catwoman is stealing from the mob and she's backed into a corner, her life is in danger. Batman rescues her. Pivotal dialogue point...

Batman: "I know the mob has caused great injustice to Gotham, but stealing from them makes you no better, Selina."

Catwoman: "How do you know who I am?"

Batman: "I've tracked you for awhile. I understand why you want to fight the mob but this is not the way."

Catwoman: "You don't understand...I was an illegitimate daughter of Carmine Falcone. When my mother came to him for financial support, he killed her right in front of my eyes, had me dropped off at a relative's house far away so he wouldn't have to deal with me."

Batman: "No, I do understand, I grew up without parents too." *takes off his mask* "It's what drives me...that, and the losses I've endured since becoming Batman."

Catwoman: "Bruce" (a la HUSH)

They're not exactly partners, but Bruce realizes Selina won't last long against the mob in her current costume. Bruce asks Fox to make a "suit for a woman." Fox quickly realizes who it's for and refuses. Bruce takes matters into his own hands and builds a suit similar to his but cat-themed and for her talents.

In the finale, they each save each other's ass.

In the end, Bruce realizes they can't be together because she's "doing what's right on the wrong side of the law, and it's a line he can't cross." Catwoman is enraged and hopes that one day he can learn to trust her, a la Hush.
 
Why would he target gordon? I get that ramirez was in his squad and he brought that up earlier but that wouldn't be reason to try and kill his family.

Joker does visit harvey. He still convinces harvey that others are responsible for rachel's death but instead of targeting gordon he targets batman, the mob and the corrupt cops. Targeting gordon really made no sense.

Targeting Gordan made perfect sense. The first time that Harvey meets Batman. Harvey, Gordan and Batman are on the roof talking about Lau leaving to Japan.

Gordan is yelling at Harvey telling him that he couldnt keep Harvey in the loop about Lau bc he has Maroni'd men working in his offices. Harvey yells back and says how can you be telling me this when youre working with scum like Wuertz and Ramirez...(the same detectives who set up harvey and rachel later on)

so he blamed it on Gordan bc he knew they were crooked and he chose to do nothing.
 
I think for the next mob leader (Falcone and Maroni) Scarface could be used. It gives us both a villain, and the mob leader that has been consistent in the movies so far.
 
