BvS Batman-Superman Movie in 2015

[TX85]

Agreed

 

[Two-Face]

The new logo without the S

Meh. I hope they can change it a bit.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

I was unsure of the logo with the Superman logo covering it, but if the logo does look like that then i'll be fine with it. Not my first choice, but it's not awful.

 

[Mike_D202]

I'm pretty sure it was just an announcement logo. Not the official logo. Hell, they didn't even start pre-production yet (and that's when they normally come up with the concept art).

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't mind that logo

 

[Bad Superman]

Batman VS MOS. . . . "Thrilled". . . . .

I would've been excited with this announcement if there was an actual contrast between the two characters (tone wise). The only thing that makes them different is super powers.

Let the battle for who's the darkest and most brooding begin. . . . . . .

 

[Bathead]

Hopefully, it's just a place holder. It's not that it's bad, but it's just too blocky for my tastes.

I suspect that's exactly what it is.

 

[J.Drangal]

As we speak of logo, I have a question :
Since there is no release date for the MOS dvd and blu-ray, anyone think that they'll maybe change the Wayne Enterprise logo on the satellite to match with the next take on Batman ? Or do you think they'll leave Nolan's one like a tribute ?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Batman VS MOS. . . . "Thrilled". . . . .

I would've been excited with this announcement if there was an actual contrast between the two characters (tone wise). The only thing that makes them different is super powers.

Let the battle for who's the darkest and most brooding begin. . . . . . .

Superman is still Superman in Man of Steel, the most notable difference is the costume

 

[Bad Superman]

Superman is still Superman in Man of Steel, the most notable difference is the costume

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

some people just can't be pleased. you've got the reeve films to hold you over. nothing to worry about then.

 

[shauner111]

How is he NOT Superman in MOS? Keep watching the corny old movies then.

 

[EssayM]

Why do so many people, in defending MOS, feel the need to dump on the Reeve films? You know they're both good movies (excepting maybe 3 and 4), so why put down one to build up the other? Or do you actually think Goyer is a better writer than Mario Puzo?

 

[The Shape]

Well, he wasnt "Superman" for the entirety of the film. He only really embodied his new persona by the end. Like any person, he stumbled along the way. Letting his father die isn't something "Superman" would do, but it was something Clark did; one of his many life choices that later molded him into the man who stands for the guiding light of truth/justice. His father had convinced him to NOT stand out in from of the human race until Clark (and the humans) were ready. Now that he is Superman, he would never knowingly let someone die in front of him, since he has nothing to hide from us.

I trust Superman will definitely be much BETTER at being Superman this time. I mean, Clark was thrust into a world-threatening, death-defying situation before he had ever even physically fought anyone. By the time this WF starts, he will have had to time to home his skills, develop even more control of his powers, and learn from his mistakes. Just like any human being would. Although Superman is God-like in so many ways, he was still raised as a human being. He is as much a human being who has emotions and may make mistakes as he is a perfect alien specimen.

I'm actually the most pumped to see how this new Batman and Superman act towards each other, and ultimately learn from each other. It's going to be exciting to see how this lasting friendship (and sort-of the ultimate superhero alliance) begins....after they beat the crap out of each other.

 

[Aztec]

Can we all just agree that no matter what WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BATMAN ORIGIN STORY? I mean we all know who he is right? We can all just accept his presence as a character at this point right?

This allows fans (like myself) to at least keep the film loosely in continuity with the Nolan franchise. Hence in my signature why I refer to this film (and Man of Steel) as part of the Nolanverse.

A "soft reboot" is clearly the answer here....although I'd be all for Bale, Caine, Oldman, and Freeman returning if that should happen.

 

[Shikamaru]

Out of all the problems MOS had, Superman himself was not one of them IMO. I absolutely loved this version of Superman. While I still think Christopher Reeve is the best Superman, I thought Cavill was the next best thing and I even think he has the potential to surpass him down the line if/when he gets a really fantastic script.

As for the way they characterized Superman himself, I thought it was great. He feels very much to me like John Byrne's Superman. Superman is meant to be a symbol of hope for humanity, which is very accurate to what Superman is all about. He has Godlike powers, but he can't lift an entire continent. They established him to be a God walking among us while still remembering the fact that Superman is a human on the inside before he is a Kryptonian.

As for Clark letting his dad die, you have to keep in mind that not only he was instructed to do so by his own father but he was also just a teenage kid at the time. Regardless of how moral a teenager is, he is by no means perfect or the man of all morals as Superman is intended to be, especially when put in a situation in which his father wants him to do what he instructs him because he believes it is the right thing to do. And regardless of whether or not you agreed with Jonathan Kent's decision, I don't think any of us would disagree that his decision did not have any rational thought whatsoever. You might not have done the same thing if Clark was your son, but I think we can all understand a bit where his dad was coming from.

