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Yea he was, he was the first hostage Batman unmasked and realized the hostages and thugs were switched around
The Dark Knight Rises Batman 3: Where does the story go from here?
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Yeah.. So he is still alive then.
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Goyer and Nolan have already discussed the theme for Batman 3...
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/07/21/exclusive-david-goyer-says-he-knows-the-theme-for-batman-3/
God, Make it happen please!!!
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/07/21/exclusive-david-goyer-says-he-knows-the-theme-for-batman-3/
God, Make it happen please!!!
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ok, ok, ok. Here is my version of the third film (villain/threat wise)....
I really like this idea, in fact, i think this is a great way to cap off the trilogy...
villains
Maybe the villains will be: The Riddler, Clay-face, Two-face and The Joker
synopsis
The movie is in the tone of the Silence of the Lambs, more of a detective mystery (Long Holloween) than the action heavy TDK because the villain isn't about anarchy, just psychological intimidation to the citizens of Gotham and even more so to Gothams finest/public officials. Why? Because he likes the attention, not because he likes chaos. It starts off with murders. Security cameras capture the murders of random citizens all around the city done by city officials and notable public figures (The Mayor, Gordon, even Bruce Wayne). Some of the murders are seen to be done by members of the remaining mafia (who kill off other mob families), this leads to a mob civil war, practically wiping out organized crime in Gotham for good. Each murder scene has a riddle, taunting the police. The GCPD has turned into a frenzy, and with the city against Batman, they have little help to turn to, most of the cops are finding it increasingly hard to trust each other after the events in TDK and even more so after witnesses and cameras capture their own as perps in the murders. They begin demanding answers as the evidence of the murders have leaked out to the GNC, where Mike Engle has soaring ratings on Gotham Tonight by showing the tapes without explanation as to how the station obtained them. The GCPD get furious with the show when it leaks restricted evidence to the public. Batman tries to beat answers out of Engle, Engle says they are sent in the mail with riddles in each package (a sypher like the Zodiacs), after figuring out the cipher, it gives Batman the name of a theatrical actor, Basil Karlo and we find that with the use of waxed prosthetic applications and careful study on the subjects, he is in fact the one behind the murders. He confesses to it all without any motive given. His face is constantly peeled and bruised due to the waxed applications. The GCPD flaunt the capture to the public, trying to ensure the city is safer, headlines in the paper read "CAUGHT: The Clay-Faced Killer". Everything settles down. Then another riddle turns up at the door of the GCPD with a video tape. Before we know it, the murders start again. This time though, the tape left behind shows what looks like Harvey Dent committing a murder of an accused crooked cop, only this Dent has scars across half of his face. He tosses a coin in front of the camera to determine the fate of the officer. Batman and Gordon consider how many officers knew of Dent's specific fate and more importantly, his method of “fair” justice. Who could have leaked it to another 'clay-face killer', the one still leaving the riddles? More importantly, how is it that this clay-face is capable of recreating Dents appearance perfectly (the prosthetic applications from the first clay-face killer were detectably phony at close inspection). Gordon makes a confession to Batman... Dent was only unconscious when he fell, leaving him in a coma. Gordon, keeping it tight lips with the few that knew, placed him under the psych ward at Arkham. Gordon confesses that Dent just woke from the coma a week ago. Bat’s is not happy about the secret. Gordon tells him he couldn’t reveal it to him because he was afraid that Batman would try to get involved with Dent in an attempt to show Harvey a righteous path (and to clear Batman’s own name to the public) and the few loyal cops that knew of Harvey’s existence might turn on Gordon for if they find out he’s still in cahoots with the Dark Knight. At this point Gordon could not gamble with his men’s trust. Batman thinks the coincidence might be too much to ignore, so he confronts Dent at Arkham anyway. They have philosophical discussions on justice, Dent claims he hasn’t left his cell. This is confirmed by his psychiatrist. The tape of Dent murdering the cop leaks out to Gotham Tonight, after the cities martyr is seen in the video murdering an officer in what he calls “the court of true justice”, The city goes nuts. Another clayface killer mocking the cites symbol of hope. The new clayface killer, now called “The Two-Face” cop killer continues to make video tapes of police murders. The killer explains how each officer participated in something corrupt before flipping a coin to determine their fate. Some survive the flip, others don’t. All leak to Gotham Tonight. The survivors have little recollection aside from being bashed on the head unconscious before filming. Each surviving officer has a one letter code written on their chest. Gordon is forced to fire the survivors for the sake of public perception after the very accurate evidence presented by Dent. The city is burning. Gotham’s finest are slowly quitting, the remaining few believe an insider on the force is leaking the evidence to this “fake Dent”. Cops can no longer trust their own, and because of this, Gordon can trust nobody but Batman. The citizens lose hope in almost everything, everyone every night becomes glued to Gotham Tonight when “Harvey Two-Face” demands that the “court session of true justice” as he likes to put it be shown live on Gotham Tonight or else there will be no flip of the coin for a chance for the officers to survive. The show becomes a sick reality program and rating are up. Bruce begins to think that maybe the Joker was right, maybe deep down everyone is like him. Gordon tells Batman that every officer being captured are