Here's my story outline for Batman 3

ACT 1
-Batman disrupts a weapon deal between the Gotham organized crime members and the Russians. Batman catches a glimpse of Oswald Cobblepot (a well respected Public Official, but known as the Penguin by the Mafia) while he is escaping with weapons from the warehouse. The Police, led by Gordon, arrives at the scene and chases Batman (Batman gave Gordon a tip about this weapons deal). A cop shoots Batman in the shoulder as he escapes from the police.
-A tired and wounded Batman gets back at the Wayne Manor, goes to the new Batcave, and takes off his top. Alfred sees the gun shot wound and tries to help his boss. Bruce says he can do it himself and angrily dismisses his butler. Bruce takes the bullet off his shoulder, and sees in a big computer the news from TV which shows the media, the politicians, Gordon, and the citizens crucifying Batman.
-There's a press conference for the newly elected Mayor of Gotham: Oswald Cobblepot. A charming and charismatic public official, the Cobblepot family, like the Wayne family, is one of the most prominent and well respected families in Gotham. Oswald (with a long nose, and a body that resembles a penguin) is the only son of James and Elizabeth Cobblepot (friends of Thomas and Martha Wayne), who both died when Oswald was still young. He now controls all the businesses of his dead parents. He then makes a speech about the the city getting better after the Joker's attack in TDK, and that Batman's presence in Gotham is diminishing because of the continued efforts of the police to stop the vigilante. He promises that he will use his position as the new mayor to rid the city of Batman, the mob, and the freaks.
-Lucius Fox is holding a stock meeting with the board members of Wayne Corp. Bruce arrives late for the meeting (he doesn't play the dumb playboy Bruce anymore, his current stress and isolation is causing his Batman persona to take over, and make Bruce always bitter and angry). Bruce ends the meeting forcefully and dismisses the board members.
-Bruce talks to Lucius about getting a new vehicle that can fly so he can escape more easily from the cops. Lucius tells him that he doesn't want to be a part of Batman's life anymore, and would want to focus on his job in Wayne Corp. This leads to an argument and then Bruce fires Fox from Wayne Corp.
-The Penguin holds a meeting with the organized crime families (Gazzos, Maronis, Vittis, Zuco, Skeevers). It is revealed here that the Penguin, being respected and trusted by Gotham, is actually an associate of the mafia. He is their representative, and their plan is to take over and eat Gotham from the inside, unlike the Joker who uses chaos and anarchy. They also talk about Batman, and that he is still dangerous even if Gotham no longer trusts him. Gazzo proposes to take his niece, Selina Kyle into the fold (a trained assassin called the Catwoman because of her affinity for cats and the suit she uses when on a mission) to kill the Batman. Umberto and Pino Maroni, sons of the late Sal Maroni, are tasked with collecting money from the businesses in Gotham.
-Gordon is at home interacting with his children, (this scene will reveal that Gordon is actually happy that he no longer needs Batman that much anymore, and that he trusts that the Mayor and his police force can keep Gotham safe without Batman).
-Umberto and Pino Maroni arrives at the newly established Grayson Circus. They tell the owners, Mr. and Mrs. Grayson that all businesses in their area must pay them up. The Graysons refuse and tell the Maronis that Gotham is different now, that the politicians and the police are clean now. The Maronis threaten them and tells them to think about it.
-Batman talks to Gordon outside his home, with Batman telling him that he believes that he saw Cobblepot in the recent weapons deal (when in his Penguin identity, Oswald wears a long hat, a one piece eye glass, and has a cigarette in his mouth, and he acts differently). Gordon is surprised by this and tells Batman to get more evidence. A couple of Gordon's friends arrive and Batman disappears.
-The Joker is in Arkham Asylum, where he is constantly drugged and electrocuted for therapy. He is now always bullied and ridiculed by everybody (Jonathan Crane cameo!). His psychiatrist tells him that he and Batman are both becoming obsolete.
-The next day Bruce Wayne and Alfred visits his parents grave, Rachel Dawes' grave, and Harvey Dent's. Bruce cries and whispers and wishes they were still there for him.
-Scenes of Batman training himself aggressively (drowning himself, escaping from big metal chains, doing acrobatics,fixing his suit and other gadgets--- he has no other life now but Batman). This makes Alfred worried and when he tries to comfort Bruce, Bruce wouldn't let him.
-Cobblepot is in his mansion, Bobby Gazzo arrives with his niece Selina Kyle, AKA Catwoman. Cobblepot flirts with Selina but she won't play with it. They get to business and talk about their plans to kill the Batman. Catwoman agrees to $10 million.
-Scenes of Batman raging on the underworld in his Batpod. He is asking everyone what they know about Oswald Cobblepot. One of the guys he is beating up tells him that Oswald will be present in a huge heroin deal at the pier tomorrow night.
-The next day, while Gordon is doing his paperwork in his office, he gets a visit from Oswald. Oswald tells him that he will pay Gordon $1 million if he and his men will capture Batman and if they are able to put organized crime to rest. Oswald is such a good and charismatic con artist that he makes Gordon that that Batman might be lying about Oswald, and that Oswald is really a crusader for justice. Gordon then sees an envelope in his desk. He opens it and it's a letter from Batman telling him about a possible drug deal at night at the Gotham pier where Penguin will be present.
-Bruce prepares his Batman gear and gadgets including the Batpod in the Batcave. Alfred advises him not to go to the mission since he is still wounded. Bruce ignores him and races on in his batpod.
-Batman arrives at the pier with mobsters everywhere. A big fight ensues. Catwoman also arrives at the scene and has a fight with Batman. Gordon and the Police arrives, and shoots at Batman. Catwoman gets shot and loses her consciousness. Batman places her in the batpod and a car (motorcycle) chase occurs between him and the police. Batman escapes and takes the unconscious Catwoman to the Batcave. She cleans her wound and takes out the bullet.
-Bruce tries to find Alfred and finds him in the living room with Dr. Leslie Thomas, a colleague and close friend of his father. She just came back from Metropolis to watch the premier show of Grayson Circus, and invites both Alfred and Bruce into the show.
-Catwoman wakes up in the Batcave and finds Bruce still in the bat suit. She asks Batman why he saved her, Batman says the police cannot be trusted anymore. Catwoman replies that she knows the reason Batman saved her, it's because he is longing for someone capable of rescuing him from his despair and loneliness. Catwoman flirts with Batman but Batman quickly sedates her. He then puts her inside his black Porsche and leaves her to an old abandoned house.