MOS' problems were the script and the execution of certain parts. The story has a few problems and feels like it is missing a second act. The pacing itself is odd at times and a bit all over the place. Certain flashbacks are placed awkwardly and certain scenes could have been executed a bit better to feel more powerful. However, I wouldn't say that any of the characters felt out of character. All of the film's problems can easily be fixed in a sequel simply by having Goyer co-write it with someone else (which is sadly not the case for WF ).

 

[Bad Superman]

some people just can't be pleased. you've got the reeve films to hold you over. nothing to worry about then.

You got that right. And, by the way, since you brought up the Reeve films, as a Superman fan, I got a little more than the Reeve films.

How is he NOT Superman in MOS? Keep watching the corny old movies then.

Again, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Not interested in discussing this on this thread but there are many reasons.

As for your last sentence, I will quote fellow poster The Batman:

I do find it funny that while some MOS fans hate how the critics supposedly dislike the movie out of nostalgia for the old, they essentially don't like STM because it dosen't fit their 21st century mandate for a Superman film. Heck, some MOS fans only seem to like it because its modern, and therefore "Theirs".

Why do so many people, in defending MOS, feel the need to dump on the Reeve films? You know they're both good movies (excepting maybe 3 and 4), so why put down one to build up the other? Or do you actually think Goyer is a better writer than Mario Puzo?

It's because they don't get the Superman character. Just their ideal dark and brooding version "relatable to the "modern" viewers".

It's amazing how one comment regarding the Batman/Superman film has pissed off some MOS fans and how everything Superman prior MOS seems to be a sacrilege. . . . .

 

[The Shape]

Definitely not going to get an origin story at the start of the film. They way I picture it, Clark will obviously discover Batman's identity (probably as soon as sees through his mask) and he will investigate Bruce Wayne. A simple Google search, along with some files, will show the audience that Bruce Wayne's parents were tragically killed, and Clark surmises this has something to do with Bruce becoming Batman. Later, Superman could ask Batman/Bruce about his past, and we could get a few short (but powerful) lines that define his backstory and motivations as Batman.

That would be effective and more than enough for the audience to understand and relate
to Batman. Snyder and co. arent stupid enough to try to do another "beginning of Batman" story. We can learn more about his past in future films.

 

[Shikamaru]

It's because they don't get the Superman character. Just their ideal dark and brooding version "relatable to the "modern" viewers".

May I ask how Superman is dark and brooding in MOS? I'm not talking about the film itself or the tone. I'm talking about Superman himself as a character.

 

[shauner111]

He becomes Superman at the end of the movie. Mentally. To say he wasn't Superman in MOS, well you just don't know what you're talking about. YOU don't get the character. If you thought he was just brooding in MOS, then you weren't paying attention and you certainly don't get the point that he's not really Superman until the end.

 

[shauner111]

I honestly wouldn't mind a flashback to his childhood. Like a quick one in crime alley. A different kid, different parents from Batman Begins. I don't think its going to happen, nor is it necessary, but I wouldn't mind it done briefly.

 

[Bad Superman]

Definitely not going to get an origin story at the start of the film. They way I picture it, Clark will obviously discover Batman's identity (probably as soon as sees through his mask) and he will investigate Bruce Wayne. A simple Google search, along with some files, will show the audience that Bruce Wayne's parents were tragically killed, and Clark surmises this has something to do with Bruce becoming Batman. Later, Superman could ask Batman/Bruce about his past, and we could get a few short (but powerful) lines that define his backstory and motivations as Batman.

That would be effective and more than enough for the audience to understand and relate
to Batman. Snyder and co. arent stupid enough to try to do another "beginning of Batman" story. We can learn more about his past in future films.

I thought of a similar scenario. Sometime during the film when Clark and Bruce discover each other's identities and are having a conversation or Superman checking out the Bruce Wayne files there could be a small flashback on Bruce's parents getting killed and him becoming Batman. I think the way they shoot those flashbacks should be used for the next Batman solo film so it can be tied in nicely for continuity's sake.

 

[Bad Superman]

He becomes Superman at the end of the movie. Mentally. To say he wasn't Superman in MOS, well you just don't know what you're talking about. YOU don't get the character. If you thought he was just brooding in MOS, then you weren't paying attention and you certainly don't get the point that he's not really Superman until the end.

 

[747]

Man of Steel definitely had it's problems for me, but Superman/Clark characterization was not one of them, especially not in the context it was presented. It was a journey towards becoming Superman. Hell even Goyer himself said at comic con that Clark will be more of a fully formed Superman in Superman/Batman.

 

[bapi]

I totally love this logo!