The Dark Knight Rises Batman: To "Die".. or Not To "Die:?

[Llama_Shepherd]

I also sure Nolan is not a dick. If warners bros said please don;t kill our only DC cash cow.
I know yoru tired of making them, thats fine but please.



you think he would?

Perhaps we should call him Christopher....










Trollan.

 

[hulk24]

i hope bane kills all the major characters so that its just batman and bane and they both die and then batman wakes up and spins a baterang and itwobbles then credits

 

[Kynergy]

I also sure Nolan is not a dick. If warners bros said please don;t kill our only DC cash cow.
I know yoru tired of making them, thats fine but please.



you think he would?

I think he would. We know that this is the last of Nolan's movies, but not the last Batman movie. Just because Nolan kills off the character doesn't mean another movie can't be made. We are getting a reboot after this, so even if Batman dies, it's not the end of Batman movies. It's just the end of Nolan's story, and a new one will started after this.

Now I'm not saying Batman will die. There are a lot of different ways that Nolan could end his story. Killing Batman is just another option. At this point, it's just as likely that Batman wont die, than it is that he will die. With the little info we have on this movie, no one can say for sure what will happen. But, you have to be open to the fact that Batman's death is entirely possible in this movie. Keep an open mind about the film, and don't let Batman's death ruin the film for you. It's all part of Nolan's story, and it's going to be great whether he dies or not.

 

[slimshady247]

The thing is, there is no reason to believe he will kill him off. I don't know where this comes from.

I never said that he can't do one thing without doing the other. He can certainly close the book on his story without killing Batman, which I would prefer.

I also sure Nolan is not a dick. If warners bros said please don;t kill our only DC cash cow.
I know yoru tired of making them, thats fine but please.



you think he would?

BG&S;DR

 

[Diemtay]

There's only 4 ways the trilogy can end...

1. - Bruce gives up being Batman (willingly, or forced)
2. - Bruce continues being Batman
3. - Bruce dies.
4. - Ambigious ending like Inception

Is there any other possible way the trilogy can end?

 

[Doc Holliday]

There's only 3 ways the trilogy can end...

1. - Bruce gives up being Batman (willingly, or forced)
2. - Bruce continues being Batman
3. - Bruce dies.


Is there any other possible way the trilogy can end?

Like the Sopranos?

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[Diemtay]

Like the Sopranos?

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Alright, 4th option added.

 

[Octavias]

Um. No.

Nolan said his trilogy takes place during the "early days" of Batman's career, meaning he'll be Batman long after the trilogy is over.

I agree with this. I believe the conclusion of the trilogy will show Bruce that he is irrevocably locked into the Batman persona. That he isnt going to fix everything, quit, and have a normal life like he almost suggested to Rachel at the end of the first film.

 

[BatBat]

I agree with this. I believe the conclusion of the trilogy will show Bruce that he is irrevocably locked into the Batman persona. That he isnt going to fix everything, quit, and have a normal life like he almost suggested to Rachel at the end of the first film.

Bingo

 

[Bathead]

I never said that he can't do one thing without doing the other. He can certainly close the book on his story without killing Batman, which I would prefer.



BG&S;DR

That I most certainly agree with. And I really don't believe Nolan is that selfish, to kill off the charatcrer simply because he personally is done with him.

 

[SpiderJ]

does anyone honestly think they are going to kill Batman??

 

[HisMagicTrick]

I actually think that Bruce will accept his role as Batman, and his last words in the film will be him saying ‘I’m the Batman’. Or is that really lame? :P

 

[Bathead]

does anyone honestly think they are going to kill Batman??

I personally find it totally unbelievable.

 

[EliteF50]

Agreed.

 

[Nevincer]

does anyone honestly think they are going to kill Batman??

I do.

 

[DrCosmic]

does anyone honestly think they are going to kill Batman??

I do. I'm new to the discussion, but it seems like it would be pretty brilliant, and probably the only way for TDKR to make more than TDK. Regardless of whether or not Bruce Wayne survives, in order to come full circle, to 'rise,' Batman has to become a legend, with his methods as eternal as Ra's Al Ghul's. Bruce's death 'proves' that he's been successful. It's possible that Ra's return/position in the movie has nothing to do with Batman becoming like Ra's... but what other thematic purpose can Ra's have?