officers that were tried by the actual Harvey Dent years ago when he was still a front running Internal Affairs officer, and that all of them were not convicted. Batman interrogates the real Dent, but when confronted, he sees more and more of the Harvey he knew. He wants to believe Harvey’s therapy is working. The psychologist continues to disprove the idea that Harvey ever left Arkham, backing it with video evidence. After the next officer survives, Batman takes account the latest symbol and figures out the riddle. It leads back to Engle. Batman finds Engle. Engle confesses. He is the man behind the riddles and the videos, but he is not “The Two-face killer”. Engle is clearly psychotic; he did it all for Gotham’s attention, both on him in the studio, and the mystery he created. And now he has the attention of Batman, who he got the city to hate on his program by persisting a theory that Batman became the Two Face killer, murdering the cops that insisted the city turn to hate him. He presents Batman with a riddle (one I haven’t written yet) and it all comes back to Arkham…
The clues comes together… Engle’s riddle explains everything. We find out that Harvey’s psychiatrist let Harvey out every night to commit the murders. Harvey agreed to leave the riddles on the survivors in return for getting justice on the police force that destroyed his family. The execution might have been done by this “Riddler” (Engle) but its birth came from none other than The Joker. Engle explains that he got an exclusive interview with the Joker after he was captured, The Joker offered him a chance to be infamous. He told him where to find the remaining money he took from the mob and to offer half to Basil Karlo, the clay-face killer, an actor he knew from “back when” who was clinically insane and would do anything to get out of dept. Engle agreed in exchange for the other half and the “exclusives of what was to come”. All it took was an almost Stockholm syndrome- like relationship Dent’s shrink, Harley Quizno had with The Joker. Batman, after hearing this from Engle (we see it in Nolan esc. Flashbacks kind of like The Prestige), Batman rushes to Arkham. He moves to the Jokers cell. He finds Dr. Quizno, hung by the next, with a fresh chiseled smile dressed up with black eyes, white and red paint on her face, like The Joker. “HA HA HA” is smeared everywhere in the cell with her blood. He moves to Dents cell. Dent taunts Batman “I did what was fair. If Gotham wasn’t afraid to live in a city that is truly fair, it wouldn’t have needed you”. Dent explains that Engle offered him a chance out for good but being a man of “justice”, he flipped and lost the toss, so he came back every night. Harvey gives Batman a note left by The Joker addressed to him. It reads of how they are they are two freaks now destined to battle for the sanity of Gotham and now that the city hates both of them, Gotham has nothing left but extinction. Gordon comes too. He states in a public address along with the Mayor that The Batman solved the murders. The city demands answers about the “Two-Face” killer, Gordon says that Harvey has always been dead, and that the killer was another “Clay-face” that has been arrested. The spirit of Gotham resides now on Batman. He is the hero the public should have seen all along. Bruce comes to terms with it and decides he can never hang up the cape.
Themes
Redemption but at a cost. Batman becomes the only thing Gotham trusts, Bruce knows that because of this, he can never quit.
Might need a few fixes but I think a murder mystery like this would be the best way to go. … Sorry for the long post!
I really like this idea, in fact, i think this is a great way to cap off the trilogy...
villains
Maybe the villains will be: The Riddler, Clay-face, Two-face and The Joker
synopsis
The movie is in the tone of the Silence of the Lambs, more of a detective mystery (Long Holloween) than the action heavy TDK because the villain isn't about anarchy, just psychological intimidation to the citizens of Gotham and even more so to Gothams finest/public officials. Why? Because he likes the attention, not because he likes chaos. It starts off with murders. Security cameras capture the murders of random citizens all around the city done by city officials and notable public figures (The Mayor, Gordon, even Bruce Wayne). Some of the murders are seen to be done by members of the remaining mafia (who kill off other mob families), this leads to a mob civil war, practically wiping out organized crime in Gotham for good. Each murder scene has a riddle, taunting the police. The GCPD has turned into a frenzy, and with the city against Batman, they have little help to turn to, most of the cops are finding it increasingly hard to trust each other after the events in TDK and even more so after witnesses and cameras capture their own as perps in the murders. They begin demanding answers as the evidence of the murders have leaked out to the GNC, where Mike Engle has soaring ratings on Gotham Tonight by showing the tapes without explanation as to how the station obtained them. The GCPD get furious with the show when it leaks restricted evidence to the public. Batman tries to beat answers out of Engle, Engle says they are sent in the mail with riddles in each package (a sypher like the Zodiacs), after figuring out the cipher, it gives Batman the name of a theatrical actor, Basil Karlo and we find that with the use of waxed prosthetic applications and careful study on the subjects, he is in fact the one behind the murders. He confesses to it all without any motive given. His face is constantly peeled and bruised due to the waxed applications. The GCPD flaunt the capture to the public, trying to ensure the city is safer, headlines in the paper read "CAUGHT: The Clay-Faced Killer". Everything settles down. Then another riddle turns up at the door of the GCPD with a video tape. Before we know it, the murders start again. This time though, the tape left behind shows what looks like Harvey Dent committing a murder of an accused crooked cop, only this Dent has scars across half of his face. He tosses a coin in front of the camera to determine the fate of the officer. Batman and Gordon consider how many officers knew of Dent's specific fate and more importantly, his method of “fair” justice. Who could have leaked it to another 'clay-face killer', the one still