BvS Batman-Superman Movie in 2015

Man of Steel definitely had it's problems for me, but Superman/Clark characterization was not one of them, especially not in the context it was presented. It was a journey towards becoming Superman. Hell even Goyer himself said at comic con that Clark will be more of a fully formed Superman in Superman/Batman.

I think that's one of the major problems.

From: http://www.slashfilm.com/david-goyer-in-2006-explains-why-he-wouldnt-ever-be-good-to-write-superman/

In the interview, Goyer states:

“In the case of Blade, he is acting heroically, but the rest of the world thinks he’s a vigilante. As is the case with Batman. … I don’t think I’d ever be good to write Superman because it is the opposite… [the interviewer says "he's angst free"] Yeah. And I wouldn’t know the angle because I’m so angst ridden so I wouldn’t know what to do with a character like that.”

That was noticeable in his writing for MOS.

His "angle" could work for Batman, just not for Superman, IMO.
 
Perfect response I was looking for. Now do you see how stupid that sounds? That's how I felt with your post. If you choose not to pay attention to the movie your watching then fine but don't come on here and act like HE WASNT THE CHARACTER! :whatever:. I saw Superman on screen. But I also saw Clark going through things that will MAKE him into the Superman we know and love. It was a story showing the journey of Kal/Clark into becoming Superman. Learning things about himself and mankind. Goyer has even confirmed this and says the sequel (Superman/Batman) he will at some point in the film be fully formed.
 
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The new logo without the S

I'm confident this will NOT be the logo Batman sports on his chest. Strip that bat symbol away from the "logo" of this movie, yes, this is what you could. But I imagine his chest symbol will have more scallops on not necessarily be an out line of the "S" logo shape with ears.
 
Perfect response I was looking for. Now do you see how stupid that sounds? That's how I felt with your post. If you choose not to pay attention to the movie your watching then fine but don't come on here and act like HE WASNT THE CHARACTER! :whatever:. I saw Superman on screen. But I also saw Clark going through things that will MAKE him into the Superman we know and love. It was a story showing the journey of Kal/Clark into becoming Superman. Learning things about himself and mankind. Goyer has even confirmed this and says the sequel (Superman/Batman) he will at some point in the film be fully formed.

What sounds stupid? That single little icon got you THAT angry? Or are you upset because I chose to ignore the rest of your rabid rant? I came to this thread to voice my opinion on the Batman/Superman film, but you want to turn this into a MOS discussion, which I'm not interested in doing.

Take a deep breath and relax.
 
Man of Steel definitely had it's problems for me, but Superman/Clark characterization was not one of them, especially not in the context it was presented. It was a journey towards becoming Superman. Hell even Goyer himself said at comic con that Clark will be more of a fully formed Superman in Superman/Batman.

i really wish more people would understand this.
 
What sounds stupid? That single little icon got you THAT angry? Or are you upset because I chose to ignore the rest of your rabid rant? I came to this thread to voice my opinion on the Batman/Superman film, but you want to turn this into a MOS discussion, which I'm not interested in doing.

Take a deep breath and relax.
Classic dodging.
 
Why would anyone say Superman is angst free?
Golden Age Superman was angsty
Earth 1 Superman (pre-Crisis on Infinite earth's) had times of angst a plenty, about what Lex does to him, about him causing the death of the Kent's, and about other stuff
Post Crisis Superman has enough angst moments about impregnating Lois, a little girl dying and being placed in a cardboard box under a bridge, he started making jokes and wrecking the city stopping criminals
Smallville Clark was anxious for being invulnerable
Old movies Superman has enough angst

The real differences between Superman and Batman in personality is one choosing to act basically nocturnal and smiles a little less
 

Someone should photoshop me in there.

I would still like to know why/how Superman was dark and brooding in MOS. It is not going off topic, since Superman's personality and character will play a major part in the Batman/Superman dynamic they establish.
 
