The Dark Knight Rises Batman: To "Die".. or Not To "Die:?

[Nevincer]

That's one of the problems I had with the ending of TDK. By the time he takes the blame for everyting that happened, he pretty much destroyed his "incorruptible" nature.
I'm not saying it's a plot hole, I just don't understand it.

Hmm. That's a good point *scratches head* I'll have to think about that one.

 

[Bads316]

That's one of the problems I had with the ending of TDK. By the time he takes the blame for everyting that happened, he pretty much destroyed his "incorruptible" nature.
I'm not saying it's a plot hole, I just don't understand it.

He didn't destroy it, if anything he proved it. To the audience and Gordon he etched it in f@cking stone.

 

[byte19]

That's one of the problems I had with the ending of TDK. By the time he takes the blame for everyting that happened, he pretty much destroyed his "incorruptible" nature.
I'm not saying it's a plot hole, I just don't understand it.

when it was said.... pretty sure he didn't expect Mr. J. to call him on that.... not a plot hole, yes... Bruce expecting it? not in a million years...

 

[TheVerbos]

That's one of the problems I had with the ending of TDK. By the time he takes the blame for everyting that happened, he pretty much destroyed his "incorruptible" nature.
I'm not saying it's a plot hole, I just don't understand it.

Good point.

 

[Parquagh]

Am I the only one who thinks that killing Batman is not a good idea?

I don't want Batman to die, I understand the complete 'the legend lives' stuff but one part that I love from him is that he faces the most complicated situations and still manages to survive and triumph against all odds.

For me the ideal ending is that Batman is reinstalled in Gotham as the true hero the city deserves and the one that they need, and ending that shows that he will continue his fight keeping the promise he made to stand up for Gotham like his parents did. That's why I love all the endings from the What should the final scene of the trilogy be? thread that end with Bats, Gordon, the Batsignal or his parents grave.

I thinks there's a lot more chance of Batman not dying because average audiences won't like that, I know Nolan thinks of HIS approach to the characters, not what peolple want, but he's also smart enough to make everyone happy while still achieving what he wants.

 

[Infinity9999x]

First Class WAS NEVER intended to be a reboot and it has been confirmed from Singer time and time again, its a prequel. That said, they could simply reboot it and start the new series with Bruce already as BATMAN. That is quite possible.


Also, if this trilogy is supposed to be somewhat grounded in our reality, as Nolan has tried to pull off, doesn't it make perfect sense for Batman to die in action? I mean, in real life, a crime fighter dressed as a bat can't keep this up forever. He constantly takes on multiple thugs at a time with guns, while he has nothing, but his bare fists. As Badass as that is, in the real world, the chances of a Batman type vigilante dying at an early age in battle is about 100 to 1.

It's a prequel that blatantly ignores canon of two movies, so in a some sense, it is rebooting part of the series canon. Heck, it even had minor continuity issues with X1 and X2, but it all out ignored entire plot points from X3 and Wolverine.

Nolan's movies aren't set in the real world. If they were, Bruce wouldn't have survived more then a few weeks out on the streets, there wouldn't be a secret Ninja organization dedicated to keeping the world pure by destroying cities, Batman wouldn't have been able to CURL Liam Neeson with one arm, Harvey Den't wouldn't have been able to survive the horrific burn he had, or somehow move his eye and jaw when the muscles required to were burned away, nor would the Joker have been able to sneak tons of explosives into boats/hospitals/and buildings without someone noticing that something fishy was going on.

I could go on, but the point is, these movies apply elements of realism to give them a more grounded feel. They are not, have not, and most likely will not ever, be set in the real world.