So there are reasons why he would, but why *wouldn't* Nolan kill Batman? Other than that it's unconventional, if that's a reason for him at all.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Bruce doesn't need to die to become legend. And if WB plan on continuing with a similar franchise, reinvention and not reboot implies they do, then they might not allow Nolan to. The only real reason people think he will kill Batman is because he can.

 

[Nevincer]

The only real reason people think he will kill Batman is because he can.

Eh. It's more than that. It's the whole emphasis on this being the last one and ruling out any more stories to tell in every interview, talking about how it's not like the comics etc. He's been very careful with his words, and I think were plans for another director to take the reigns, he'd be more vocal about that possibility, but he's very mum and focused all on the finality that Rises is gonna bring to the characters. It's all speculation for now, though.

I remember DaCrisa actually saying that the original article said 'reboot', then it was edited to 'reinvention' a few minutes later? Am I remembering wrong? Even if that wasn't the case, they know the mere mention of the word 'reboot' upsets fans, I'd expect them to use a term that jumps around that before the movie hits.

 

[DrCosmic]

Bruce doesn't need to die to become legend. And if WB plan on continuing with a similar franchise, reinvention and not reboot implies they do, then they might not allow Nolan to. The only real reason people think he will kill Batman is because he can.

He already is a legend, but as I said, to prove that his methods are eternal, there's no stronger or more emotional proof that Batman is a concept bigger than Bruce Wayne unless Bruce Wayne dies and Batman continues. Those are real reasons, and while you certainly may disagree, it's not fair to discount them as unreal.

From my understanding, WB cannot contractually disallow Nolan to kill off Batman.

 

[dario2739]

I'm not gonna trawl through the thread, so i'll just give my opinion.
I don't think Nolan will kill off Batman - the film title suggest he doesn't die also... The Dark Knight RISES.
At the end of TDK, Batman 'fell' with everyone believing he was responsible for killing people. This served to make criminals believe he had given up his 'code' but in the eyes of Gotham's citizens, he had become almost what he was fighting against - thus he 'fell'!
The new film will see him Rise again and will end on Batman being seen as the protector of Gotham he is in the comics... though he may have to fall even further before he rises!

 

[Nevincer]

^He already is a legend, but as I said, to prove that his methods are eternal, there's no stronger or more emotional proof that Batman is a concept bigger than Bruce Wayne unless Bruce Wayne dies and Batman continues. Those are real reasons, and while you certainly may disagree, it's not fair to discount them as unreal.

From my understanding, WB cannot contractually disallow Nolan to kill off Batman.

"As a man, I'm flesh and blood. I can be ignored, I can be destroyed. But as a symbol? As a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting."

That quote says it all. I'd say the ultimate purpose of Batman is that more than one person can be Batman, it's a persona that can outlive Bruce Wayne and transcend his mortality. That's why the symbol is so important.

 

[BatScot]

Because Bob Kane wouldn't care?

Hell, Bob Kane would claim it was his idea.

 

[JackWhite]

I actually think that Bruce will accept his role as Batman, and his last words in the film will be him saying ‘I’m the Batman’. Or is that really lame? :P

lol, depends on how it's done:

***Rooftop scene, reminiscent of the ending in BB***

Gordon: So wait a minute, who are you?

***Batman has a puzzled look on his face, but then utters the words...***

Batman: I'm the Goddamn Batman!

***The Dark Knight Rises***

 

[Brother Jack]

"As a man, I'm flesh and blood. I can be ignored, I can be destroyed. But as a symbol? As a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting."

That quote says it all. I'd say the ultimate purpose of Batman is that more than one person can be Batman, it's a persona that can outlive Bruce Wayne and transcend his mortality. That's why the symbol is so important.

The symbol being beyond Bruce Wayne's mortality doesn't necessarily lead to the idea of anyone can be Batman. The way I saw it, TDK showed how only Bruce can be Batman in the story. Harvey took the fall for him and it got him kidnapped, Brian Douglass tried to pass as Batman and he was killed. In this story, the burden of Batman is on Wayne's shoulders alone. It's for that reason that I think Nolan has chosen not to tackle the Robin character, focusing instead on Bruce's whole arc.

 

[DareDemon]

Batman dying would suck. It would kinda make him seem a lot weaker than any other incarnation, lasting less than a decade before dying.

"You and I are destined to do this forever.... unless you're a huge pansy and die before I can even escape Arkham the first time".