ACT 2 to be continued....
 
thought i'd throw in my thoughts (just give it a read, at least):

bane as the main villain (played by javier bardem), with riddler in a smaller role (played by joshua harto, "mr. reese"- mysteries)

have bane's origin be similar to the comic- he's finishing his father's murder sentence in jail, as his father died, and this weird south american country he lives in does things this way. he hears of this unstoppable force in gotham- batman- and makes it his life mission to defeat him- just to say he did, that he is the greatest, and to seize control of gotham from batman- this guy wants power. eventually he gets out of jail (end of sentence or breaking out... whatever)- he travels to gotham, and establishes himself as a big drug cartel lord (who conducts his drug business in his trademark mask) with his own brand of drug- a ridiculous rage 'roid that pumps up your adrenaline, making you stronger, faster, etc.- a valuable tool against batman, who is rendered a bit ineffective due to the cops being on his tail all the time. (through the movie, he would have lucius develop a sedative for this particular drug). using the money he makes from here, he begins buying up businesses especially those in competition with wayne enterprises, which is the biggest company (presumably) in the world, just so that he can say he beat out wayne enterprises (this man is driven to beat the best- physically, economically, mentally, etc.)-
all this leading to his establishing himself as a "legit" businessman in gotham.

meanwhile, mr. reese is held in police custody as an "accomplice" to batman (as he supposedly knows his identity). they are trying to get batman's identity out of him (as batman is on the run), but he refuses to give it up- batman (well, bruce) DID save his life... and he feels a bit of a life debt to batman. plus, he wants a crap ton of money.

gordon is conflicted throughout with having to hunt down his former ally, all the while having to deal with this new drug epidemic.

bane ends up making reese's bail (wayne doesn't, as he does not want to appear overly suspicious)... he hears this guy knows who batman is, and he wants to know. he initially employs reese, and then one night, at a business party, he gives reese a taste of the drug (which is highly addictive)- reese ends up being hooked, finally feeling powerful, and eventually, after reese is really addicted, bane withholds the drug from him, demanding the info of batman's identity. reese ends up giving it up of course, being the junkie he is- but of course, bane has to use a little physical persuasion, exerting his dominance.

thus begins bane's personal war against wayne and batman, setting his customers (re: adrenaline-enhanced junkies, who amount to a good number of the citizenry- a quarter perhaps?) on batman (as a spin on the breaking out of villains to wear batman down) before finally confronting him himself. i would like to think that, during all this fighting batman has to go through, he contacts lucius, asking him to contact reese and get him to do some espionage into his employer's (bane's) activities, dealings, etc. with promise for help with his addiction. this info would help batman to defeat bane. thus reese, or the riddler, is a bit of an anti-hero- a druggy who ultimately helps batman (this anti-hero angle reflects a bit on riddler's current status in the comics).


of course, id like to think also that there would be plenty of bruce and batman- bruce in the business end, and batman fighting against cops and junkies alike. it would end with reese, now recovered from his addiction, appearing on engle's show claiming to reveal the "truth" behind batman... but in fact revealing that the crimes batman has been condemned for are in truth the crimes of harvey dent (a truth he has pieced together), and that batman took the fall for it, and that batman was the one who took the city off the grip of bane's drugs, and provided the means to get off the addiction (the "antidote" thing lucius had been developing thru the movie)- revealing, in effect, that batman is gotham's true defender, and one the city can put faith in. harvey dent, however, was not evil, but was rather driven to madness by the loss of his loved ones and by the joker's influence (though this leaves a hole- what of the criminals Dent put away? unless of course bane bought them out of jail, and now they are in jail again for completely different crimes- drug addiction and conspiracy against the state with bane- and so their original sentence is inconsequential). as for the identity of batman- that is one riddle he will not give up.


thats my two cents anyways.
 
First, off I think they should sample bits of "Dark Victory", "No Man's Land", with maybe stuff from "Arkham Asylum" and "Long Halloween."

If Two-Face is alive I would have him come back persuading mobsters or The Freaks to teamup with him and takeover the city. Harvey Dent seemed like he could rule Gotham as a kingdom and he'd take from Bruce the keys to his kingship. Both Gordon and him called him, The White Knight but Harvey's mind snapped; with Rachel's death and Joker's proposal, he became a vindictive, remorseless, rancorous avenger. A man so consumed by rage that his only option was allowing the coin to decide what was morally right and wrong; his lawful mind completely burned away with his face.

With Batman a fugitive, it'd make it easier for Two-Face or an imposing mafia family to come moving in. Gordon would then see his city would need it's hero even though he promised he'd hunt down Batman even though he doesn't want to and is the only one who knows Batman did not kill anyone. When Gordon would see that the city is too far out of hand and needs someone to pull it out of the burning rubble he and the city would have no choice but to put their faith in and ally themselves with Batman.