leaving the riddles? More importantly, how is it that this clay-face is capable of recreating Dents appearance perfectly (the prosthetic applications from the first clay-face killer were detectably phony at close inspection). Gordon makes a confession to Batman... Dent was only unconscious when he fell, leaving him in a coma. Gordon, keeping it tight lips with the few that knew, placed him under the psych ward at Arkham. Gordon confesses that Dent just woke from the coma a week ago. Bat’s is not happy about the secret. Gordon tells him he couldn’t reveal it to him because he was afraid that Batman would try to get involved with Dent in an attempt to show Harvey a righteous path (and to clear Batman’s own name to the public) and the few loyal cops that knew of Harvey’s existence might turn on Gordon for if they find out he’s still in cahoots with the Dark Knight. At this point Gordon could not gamble with his men’s trust. Batman thinks the coincidence might be too much to ignore, so he confronts Dent at Arkham anyway. They have philosophical discussions on justice, Dent claims he hasn’t left his cell. This is confirmed by his psychiatrist. The tape of Dent murdering the cop leaks out to Gotham Tonight, after the cities martyr is seen in the video murdering an officer in what he calls “the court of true justice”, The city goes nuts. Another clayface killer mocking the cites symbol of hope. The new clayface killer, now called “The Two-Face” cop killer continues to make video tapes of police murders. The killer explains how each officer participated in something corrupt before flipping a coin to determine their fate. Some survive the flip, others don’t. All leak to Gotham Tonight. The survivors have little recollection aside from being bashed on the head unconscious before filming. Each surviving officer has a one letter code written on their chest. Gordon is forced to fire the survivors for the sake of public perception after the very accurate evidence presented by Dent. The city is burning. Gotham’s finest are slowly quitting, the remaining few believe an insider on the force is leaking the evidence to this “fake Dent”. Cops can no longer trust their own, and because of this, Gordon can trust nobody but Batman. The citizens lose hope in almost everything, everyone every night becomes glued to Gotham Tonight when “Harvey Two-Face” demands that the “court session of true justice” as he likes to put it be shown live on Gotham Tonight or else there will be no flip of the coin for a chance for the officers to survive. The show becomes a sick reality program and rating are up. Bruce begins to think that maybe the Joker was right, maybe deep down everyone is like him. Gordon tells Batman that every officer being captured are officers that were tried by the actual Harvey Dent years ago when he was still a front running Internal Affairs officer, and that all of them were not convicted. Batman interrogates the real Dent, but when confronted, he sees more and more of the Harvey he knew. He wants to believe Harvey’s therapy is working. The psychologist continues to disprove the idea that Harvey ever left Arkham, backing it with video evidence. After the next officer survives, Batman takes account the latest symbol and figures out the riddle. It leads back to Engle. Batman finds Engle. Engle confesses. He is the man behind the riddles and the videos, but he is not “The Two-face killer”. Engle is clearly psychotic; he did it all for Gotham’s attention, both on him in the studio, and the mystery he created. And now he has the attention of Batman, who he got the city to hate on his program by persisting a theory that Batman became the Two Face killer, murdering the cops that insisted the city turn to hate him. He presents Batman with a riddle (one I haven’t written yet) and it all comes back to Arkham…
The clues comes together… Engle’s riddle explains everything. We find out that Harvey’s psychiatrist let Harvey out every night to commit the murders. Harvey agreed to leave the riddles on the survivors in return for getting justice on the police force that destroyed his family. The execution might have been done by this “Riddler” (Engle) but its birth came from none other than The Joker. Engle explains that he got an exclusive interview with the Joker after he was captured, The Joker offered him a chance to be infamous. He told him where to find the remaining money he took from the mob and to offer half to Basil Karlo, the clay-face killer, an actor he knew from “back when” who was clinically insane and would do anything to get out of dept. Engle agreed in exchange for the other half and the “exclusives of what was to come”. All it took was an almost Stockholm syndrome- like relationship Dent’s shrink, Harley Quizno had with The Joker. Batman, after hearing this from Engle (we see it in Nolan esc. Flashbacks kind of like The Prestige), Batman rushes to Arkham. He moves to the Jokers cell. He finds Dr. Quizno, hung by the next, with a fresh chiseled smile dressed up with black eyes, white and red paint on her face, like The Joker. “HA HA HA” is smeared everywhere in the cell with her blood. He moves to Dents cell. Dent taunts Batman “I did what was fair. If Gotham wasn’t afraid to live in a city that is truly fair, it wouldn’t have needed you”. Dent explains that Engle offered him a chance out for good but being a man of “justice”, he flipped and lost the toss, so he came back every night. Harvey gives Batman a note left by The Joker addressed to him. It reads of how they are they are two freaks now destined to battle for the sanity of Gotham and now that the city hates both of them, Gotham has nothing left but extinction. Gordon comes too. He states in a public address along with the Mayor that The Batman solved the murders. The city demands answers about the “Two-Face” killer, Gordon says that Harvey has always been dead, and that the killer was another “Clay-face” that has been arrested. The spirit of Gotham resides now on Batman. He is the hero the public should have seen all along. Bruce comes to terms with it and decides he can never hang up the cape.
Themes
Redemption but at a cost. Batman becomes the only thing Gotham trusts, Bruce knows that because of this, he can never quit.
Might need a few fixes but I think a murder mystery like this would be the best way to go. … Sorry for the long post!