 

[not_a_victim]

If we really want to tear this down...
1. Who is the "hero" mentioned in the teaser?
-Batman or Wayne?
2. Is there a "death" in the film?
-Batman dies.
(A.) Batman dies literally. Meaning, of course, Wayne dies as well.
(B.) Batman fakes his death, or creates circumstances for people to think he dies.
-Bruce Wayne dies.
(A.) Wayne literally dies. Either as a result of 2(A) above, or as Wayne himself.
-Maybe as a call for Gotham to rise up?
(B.) Wayne fakes his death, or creates circumstances for people to think he is dead.
-This one I find the most intriguing. Wayne fakes his death, and takes on the Batman personna full time? It would come full circle to Wayne's statement in BB, "Rachel, all- all this, it- it's not me, inside, I am, I am more."

 

[TheVerbos]

He becomes Batman full-time? No Wayne?

You know what? I could see that being it. If it isn't, you still raised interesting points.

 

[Indy Flash]

Batman full time. That sounds good^^

 

[Mandalore464]

I'm not opposed to seeing Batman die on screen if his death is what ends up saving the day, i.e if it acts as an eye-opener to Gothamites and makes them rally in the streets to tear criminals' arses open in retribution.

But Nolan killing Batman just for the sake of ending his take on the mythos? I just don't see it happen. If he dies, it will serve a purpose, and thus will be a good thing.

 

[Nevincer]

I'm not opposed to seeing Batman die on screen if his death is what ends up saving the day, i.e if it acts as an eye-opener to Gothamites and makes them rally in the streets to tear criminals' arses open in retribution.

But Nolan killing Batman just for the sake of ending his take on the mythos? I just don't see it happen. If he dies, it will serve a purpose, and thus will be a good thing.

 

[not_a_victim]

He didn't destroy it, if anything he proved it. To the audience and Gordon he etched it in f@cking stone.

He never said it to Gordon, and we have to take OURSELVES out of the movie.

 

[The_Raganork]

He didn't destroy it, if anything he proved it. To the audience and Gordon he etched it in f@cking stone.

In the end he's known as a murderer...that's pretty damn corrupted. Maybe not in an internal sense but, if the people think their vision of hope is a villain then the purpose of the hope is lost.

Batman taking the Blame was the right thing to do...he screwed up when he picked Rachel over Dent and allowed Two-Face to happen.

So he was corrupted by Human emotions, human want.

In TDKR he should learn how to separate those feelings

 

[byte19]

when it was said.... pretty sure he didn't expect Mr. J. to call him on that.... not a plot hole, yes... Bruce expecting it? not in a million years...

 

[The Shape]

Why is this thread even in existence? Batman will NOT die. No way, no how. Not only would it not serve any purpose, but it would go against the title of the film and the natural progression of the series.

There may be a point in TDKR when Gotham and/or Gordon believes the Batman to be dead and gone, but it's safe to say that Batman will rise from the ashes and become the solidified hero that Gotham will always need. It is and always will be Bruce Wayne's destiny to be "Batman forever" and I believe the final images of this film will reflect that. The fact that this is the conclusion of Nolan's Batman story doesn't mean that the hero will die because his story is told. Anyone who thinks so is AN IDIOT. No offense intended.

 

[Bads316]

He doesn't need to say it to anyone, by taking the blame he shows how incorruptible he is - the well being of Gotham is all that matters.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I hate the idea of Batman dieing. That's just a big no no in my book. It would be right up there with Tim Burton killing the Joker just for the sake of giving the character a conclusion. I seriously doubt he's going to die. Or else the title would make no sense. How is he going to rise if he's 6 feet under? This never crossed my mind until I heard some people bring up the idea. I always thought that this film would mark the end of Batman's earlier days and finally become the trusted hero of Gotham.

 

[The Shape]

Jesus Christ was technically executed as an insurrectionist against the Emperor, Senate, and People of Rome. Does that make him corrupted? Not to the legions of followers who thought he was crucified for mankind's sins. The same parallel is in Knight. Just b/c Batman took on the "sins" of Dent it doesn't mean he's corrupted, I'd say the opposite is true b/c of his innocence.

FACT. Can't believe Batman fans fail to understand this...

 

[byte19]

Why is this thread even in existence? Batman will NOT die. No way, no how. Not only would it not serve any purpose, but it would go against the title of the film and the natural progression of the series.