When the cops and Batman would soon become one the mob would then turn to Two-Face or whoever to help them out. Gordon knows deep down he'd either have to arrest Batman after he took down the mob and the new villains or he'd have to come clean about Dent's death and tell the public it was Dent who killed those cops. Or in a twist, Gordon would go to jail and thus keep it where Batman would be Gotham City's watcher and protector.

That's one scenario, another one would be the mob has come back in under the leadership of Alberto Falcone as one mafia taking over for his father, Roman Sionis taking over as another, and Rupert Thorne as the last. Rupert however has a hit man for hire named Bane, while the other two rely on a mysterious man named "The Penguin" for weapons, information, and other supplies. Little does the two know that Penguin is an opportunist, an idealist, who is using both so once both have scrubbed each other out he can move in and hog all of Gotham for himself. Oswald Cobblepot in the daytime is a philanthropist and a respected businessman. He owns a legitimate club called "The Iceberg Lounge" and does not mind flittering his money away giving back to the community. Distributing his wealth, showing humanity and goodwill towards men, and giving them plentifuls and endowments of charity and generosity. But it is a ruse, a white-lie, by night he is an arsmdealer selling weapons to the highest bidder. An 'auctioneer of death' who would rather let other men start wars than him start one of his own.

His latest weapon would be an umbrella that can both turn into a sword and a machine gun. Scarecrow would show up in a cameo doing his drug-dealing again wondering if he could use the umbrella as a way where he could transport his fear-serum to buyers without the cops wondering what he's selling or dealing. Scarecrow could also see the umbrella as a way of harnessing his fear-serum into a new kind of weapon. This would also be a reference to the comics with Penguin having an umbrella filled with gas.

The city would then be filled with blood. Gang wars and gang-related violence would sweep across Gotham. Families torn apart, loved ones caught in the crossfire, many dead---Gordon and his Department would be outnumbered and Penguin would relish in this but Penguin would just be paving the way for 'his boss' to move in and finish the job started by her father. That's right Talia and Penguin would've had this planned all along. The remaining mob families would kill each other off, Gordon and the GPCD would be powerless, Batman would be hailed as a criminal and wanted man, and the only one who could stop it would be Bruce Wayne himself, not as Batman, but as himself.
 
First, off I think they should sample bits of "Dark Victory", "No Man's Land", with maybe stuff from "Arkham Asylum" and "Long Halloween."

If Two-Face is alive I would have him come back persuading mobsters or The Freaks to teamup with him and takeover the city. Harvey Dent seemed like he could rule Gotham as a kingdom and he'd take from Bruce the keys to his kingship. Both Gordon and him called him, The White Knight but Harvey's mind snapped; with Rachel's death and Joker's proposal, he became a vindictive, remorseless, rancorous avenger. A man so consumed by rage that his only option was allowing the coin to decide what was morally right and wrong; his lawful mind completely burned away with his face.

With Batman a fugitive, it'd make it easier for Two-Face or an imposing mafia family to come moving in. Gordon would then see his city would need it's hero even though he promised he'd hunt down Batman even though he doesn't want to and is the only one who knows Batman did not kill anyone. When Gordon would see that the city is too far out of hand and needs someone to pull it out of the burning rubble he and the city would have no choice but to put their faith in and ally themselves with Batman.

When the cops and Batman would soon become one the mob would then turn to Two-Face or whoever to help them out. Gordon knows deep down he'd either have to arrest Batman after he took down the mob and the new villains or he'd have to come clean about Dent's death and tell the public it was Dent who killed those cops. Or in a twist, Gordon would go to jail and thus keep it where Batman would be Gotham City's watcher and protector.

That's one scenario, another one would be the mob has come back in under the leadership of Alberto Falcone as one mafia taking over for his father, Roman Sionis taking over as another, and Rupert Thorne as the last. Rupert however has a hit man for hire named Bane, while the other two rely on a mysterious man named "The Penguin" for weapons, information, and other supplies. Little does the two know that Penguin is an opportunist, an idealist, who is using both so once both have scrubbed each other out he can move in and hog all of Gotham for himself. Oswald Cobblepot in the daytime is a philanthropist and a respected businessman. He owns a legitimate club called "The Iceberg Lounge" and does not mind flittering his money away giving back to the community. Distributing his wealth, showing humanity and goodwill towards men, and giving them plentifuls and endowments of charity and generosity. But it is a ruse, a white-lie, by night he is an arsmdealer selling weapons to the highest bidder. An 'auctioneer of death' who would rather let other men start wars than him start one of his own.