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*Batman is hated by the public and the cops
* Batman and Gordon's friendship is put on the line with the addition of Sarah Essen
* Catwoman wants her own revenge on the remaining members of the Falcone crime Family including the new hot head who runs it Tony Zucco
* Selina Kyle comes from the narrows and has a similar origin to the one she had in Year One
*Two-Face in continues his reign of revenge angst the cops and the mob
* Batman and Gordon's friendship is put on the line with the addition of Sarah Essen
* Catwoman wants her own revenge on the remaining members of the Falcone crime Family including the new hot head who runs it Tony Zucco
* Selina Kyle comes from the narrows and has a similar origin to the one she had in Year One
*Two-Face in continues his reign of revenge angst the cops and the mob
Engel is still alive, batman was able to realize the Joker dressed up the hostages because he Recognized Engel. unless you see someone die, dont assume. He is a minor part of the film anyway.
It is unsure of what gotham is going to blame batman for.
If they think he killed dirty cops, that is one thing.... But if they are assuming he killed dent,
how is it possible for Batman to be trusted ever again? He would no longer be able to come out in plan sight.
What it does it make every criminal and citizen worry if batman will kill them now..
But is the point of batman to bring fear in the scum, or to anyone?
The way a 3rd film could work is if the new villain some how found out batman is still not able to break is code.
Even thought I do see this as the major film in the batman series, don't think Nolan can't out do himself again...
Look at the progress that was made from the first film to the second. A 3rd film if it was a different theme but equality as good would work great to end it. Nolan could just do it for the hell of people saying he can't.
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At first, I thought the story should just end with TDK but now I'm very excited to see the story continue with a third film. But at the right points....
-No more Two-Face. The man Harvey Dent is dead, as should be the freak accident known as Two-Face.
-No Joker in the third movie, re-casting him would be a terrible, terrible move as this role was Heath's last amazing performance. Anything else would be underminded.
I see the third film being about redemption and everyone accepting Batman. But who should the villian be....
hmmm...
-No more Two-Face. The man Harvey Dent is dead, as should be the freak accident known as Two-Face.
-No Joker in the third movie, re-casting him would be a terrible, terrible move as this role was Heath's last amazing performance. Anything else would be underminded.
I see the third film being about redemption and everyone accepting Batman. But who should the villian be....
hmmm...
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So, Engel was one of the hostages in the penthouse? Wow, totally missed it.
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Trying to replace Ledger would lead to it being a doomed role for BB3. People would compare it to Heath, and would result in already negative opinions about the movie despite its good qualities.
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Two things: A redemption theme as we now see Batman being hunted, even though the Commissioner is not avid in finding his prey. If this does close out the trilogy, then redemption has to be the underlying theme.
That being said, I still believe Dent plays a role in the third movie. I envision three "villians"; Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face. My reasons for this are as follows:
1) Riddler (my $.02, Steve Buscemi). Oldman already tossed the name out there as already having this character in line. The riddler-esque ARG from the viral was used by the Joker; I am not sure mainstream moviegoers that shelled out 155 million were part of the ARG. Having an ARG in an dof itsel fbrings about the need/notion for riddles/clues/games and the like. What other character can be its focal point? Imagine the little ?s scatterered around an about at comic-cons. Heck, even subtlety like "Edward Nygma, PI" ad in the classifieds on the Gotham Times would cause a groundswell.
I agree with postings throughout that the ultimate Riddle is who is Batman and this character being the "heavy" villian.
2) Catwoman (My $.02, Kate Beckinsdale (sp?)). Love interest door is open and the notion of Batman being torn between affection and the person who has his affections. Even this character could be redeemed into an anti-hero ala the current comic storyline.
3) Two-Face. At some point, he makes an appearance; assisting with the redemption of Batman. I do not think the director would go into as much support for the actor to not have him on for the two films.
The first movie laid the groundwork...it developed the Batman as vigilante. The second lit a fire under that groundwork; opened Batman's (our) eyes to the depravity of the world he chose to step into. This third movie needs ot focus on the detective; Batman as the ultimate problem solver/detective/Mensa member hero.
Just my thoughts....I welcome yours.
That being said, I still believe Dent plays a role in the third movie. I envision three "villians"; Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face. My reasons for this are as follows:
1) Riddler (my $.02, Steve Buscemi). Oldman already tossed the name out there as already having this character in line. The riddler-esque ARG from the viral was used by the Joker; I am not sure mainstream moviegoers that shelled out 155 million were part of the ARG. Having an ARG in an dof itsel fbrings about the need/notion for riddles/clues/games and the like. What other character can be its focal point? Imagine the little ?s scatterered around an about at comic-cons. Heck, even subtlety like "Edward Nygma, PI" ad in the classifieds on the Gotham Times would cause a groundswell.
I agree with postings throughout that the ultimate Riddle is who is Batman and this character being the "heavy" villian.
2) Catwoman (My $.02, Kate Beckinsdale (sp?)). Love interest door is open and the notion of Batman being torn between affection and the person who has his affections. Even this character could be redeemed into an anti-hero ala the current comic storyline.
3) Two-Face. At some point, he makes an appearance; assisting with the redemption of Batman. I do not think the director would go into as much support for the actor to not have him on for the two films.
The first movie laid the groundwork...it developed the Batman as vigilante. The second lit a fire under that groundwork; opened Batman's (our) eyes to the depravity of the world he chose to step into. This third movie needs ot focus on the detective; Batman as the ultimate problem solver/detective/Mensa member hero.
Just my thoughts....I welcome yours.