There may be a point in TDKR when Gotham and/or Gordon believes the Batman to be dead and gone, but it's safe to say that Batman will rise from the ashes and become the solidified hero that Gotham will always need. It is and always will be Bruce Wayne's destiny to be "Batman forever" and I believe the final images of this film will reflect that. The fact that this is the conclusion of Nolan's Batman story doesn't mean that the hero will die because his story is told. Anyone who thinks so is AN IDIOT. No offense intended.

Play Nice....

 

[The_Raganork]

Jesus Christ was technically executed as an insurrectionist against the Emperor, Senate, and People of Rome. Does that make him corrupted? Not to the legions of followers who thought he was crucified for mankind's sins. The same parallel is in Knight. Just b/c Batman took on the "sins" of Dent it doesn't mean he's corrupted, I'd say the opposite is true b/c of his innocence.

Well I can't say you're wrong but, if Batman has followers still sure this may be a good argument.

Jesus Christ wasn't executed for Murder, nor was he executed for Betraying the trust of the people he served. It was clear then it was a political play

in TDK it's not as clear, people who trusted Batman will think he killed cops..

Though the situations are similar, I don't think they're really close to being the same.

People still trusted Christ, I'm not sure people still trust Batman

EDIT: I should add I don't think that TDK's ending is saying Batman isn't a legend or incorruptible, I don't that action in itself makes him one though.

There's got to be more

#1 because at the end of TDK Batman is messed up, he's made a lot of flaws.

#2 if he's a legend at the beginning of TDKR what's the point?

 

[Nevincer]

Why is this thread even in existence? Batman will NOT die. No way, no how. Not only would it not serve any purpose, but it would go against the title of the film and the natural progression of the series.

There may be a point in TDKR when Gotham and/or Gordon believes the Batman to be dead and gone, but it's safe to say that Batman will rise from the ashes and become the solidified hero that Gotham will always need. It is and always will be Bruce Wayne's destiny to be "Batman forever" and I believe the final images of this film will reflect that. The fact that this is the conclusion of Nolan's Batman story doesn't mean that the hero will die because his story is told. Anyone who thinks so is AN IDIOT. No offense intended.

 

[Bads316]

Jesus Christ was technically executed as an insurrectionist against the Emperor, Senate, and People of Rome. Does that make him corrupted? Not to the legions of followers who thought he was crucified for mankind's sins. The same parallel is in Knight. Just b/c Batman took on the "sins" of Dent it doesn't mean he's corrupted, I'd say the opposite is true b/c of his innocence.

Absolutely 100% agree. 'He's not being the hero, he's being something more'

 

[Green Ghoul]

I'm kind of hoping they go The Dark Knight Returns route. Instead of fighting Superman, he's fighting Bane. Batman beats Bane, but he's badly injured in the process. Batman fakes his death. In the end Bruce/Batman is more of a mentor. The Sons of the Batman is replaced with the Batman copycats from TDK. Batman becomes a legend.

There's definitely other ways of putting closure on this trilogy without having to kill Batman.

 

[byte19]

I'm kind of hoping they go The Dark Knight Returns route. Instead of fighting Superman, he's fighting Bane. Batman beats Bane, but he's badly injured in the process. Batman fakes his death. In the end Bruce/Batman is more of a mentor. The Sons of the Batman is replaced with the Batman copycats from TDK. Batman becomes a legend.

There's definitely other ways of putting closure on this trilogy without having to kill Batman.

Great Point!

 

[The Shape]

I'm kind of hoping they go The Dark Knight Returns route. Instead of fighting Superman, he's fighting Bane. Batman beats Bane, but he's badly injured in the process. Batman fakes his death. In the end Bruce/Batman is more of a mentor. The Sons of the Batman is replaced with the Batman copycats from TDK. Batman becomes a legend.

There's definitely other ways of putting closure on this trilogy without having to kill Batman.

Wow, that'd be horrible. Glad Nolan's in charge.