The Dark Knight Rises Batman: To "Die".. or Not To "Die:?

[Mach2Infinity]

I think far too many are taking Nolan's words like "finality" and "conclusion" way too literally. "Finality" and "conclusion" do not necessaerliy mean actual "death". Just like in the Tarot, a lot of people mistakenly think the Death card literally is predicting a death, (you see this al the time in movies and the like,) when all the Death card (according to actual tarot lore) really means is "change".

"Finality" was a term I used to describe what I interpreted from Nolan's statement. I think you're right. Actually I am familiar with the 'death' card in tarot. It means the end of one phase or period, change as you said. Although it's natural to be concerned given the language he's used there as one could take it to mean that the character is coming to an end as it were. I'd like to think it simply means his story-arc will finish and a new one will begin with the next creative team to handle the character.

 

[TkHnEiDgAhRtK33]

I really believe that Gotham will think that Batman is dead. Maybe after the initial battle with Bane, Bruce is retained by the LoS and kept in on of their prisons while Bane reeks havoc on Gotham with Batman kept out of the way. He can't ruin things while in custody like he did for Ra's in BB. Alfred and Luscious could even think he's dead. He then escapes from the prison, returns to Gotham, visits Gordon, and begins to dismantle Banes plan until the ultimate climax battle when Batman and Bane battle for the life of Gotham City.

 

[KalMart]

I do not think the title character will die in a movie in which the title states that he is going to rise. Just sayin'.

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[Bathead]

That's just one fans interpretation, and not one I personaly would agree with, nor do I think it likely.

 

[Leenie]

I don't really have a strong opinion about this topic at the moment, except for this:

If Batman does become a martyr, then that will most definitely be one of the ballsiest moves in cinema history.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

I think if Batman "Dies" in the film. It would be cool to have him sort of fade out of public knowledge to the point where the Batman becomes more of a myth rather than a fact. People would go on to doubt any sightings from then on but he would still be there patrolling the streets from the shadows and rooftops.

 

[BatFan88]

I think if Batman "Dies" in the film. It would be cool to have him sort of fade out of public knowledge to the point where the Batman becomes more of a myth rather than a fact. People would go on to doubt any sightings from then on but he would still be there patrolling the streets from the shadows and rooftops.

Yeah totally agree.Thats ectactly what i was thinking of.

 

[Sith Scotti]

I am starting to warm up to Bats faking his death ala The Dark Knight Returns and leading an underground movement with Selena .

 

[MultipleJesuses]

I am starting to warm up to Bats faking his death ala The Dark Knight Returns and leading an underground movement with Selena .

Yeah! Thats what I meant!

Plus it opens up a possible movie at a later time based on Dark Knight Returns

 

[BatFan88]

I am starting to warm up to Bats faking his death ala The Dark Knight Returns and leading an underground movement with Selena .

That would also be really cool.

 

[nocomics]

I don't think I would have a issue if they 'killed' Batman so as they do it in dramtic,climatic way that shows him giving his all before dieing,and not in some sort of cheesy way.
Like one poster said,hes only a mortal and he can be killed and I think it would end this trilogy in a devistation and climatic way. Now,saying that I don't think it would or will happen as one post said maybe fading off into a myth status instead of actual dieing?
Anywho, I think I'm looking forward to this more so than TDK right now.

 

[coderaven24]

He will not die.

WB will want to leave a door open not to reboot.
The answer is, think what is most profitable for WB.

 

[Doc Samson]

He will not die.

WB will want to leave a door open not to reboot.
The answer is, think what is most profitable for WB.

Well, for starters, this is a very nuanced version of Batman, I'm sure whoever comes next would want some flexibility to use Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Man-Bat, Clayface or whoever they wanted, along with their own costume, car, history etc. Plus, didn't WB already hint that they were going to reboot regardless?

Anyhow, this is something I posted in another thread, which I think makes sense, basically trying to affect change through Thomas Wayne methods as opposed to punching criminals in the face all the time:

And this is what I think will lead to the "end" of Nolan's Batman. Not a literal death, but a symbolic one, or at least, a semi-retirement. If you think about it, everything his family stood for, he's spent the past two films destroying.