H
Huber31
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Two things: A redemption theme as we now see Batman being hunted, even though the Commissioner is not avid in finding his prey. If this does close out the trilogy, then redemption has to be the underlying theme.
That being said, I still believe Dent plays a role in the third movie. I envision three "villians"; Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face. My reasons for this are as follows:
1) Riddler (my $.02, Steve Buscemi). Oldman already tossed the name out there as already having this character in line. The riddler-esque ARG from the viral was used by the Joker; I am not sure mainstream moviegoers that shelled out 155 million were part of the ARG. Having an ARG in an dof itsel fbrings about the need/notion for riddles/clues/games and the like. What other character can be its focal point? Imagine the little ?s scatterered around an about at comic-cons. Heck, even subtlety like "Edward Nygma, PI" ad in the classifieds on the Gotham Times would cause a groundswell.
I agree with postings throughout that the ultimate Riddle is who is Batman and this character being the "heavy" villian.
2) Catwoman (My $.02, Kate Beckinsdale (sp?)). Love interest door is open and the notion of Batman being torn between affection and the person who has his affections. Even this character could be redeemed into an anti-hero ala the current comic storyline.
3) Two-Face. At some point, he makes an appearance; assisting with the redemption of Batman. I do not think the director would go into as much support for the actor to not have him on for the two films.
The first movie laid the groundwork...it developed the Batman as vigilante. The second lit a fire under that groundwork; opened Batman's (our) eyes to the depravity of the world he chose to step into. This third movie needs ot focus on the detective; Batman as the ultimate problem solver/detective/Mensa member hero.
Just my thoughts....I welcome yours.
That being said, I still believe Dent plays a role in the third movie. I envision three "villians"; Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face. My reasons for this are as follows:
1) Riddler (my $.02, Steve Buscemi). Oldman already tossed the name out there as already having this character in line. The riddler-esque ARG from the viral was used by the Joker; I am not sure mainstream moviegoers that shelled out 155 million were part of the ARG. Having an ARG in an dof itsel fbrings about the need/notion for riddles/clues/games and the like. What other character can be its focal point? Imagine the little ?s scatterered around an about at comic-cons. Heck, even subtlety like "Edward Nygma, PI" ad in the classifieds on the Gotham Times would cause a groundswell.
I agree with postings throughout that the ultimate Riddle is who is Batman and this character being the "heavy" villian.
2) Catwoman (My $.02, Kate Beckinsdale (sp?)). Love interest door is open and the notion of Batman being torn between affection and the person who has his affections. Even this character could be redeemed into an anti-hero ala the current comic storyline.
3) Two-Face. At some point, he makes an appearance; assisting with the redemption of Batman. I do not think the director would go into as much support for the actor to not have him on for the two films.
The first movie laid the groundwork...it developed the Batman as vigilante. The second lit a fire under that groundwork; opened Batman's (our) eyes to the depravity of the world he chose to step into. This third movie needs ot focus on the detective; Batman as the ultimate problem solver/detective/Mensa member hero.
Just my thoughts....I welcome yours.
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In addition to my synopsis a few posts up, the film will end with a scene where Alfred encourages Bruce to socialize, since Rachel's death he has been noticeably absent from the public eye. He arranges a date with Selina Kyle. As they meet, Selina says she has a surprise, she takes him to the opera, the same Opera House as you know what. "I hate operas..." Bruce says, but he goes with her anyway. While they watch a love story unfold, triggered by the epic romance on display, Bruce gets flashes of Rachel and him, flashes that span their entire life together, very similar to the flashes of the bats in Batman Begins, the flashes are not quick but haunting accompanying the love piece and just like in Batman Begins, he excuses himself for some fresh air. In the rush to leave quickly he sneaks out the back alley. He stands. Still. Realizing where he is. Realizing how he got back to this spot. realizing just how alone he really is. he falls to the ground and weeps. roll credits.
It would be a nice motif to bring the trilogy full circle.
It would be a nice motif to bring the trilogy full circle.
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IMO Black Mask would fit perfectly in the next movie.
"As a child his family was friends with the waynes but secretly hated them. Black Mask (Roman Sionis) eventually kills his parents because they didnt approve of his relationship with a girl(Circe). He takes over the family cosmetic business but the business starts to decline so Bruce decides bail them out as long as Roman agrees to allow Bruce replace them with his own board of directors. Eventually Black masks decides to get revenge on Bruce by kidnapping wayne enterprise employees and killing them one by one by putting masks on their faces and coating them in the deadly make-up once made by his cosmetics company."
This would eventuallly make Bruce bring batman out of hiding to go after Black Mask and his gang.
Catwoman/Selina would also be a good fit seeing as how rachael is gone and would work perfectly as a love interest in both Bruce and Batman
"As a child his family was friends with the waynes but secretly hated them. Black Mask (Roman Sionis) eventually kills his parents because they didnt approve of his relationship with a girl(Circe). He takes over the family cosmetic business but the business starts to decline so Bruce decides bail them out as long as Roman agrees to allow Bruce replace them with his own board of directors. Eventually Black masks decides to get revenge on Bruce by kidnapping wayne enterprise employees and killing them one by one by putting masks on their faces and coating them in the deadly make-up once made by his cosmetics company."
This would eventuallly make Bruce bring batman out of hiding to go after Black Mask and his gang.