His latest weapon would be an umbrella that can both turn into a sword and a machine gun. Scarecrow would show up in a cameo doing his drug-dealing again wondering if he could use the umbrella as a way where he could transport his fear-serum to buyers without the cops wondering what he's selling or dealing. Scarecrow could also see the umbrella as a way of harnessing his fear-serum into a new kind of weapon. This would also be a reference to the comics with Penguin having an umbrella filled with gas.

The city would then be filled with blood. Gang wars and gang-related violence would sweep across Gotham. Families torn apart, loved ones caught in the crossfire, many dead---Gordon and his Department would be outnumbered and Penguin would relish in this but Penguin would just be paving the way for 'his boss' to move in and finish the job started by her father. That's right Talia and Penguin would've had this planned all along. The remaining mob families would kill each other off, Gordon and the GPCD would be powerless, Batman would be hailed as a criminal and wanted man, and the only one who could stop it would be Bruce Wayne himself, not as Batman, but as himself.
 
First, off I think they should sample bits of "Dark Victory", "No Man's Land", with maybe stuff from "Arkham Asylum" and "Long Halloween."

If Two-Face is alive I would have him come back persuading mobsters or The Freaks to teamup with him and takeover the city. Harvey Dent seemed like he could rule Gotham as a kingdom and he'd take from Bruce the keys to his kingship. Both Gordon and him called him, The White Knight but Harvey's mind snapped; with Rachel's death and Joker's proposal, he became a vindictive, remorseless, rancorous avenger. A man so consumed by rage that his only option was allowing the coin to decide what was morally right and wrong; his lawful mind completely burned away with his face.

With Batman a fugitive, it'd make it easier for Two-Face or an imposing mafia family to come moving in. Gordon would then see his city would need it's hero even though he promised he'd hunt down Batman even though he doesn't want to and is the only one who knows Batman did not kill anyone. When Gordon would see that the city is too far out of hand and needs someone to pull it out of the burning rubble he and the city would have no choice but to put their faith in and ally themselves with Batman.

When the cops and Batman would soon become one the mob would then turn to Two-Face or whoever to help them out. Gordon knows deep down he'd either have to arrest Batman after he took down the mob and the new villains or he'd have to come clean about Dent's death and tell the public it was Dent who killed those cops. Or in a twist, Gordon would go to jail and thus keep it where Batman would be Gotham City's watcher and protector.

That's one scenario, another one would be the mob has come back in under the leadership of Alberto Falcone as one mafia taking over for his father, Roman Sionis taking over as another, and Rupert Thorne as the last. Rupert however has a hit man for hire named Bane, while the other two rely on a mysterious man named "The Penguin" for weapons, information, and other supplies. Little does the two know that Penguin is an opportunist, an idealist, who is using both so once both have scrubbed each other out he can move in and hog all of Gotham for himself. Oswald Cobblepot in the daytime is a philanthropist and a respected businessman. He owns a legitimate club called "The Iceberg Lounge" and does not mind flittering his money away giving back to the community. Distributing his wealth, showing humanity and goodwill towards men, and giving them plentifuls and endowments of charity and generosity. But it is a ruse, a white-lie, by night he is an arsmdealer selling weapons to the highest bidder. An 'auctioneer of death' who would rather let other men start wars than him start one of his own.

His latest weapon would be an umbrella that can both turn into a sword and a machine gun. Scarecrow would show up in a cameo doing his drug-dealing again wondering if he could use the umbrella as a way where he could transport his fear-serum to buyers without the cops wondering what he's selling or dealing. Scarecrow could also see the umbrella as a way of harnessing his fear-serum into a new kind of weapon. This would also be a reference to the comics with Penguin having an umbrella filled with gas.

The city would then be filled with blood. Gang wars and gang-related violence would sweep across Gotham. Families torn apart, loved ones caught in the crossfire, many dead---Gordon and his Department would be outnumbered and Penguin would relish in this but Penguin would just be paving the way for 'his boss' to move in and finish the job started by her father. That's right Talia and Penguin would've had this planned all along. The remaining mob families would kill each other off, Gordon and the GPCD would be powerless, Batman would be hailed as a criminal and wanted man, and the only one who could stop it would be Bruce Wayne himself, not as Batman, but as himself.
 
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