In BB, as soon as Alfred gets done scolding Bruce about not ruining his father's name, he turns right around and does it to save everybody at the birthday party. Then the mansion that sheltered generations of his family gets burned down because of him. Then he proceeds to destroy his father's train, to save the day lol.

In TDK, he does nothing to repair his personal image as Bruce Wayne, even taking it further by falling asleep at board meetings & making a mockery of Harvey Dent, while helping of course . Then, Dent & Rachel die indirectly because of his exploits.

At some point, he has to start wondering about all this, and how he might possibly be able to affect change with his mask off. I think beginning to walk in his father's footsteps is a satisfying & interesting way to end the trilogy & bring it full circle, with the ability to don the costume once again if ever Gotham needed him...

 

[MultipleJesuses]

He will not die.

WB will want to leave a door open not to reboot.
The answer is, think what is most profitable for WB.

Exactly, so having him "die" in public image but having him still alive would leave the whole story open to more movies.

If Clooney's Batman had of died at the end of B&R we still would have seen Batman Begins.

 

[CJ]

Um. No.

Nolan said his trilogy takes place during the "early days" of Batman's career, meaning he'll be Batman long after the trilogy is over.

 

[Nevincer]

I don't really have a strong opinion about this topic at the moment, except for this:

If Batman does become a martyr, then that will most definitely be one of the ballsiest moves in cinema history.

Agreed.

 

[slimshady247]

He will not die.

WB will want to leave a door open not to reboot.
The answer is, think what is most profitable for WB.

WB doesn't have any creative control over Nolan. If Nolan wants to "kill" Batman and close the book on his story, he'll do it sans interference.

Anyway, an ending a la The Dark Knight Returns would be pretty fantastic.

 

[CJ]

Uh. Yes they do. I doubt WB would interfere, Nolan has been delivering them box-office hits again and again, so they'll just let him do his thing.

But if they wanted to, they COULD interfere and have creative control over him. Nolan works for WB, not the other way around.

 

[slimshady247]

Uh. Yes they do. I doubt WB would interfere, Nolan has been delivering them box-office hits again and again, so they'll just let him do his thing.

But if they wanted to, they COULD interfere and have creative control over him. Nolan works for WB, not the other way around.

Theoretically, they could, but they won't. If they do interfere....

 

[Bathead]

WB doesn't have any creative control over Nolan. If Nolan wants to "kill" Batman and close the book on his story, he'll do it sans interference.

Anyway, an ending a la The Dark Knight Returns would be pretty fantastic.

The thing is, there is no reason to believe he will kill him off. I don't know where this comes from.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Bill Finger is probably rolling in his grave with the thought of killing the Batman!

Fixed.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

The thing is, there is no reason to believe he will kill him off. I don't know where this comes from.

Just pure speculation based on the fact that this series is far more dramatic, dark, and high-stakes than the last one, and that this will be Nolan's "last film in the series."

I think this movie needs to end just like The Wrestler did. That ending would keep The Dark Knight Rises being talked about for, oh, I dunno... The next, maybe, thousand years or so?

 

[Doc Holliday]

Fixed.

Because Bob Kane wouldn't care?

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Um. No.

Nolan said his trilogy takes place during the "early days" of Batman's career, meaning he'll be Batman long after the trilogy is over.

Nolan said that about the movies he was making, not about the movie that he hadn't even thought about beginning production on. This statement is irrelevant, as passing comments have no weight in what we're actually going to see.

If I directed the movie and said, "Poison Ivy is going to be the villain," and we got The Dark Knight after all, was Poison Ivy the villain?

No, she wasn't. The Joker was. And I'm pretty sure he isn't Poison Ivy.

 

[coderaven24]

Theoretically, they could, but they won't. If they do interfere....

I also sure Nolan is not a dick. If warners bros said please don;t kill our only DC cash cow.
I know yoru tired of making them, thats fine but please.



you think he would?