Catwoman/Selina would also be a good fit seeing as how rachael is gone and would work perfectly as a love interest in both Bruce and Batman
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Catwoman would work well in BB3 because she not only fills the "love interest" role, but she walks on both sides of the law, tempting the Dark Knight in ways he's never been before he crossed her path.
He is attracted to her, but recognizes her choices and therefore can't bring himself to be with her. She seeks justice as he does against the mob lords who prey on Gotham City, but their way of doing things keep them apart, yet also manage to bring them together.
He is attracted to her, but recognizes her choices and therefore can't bring himself to be with her. She seeks justice as he does against the mob lords who prey on Gotham City, but their way of doing things keep them apart, yet also manage to bring them together.
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Im working on an outline right now... I have a little research and tweaking to do... but here is what I figure
- With Batman taking blame for the murders of 5 people, the mobsters are now scared of him. He still lurks around Gotham, and that's enough to deter them from breaking the law (mostly).
- With the outrage that Joker caused, more and more "freaks" take charge. Joker was the example and the inspiration to them. One thing I always felt was interesting was in the cartoon Arkham seemed as if it was on the outskirts... in Nolan's verse it's in the Narrows. Since the events of Batman Begins weren't really resolved, I figure a great opportunity to build a better, more secure Asylum. With Joker and Two Face some of its first tenants. Still there are many loons in the narrows, and loons that hadn't been caught that feel its their time to rise.
- With the mob deteriorating someone like the Ventriloquist could easily become prosperous. Same could include Penguin.
- Riddler for me seems like a must for this movie. He's not as malicious as Joker, but probably equally maniacal.
- I could see Killer Croc working for Penguin or Ventriloquist pretty easily, though its doubtful Nolan would go that route, but hey, it'd be different. Not to mention it could easily be made before Spider-man 4 and the rumors of the Lizard, so no worries there.
- It is an essential part of my outline that Two Face and perhaps even the Joker get broken out of Arkham. This will vindicate Batman to the public, though it will likely crush Gotham's moral, and turn its citizens against the justice system. Why would they make them turn on Batman? Its something that could never really be explained to them, and something they would never understand, but it will be essential. The benefit is now at least Batman and Gordon can work closer together. I still think they have private secret meetings.
The Dark Knight was very much a Crime/Drama story. Which played extremely well. I think the third needs to be as close to a war movie as you can. Not like Saving Private Ryan, but just chaos, confusion. Mass casualties.
I know it is unlikely to see any crossover's directly, but it would be nice to hear talks of Wayne Enterprises and Lexcorp, or even Queen Industries working together. I would like to see Wayne become less of a playboy and more of a public figure, doing things for the community. Not ditch the playboy role all together, just more involved and aware, the events of Dark Knight would make that incredibly easy. Wayne could rebuild the hospital, hell rebuild Arkham, use Wayne to benefit Batman.
As I said, Im working on a pretty solid outline right now that will demonstrate and explain
my ideas better, just thought I would give an example in case anyone see's where I'm going and has any ideas or suggestions to improve my idea.
- With Batman taking blame for the murders of 5 people, the mobsters are now scared of him. He still lurks around Gotham, and that's enough to deter them from breaking the law (mostly).
- With the outrage that Joker caused, more and more "freaks" take charge. Joker was the example and the inspiration to them. One thing I always felt was interesting was in the cartoon Arkham seemed as if it was on the outskirts... in Nolan's verse it's in the Narrows. Since the events of Batman Begins weren't really resolved, I figure a great opportunity to build a better, more secure Asylum. With Joker and Two Face some of its first tenants. Still there are many loons in the narrows, and loons that hadn't been caught that feel its their time to rise.
- With the mob deteriorating someone like the Ventriloquist could easily become prosperous. Same could include Penguin.
- Riddler for me seems like a must for this movie. He's not as malicious as Joker, but probably equally maniacal.
- I could see Killer Croc working for Penguin or Ventriloquist pretty easily, though its doubtful Nolan would go that route, but hey, it'd be different. Not to mention it could easily be made before Spider-man 4 and the rumors of the Lizard, so no worries there.
- It is an essential part of my outline that Two Face and perhaps even the Joker get broken out of Arkham. This will vindicate Batman to the public, though it will likely crush Gotham's moral, and turn its citizens against the justice system. Why would they make them turn on Batman? Its something that could never really be explained to them, and something they would never understand, but it will be essential. The benefit is now at least Batman and Gordon can work closer together. I still think they have private secret meetings.
The Dark Knight was very much a Crime/Drama story. Which played extremely well. I think the third needs to be as close to a war movie as you can. Not like Saving Private Ryan, but just chaos, confusion. Mass casualties.
I know it is unlikely to see any crossover's directly, but it would be nice to hear talks of Wayne Enterprises and Lexcorp, or even Queen Industries working together. I would like to see Wayne become less of a playboy and more of a public figure, doing things for the community. Not ditch the playboy role all together, just more involved and aware, the events of Dark Knight would make that incredibly easy. Wayne could rebuild the hospital, hell rebuild Arkham, use Wayne to benefit Batman.
As I said, Im working on a pretty solid outline right now that will demonstrate and explain
my ideas better, just thought I would give an example in case anyone see's where I'm going and has any ideas or suggestions to improve my idea.