There is a comic by John Byrne of a first meeting between Superman and Batman, Superman tried to arrest Batman without a fight cause he (Batman) is wanted, but Batman convinced him he shouldn't by trickery, they teamed-up to catch the story villain, and Superman saw the truth behind Batman's bluff and why they are better as allies

The story of this movie should take inspiration from that story rather than pitting them against one another in a fight.
The villain in that story is Magpie
 
It blows my mind that some people are against this movie. How can a Batman/Superman fan not want to see this? It's a dream movie coming true.
 
Clark did have somewhat of a brooding side in the film, but only if you compare it to previous incarnations of the character. Years of isolation did that to him. He had some doubts about whether mankind was worth trusting. The priest had to convince him to take a leap of faith. He wasn't all smiles and sunshine before asserting his identity. In other words, he basically was kind of like how any normal person would react in his shoes.

I'm fine with it, but this does give Clark a more complex and potentially cynical view of humanity as a starting point than in a more traditional take on the Superman mythos. I completely agree that he does evolve into the Clark/Superman we know by the last scene of the film though, and that's what's important going forward.
 
Superman was brooding in Man of Steel?......when?
 
In MOS, Clark brooded a lot in his childhood... which is understandable for any kid going through something drastic. He didn't do it so much as an adult.
 
Out of all the problems MOS had, Superman himself was not one of them IMO. I absolutely loved this version of Superman. While I still think Christopher Reeve is the best Superman, I thought Cavill was the next best thing and I even think he has the potential to surpass him down the line if/when he gets a really fantastic script.

As for the way they characterized Superman himself, I thought it was great. He feels very much to me like John Byrne's Superman. Superman is meant to be a symbol of hope for humanity, which is very accurate to what Superman is all about. He has Godlike powers, but he can't lift an entire continent. They established him to be a God walking among us while still remembering the fact that Superman is a human on the inside before he is a Kryptonian.

As for Clark letting his dad die, you have to keep in mind that not only he was instructed to do so by his own father but he was also just a teenage kid at the time. Regardless of how moral a teenager is, he is by no means perfect or the man of all morals as Superman is intended to be, especially when put in a situation in which his father wants him to do what he instructs him because he believes it is the right thing to do. And regardless of whether or not you agreed with Jonathan Kent's decision, I don't think any of us would disagree that his decision did not have any rational thought whatsoever. You might not have done the same thing if Clark was your son, but I think we can all understand a bit where his dad was coming from.

MOS' problems were the script and the execution of certain parts. The story has a few problems and feels like it is missing a second act. The pacing itself is odd at times and a bit all over the place. Certain flashbacks are placed awkwardly and certain scenes could have been executed a bit better to feel more powerful. However, I wouldn't say that any of the characters felt out of character. All of the film's problems can easily be fixed in a sequel simply by having Goyer co-write it with someone else (which is sadly not the case for WF :csad:).

You pretty much summed up everything of how I felt about MOS.
 
This is an exciting concept for a movie but....


If Zack Snyder is directing the movie, I'm not expecting it to be great.

I assume you haven't seen his masterpieces like watchmen, MOS AND 300? It'll be epic...
 
I don't like this idea at all. I don't want to see movie that has both Batman and Superman. At least they should reboot Batman in his own movie first before this.

another reboot... oh no!!! snyder will be putting an stablished batman... why change the origin? It's fresh man...
 
It blows my mind that some people are against this movie. How can a Batman/Superman fan not want to see this? It's a dream movie coming true.

It's really a big dream, but I'm not excited because I didn't like Man of Steel. The movie was a mess. Bad direction, bad script, bad photography, bad special effects, even the soundtrack of hans zimmer wasn't good.
Nevertheless, I liked Cavill and other actors. Were the only good things in the movie.

Also, when I read this news I was like what? After all those negative comments warner will still maintain goyer and snyder?
I'm sorry, but it seems a desperate move to me.

:csad:
 
Dark story/film =/= dark character. Clark wasn't Woody Allen, but you guys act like he was Rorschach. I think some of you wish he was Woody Allen.
 
Agreed with Shikamaru, MoS' script was very problematic, but Clark/Superman was not the problem. It's the one thing I won't be worried about in the future.
 

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