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Hey guys,
This is my first time posting here since Begins came out, but I've been following TDK on this boards for quite a while now, since the viral marketing started. Anyway, I just caught the movie today, and alot of these ideas are fantastic, but this is how I legitimately see a third movie going down:
Basic Plot - The whole redemption theme everyone has been talking about is spot on in my opinion. With the cops and the mob (most likely) hunting Batman, it's not that hard to imagine that the GPD and the mob could possibly work together to take him in. Many people in the GPD now believe that Batman killed several of their fellow cops, so it's not hard too assume they would break the rules for revenge. Unfortunately for them, this IS Batman we are talking about, the same guy who took down a force of nature called the Joker that neither the police or the mob could control. Basically, they need help. They need get somebody of equal skill, intelligence, detective savy, and personal drive as Bruce Wayne. Enter...
Bane: Hear me out. Forget about the venom, and forget about "Knightfall." DEFNINATELY forget about Batman & Robin. Bane is simply an assasin, with a world-class reputation for those people, like the mob, who would need an assasin for hire. He has olympic level atheletic ability that is enhanced with your everyday steroids. He is also brilliant. Smarter than Bruce even. Think of an un-insane Joker, with an IQ of 300. He is hired by the mob and, off the books of course, the police to remove Batman. Gordon gives Batman the heads up, and Bruce/Alfred/Fox do their research on Bane. Bruce realizes that if anyone were capable of finding him and killing him, Bane is the man that could do it. However, this IS a Christopher Nolan movie (I hope!), and there must be twists...
Un-known to Bruce, the mob, and police, however, is Bane's affiliation with of The League of Shadows. In particular, the daughter of Bruce's mentor, Talia al Ghul. In my opinion, a romantic relationship by itself would not be sufficient enough to tie Bane with Talia and TLoS. But, what if Bane was Ra's' first student/"heir apparent", just prior to Bruce? He could have gone through superior training than what Bruce had gone through. He could have also failed Ra's in a similar way that Bruce had. Say, for instance, that Bane was too good of a student for Ra's to handle. Bane could have tried, and failed, to kill Ra's and take control of the League from him. Upon failing, he manages to escape and takes up a new identity, while still being tied romantically with Talia.
With Ra's and much of TLoS now dead at the hands of Ra's "true" heir, Bruce/Batman, a situation is created with TLoS and Bane very similar to that seen with the mob and the Joker in TDK. Talia, the interm leader of TLoS, wants to avenge her father and finish the job he started. Bane learns this, and manipulates Talia into thinking that wants to help her. His true motives, however, are to remove Talia and take control of TLoS and, of course, to break the man that became Bane's replacement to Ra's: Bruce/Batman.
**Ok ok, I know this is long and sort of out there (I more or less re-wrote Bane's backstory), but so far what do you guys think? I think that numerous parallels could be drawn between Batman and Bane, among other things. Plus, the re-introduction of TLoS would bring the trilogy full circle. I got work in the am and need sleep asap, but I'll be back with how I fit in the "redemption" theme if enough people like this concept. Thanks!**
This is my first time posting here since Begins came out, but I've been following TDK on this boards for quite a while now, since the viral marketing started. Anyway, I just caught the movie today, and alot of these ideas are fantastic, but this is how I legitimately see a third movie going down:
Basic Plot - The whole redemption theme everyone has been talking about is spot on in my opinion. With the cops and the mob (most likely) hunting Batman, it's not that hard to imagine that the GPD and the mob could possibly work together to take him in. Many people in the GPD now believe that Batman killed several of their fellow cops, so it's not hard too assume they would break the rules for revenge. Unfortunately for them, this IS Batman we are talking about, the same guy who took down a force of nature called the Joker that neither the police or the mob could control. Basically, they need help. They need get somebody of equal skill, intelligence, detective savy, and personal drive as Bruce Wayne. Enter...
Bane: Hear me out. Forget about the venom, and forget about "Knightfall." DEFNINATELY forget about Batman & Robin. Bane is simply an assasin, with a world-class reputation for those people, like the mob, who would need an assasin for hire. He has olympic level atheletic ability that is enhanced with your everyday steroids. He is also brilliant. Smarter than Bruce even. Think of an un-insane Joker, with an IQ of 300. He is hired by the mob and, off the books of course, the police to remove Batman. Gordon gives Batman the heads up, and Bruce/Alfred/Fox do their research on Bane. Bruce realizes that if anyone were capable of finding him and killing him, Bane is the man that could do it. However, this IS a Christopher Nolan movie (I hope!), and there must be twists...
Un-known to Bruce, the mob, and police, however, is Bane's affiliation with of The League of Shadows. In particular, the daughter of Bruce's mentor, Talia al Ghul. In my opinion, a romantic relationship by itself would not be sufficient enough to tie Bane with Talia and TLoS. But, what if Bane was Ra's' first student/"heir apparent", just prior to Bruce? He could have gone through superior training than what Bruce had gone through. He could have also failed Ra's in a similar way that Bruce had. Say, for instance, that Bane was too good of a student for Ra's to handle. Bane could have tried, and failed, to kill Ra's and take control of the League from him. Upon failing, he manages to escape and takes up a new identity, while still being tied romantically with Talia.
With Ra's and much of TLoS now dead at the hands of Ra's "true" heir, Bruce/Batman, a situation is created with TLoS and Bane very similar to that seen with the mob and the Joker in TDK. Talia, the interm leader of TLoS, wants to avenge her father and finish the job he started. Bane learns this, and manipulates Talia into thinking that wants to help her. His true motives, however, are to remove Talia and take control of TLoS and, of course, to break the man that became Bane's replacement to Ra's: Bruce/Batman.
**Ok ok, I know this is long and sort of out there (I more or less re-wrote Bane's backstory), but so far what do you guys think? I think that numerous parallels could be drawn between Batman and Bane, among other things. Plus, the re-introduction of TLoS would bring the trilogy full circle. I got work in the am and need sleep asap, but I'll be back with how I fit in the "redemption" theme if enough people like this concept. Thanks!**
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Ok Here's my idea for the third movie:
END GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!
So what do you think?
Working Title: Batman:The SUperhero.
The film begins with Batman on the run from the cops, this starts to piss Batman off, so he kills the cops chasing him. Early in the film Gotham City is under attack by the supervillains, The Riddler and The Penguin, Batman takes care of this threat really quick though as he just uses the flamethrower in his new tricked out Batmobile to kill them.
We get some shots of the newly completed Wayne Manor, where Bruce Wayne hosts neon disco parties every week.
Early in the film Batman has some bad dreams where he discovers it wasn't Joe Chill who killed his parents, it was the Joker!!!! So Batman goes to Arkham Asylum and pops the Joker in the ass with a shotgun. Revenge at it's finenest.
In this film Commisioner Gordan doesn't do much of anything and just bumbles around like an idiot, so Batman adopts Gordan's two kids and makes them Robin and Batgirl.
At this point of the movie Batman starts to think that the movie could be worse then Batman and Robin so he retires.
Now here's the big plottwist, not only did Two Face survive the fall at the end of TDK, but Racheal is alive to. The warehouse she was in was a meth lab, and a combination of meth, poison ivy and the explosion transformed her into the super powered Poison IVY!!!! So Two Face and Poison Ivy team up and try and become the evil king and queen of Gotham City and maybe the world!
Since Racheal knows Bruce is Batman, they break into the Batcave and destroy everything.
The next day Bruce desides he has to be Batman again and he goes down to the Batcave and finds it destroyed, but a super awesome Bat suit with nipples and a super awesome Bat plane appear out of nowhere for Batman to use.
Batman flies to Twoface and Poison Ivy's secret headquarters and has a huge battle with them. This battle is just huge and has a ton of CGI and cheesy one-liners. Eventually Batman wins and order is restored in Gotham. Now Batman is a hero again.
After the credits role, Batman returns to the Batcave, where Superman (played by Samuel L Jackson) is waiting for him. Superman says, "You didn't think you were the only super awesome super hero out there did you? Well we're all starting a league and you better join otherwise your ass is gonna be grass."
The film begins with Batman on the run from the cops, this starts to piss Batman off, so he kills the cops chasing him. Early in the film Gotham City is under attack by the supervillains, The Riddler and The Penguin, Batman takes care of this threat really quick though as he just uses the flamethrower in his new tricked out Batmobile to kill them.
We get some shots of the newly completed Wayne Manor, where Bruce Wayne hosts neon disco parties every week.
Early in the film Batman has some bad dreams where he discovers it wasn't Joe Chill who killed his parents, it was the Joker!!!! So Batman goes to Arkham Asylum and pops the Joker in the ass with a shotgun. Revenge at it's finenest.
In this film Commisioner Gordan doesn't do much of anything and just bumbles around like an idiot, so Batman adopts Gordan's two kids and makes them Robin and Batgirl.
At this point of the movie Batman starts to think that the movie could be worse then Batman and Robin so he retires.
Now here's the big plottwist, not only did Two Face survive the fall at the end of TDK, but Racheal is alive to. The warehouse she was in was a meth lab, and a combination of meth, poison ivy and the explosion transformed her into the super powered Poison IVY!!!! So Two Face and Poison Ivy team up and try and become the evil king and queen of Gotham City and maybe the world!
Since Racheal knows Bruce is Batman, they break into the Batcave and destroy everything.
The next day Bruce desides he has to be Batman again and he goes down to the Batcave and finds it destroyed, but a super awesome Bat suit with nipples and a super awesome Bat plane appear out of nowhere for Batman to use.
Batman flies to Twoface and Poison Ivy's secret headquarters and has a huge battle with them. This battle is just huge and has a ton of CGI and cheesy one-liners. Eventually Batman wins and order is restored in Gotham. Now Batman is a hero again.
After the credits role, Batman returns to the Batcave, where Superman (played by Samuel L Jackson) is waiting for him. Superman says, "You didn't think you were the only super awesome super hero out there did you? Well we're all starting a league and you better join otherwise your ass is gonna be grass."
END GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!
So what do you think?
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It could work. The whole Catwoman theme could work with her affiliation with the Falcone family from the comics. Now the final showdown at a circus feels very "Batman Forever"-ish. But I do like. End the trilogy with a Robin hint.
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I agree completely w/ Huber31. Exactly what I would like to see, plus I never thought of it but Steve Buscemi would make a perfect Riddler imo. Though I also think instead of the Riddler, Black Mask would certainly work too. Either or but definitely include Catwoman and Two Face regardless. Or maybe include Talia al Ghul in some manner INSTEAD of Catwoman if Nolan/WB are against bringing Catwoman to the big screen. I also like the idea that some people have mentioned in having Bane make an appearance as a hitman.
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