The Dark Knight Rises Best versions of Bane!

[CaballeroOscuro]

Being numb to pain is as good as being immune to it. It's like when you go to the dentist. You get your mouth numb for the drill so it doesn't hurt.

Thats when a specific area is injected or has anaesthetic cream applied to it. A gas would affect the entire body.

Immune means you wouldnt be affected by it ever, after the anaesthetic wears off you would still feel the pain, you are only "numb" to it during the procedure.

Its not just his face that was injured, he also has a scar running the entire length of his spine.

http://i.imgur.com/ojqSQ.jpg

Watching the scene again shows that what was said is he was left in perpetual agony and the mask holds the pain at bay, it doesn't specify an area or say just his face was in pain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXEr8lS2dw

Finally, a link to an interview with Nolan himself who doesn't specify it was just his face, but merely says he is a man ravaged by pain.

www.flicksandbits.com/2012/05/17/ch...m-hardys-bane-in-the-dark-knight-rises/25919/

 

[ganon51]

Being numb to pain is as good as being immune to it. It's like when you go to the dentist. You get your mouth numb for the drill so it doesn't hurt.

Thats when a specific area is injected or has anaesthetic cream applied to it. A gas would affect the entire body.

Immune means you wouldnt be affected by it ever, after the anaesthetic wears off you would still feel the pain, you are only "numb" to it during the procedure.

Its not just his face that was injured, he also has a scar running the entire length of his spine.

http://i.imgur.com/ojqSQ.jpg

Watching the scene again shows that what was said is he was left in perpetual agony and the mask holds the pain at bay, it doesn't specify an area or say just his face was in pain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXEr8lS2dw

Finally, a link to an interview with Nolan himself who doesn't specify it was just his face, but merely says he is a man ravaged by pain.

www.flicksandbits.com/2012/05/17/ch...m-hardys-bane-in-the-dark-knight-rises/25919/

No further questions your honour.

 

[Tequilla]

But they later revealed that the child was Talia. He "merely adopted" Talia's backstory.

No he didnt adopt anything. He was born in it , and then escaped when they came back to the pit. Nobody says anything about him being the one able to escape. That's Bruce's deduction from the prison. A wrong one. Because as Bane telegraphically tells him , he only escaped when he was already a man...not the boy(girl) who jumped.

Even ninja Alfred addresses that

ALFRED
Born and raised in a hell on earth.
WAYNE Born in a prison?
ALFRED No one knows why. Or how he escaped.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

That is not how painkillers work. Unless it's some made up comic book meds Bane is on, there is no way he is immune to pain. Either way it's a major detail Nolan would not omit. That his villain doesn't feel pain. The movie specifies Bane's mask keeps his pain from his facial injuries at bay. Nothing more.

Yes, it is how painkillers work. Now, will taking some Extra Strength Tylenol make you immune to pain. No, of course not. That's because it isn't strong enough. But the principle is the same. And like I said, it can and does happen where athletes who get addicted to strong painkillers lose their ability to properly feel pain. It doesn't really make them immune as much as make them numb to it.

Being numb to pain is as good as being immune to it. It's like when you go to the dentist. You get your mouth numb for the drill so it doesn't hurt.

That's different. What that does is freeze the area around your mouth and numbs it that way. The same thing is often done to broken ankles and the like.

That's not what we are talking about here. We know that it isn't happening with Bane, because:
1) It would have to be injected.
2) Bane wouldn't be able to speak properly with his mouth frozen, which he clearly can.
3) His mouth wouldn't instantly thaw once the mask was tampered with.

Plus, like I said. We are clearly shown Bane shrugging off blows (not immune, but it sure doesn't affect him much) right up until the point where Batman targets the mask.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, it is how painkillers work.

No it isn't.

Now, will taking some Extra Strength Tylenol make you immune to pain. No, of course not. That's because it isn't strong enough. But the principle is the same.

Again no it's not. Taking pain killers, no matter how strong, doesn't make you immune or numb to pain entirely.

And like I said, it can and does happen where athletes who get addicted to strong painkillers lose their ability to properly feel pain. It doesn't really make them immune as much as make them numb to it.

Wrong again. Painkillers make existing pain you're already feeling numb:

Painkillers Numb Physical Pain Very Effectively

No special training, skill, effort or techniques are required for pain management when using narcotic painkillers. You simply take a pill and soon afterward, the pain you were feeling is substantially reduced or eliminated.

http://addictions.about.com/od/substancedependence/tp/painkillers.htm

That's why athletes take them. If they're suffering from an existing injury. Pulled muscle, sprain or what ever they take painkillers to numb it enough to be manageable. They don't make them immune to any new sensations of pain.

That's different. What that does is freeze the area around your mouth and numbs it that way. The same thing is often done to broken ankles and the like.

It's the same principle, we're just talking about one specific area of the body where it's done in this case. Numbness is numbness.

That's not what we are talking about here. We know that it isn't happening with Bane, because:
1) It would have to be injected.
2) Bane wouldn't be able to speak properly with his mouth frozen, which he clearly can.
3) His mouth wouldn't instantly thaw once the mask was tampered with.

I wasn't talking about Bane having his jaw numbed. Do you know what the word analogy means?

Plus, like I said. We are clearly shown Bane shrugging off blows (not immune, but it sure doesn't affect him much) right up until the point where Batman targets the mask.

Bane did not shrug off blows. He reacted to every blow he got, they just were not enough to take him down. Even when Batman broke his mask he was still strong enough to put his fists through a brick pillar and pummel Batman's body repeatedly wasn't he?

Thats when a specific area is injected or has anaesthetic cream applied to it. A gas would affect the entire body.

Immune means you wouldnt be affected by it ever, after the anaesthetic wears off you would still feel the pain, you are only "numb" to it during the procedure.

I know that. Since Bane is supposedly constantly inhaling the gas he would supposedly be constantly numb to pain wouldn't he? But we know that's not the case.

Its not just his face that was injured, he also has a scar running the entire length of his spine.

http://i.imgur.com/ojqSQ.jpg

Watching the scene again shows that what was said is he was left in perpetual agony and the mask holds the pain at bay, it doesn't specify an area or say just his face was in pain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXEr8lS2dw

Ok fair point.

That's how you do it. Provide proof.

Finally, a link to an interview with Nolan himself who doesn't specify it was just his face, but merely says he is a man ravaged by pain.

http://www.flicksandbits.com/2012/05...t-rises/25919/

“Bane is someone ravaged by pain from trauma suffered long ago, and the mask dispenses a type of anesthetic that keeps his pain just below the threshold so he can function"

There you go. My point is proven by the man himself. Bane is not immune or numb to pain at all. All that mask does is keep that pain he has at a level that is tolerable.

Thanks for that. Much appreciated. I wish that had been posted earlier. Would have saved a lot of effort.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No it isn't.

Then we are done here, because you are flat out wrong on this point. There is nowhere further we can take this argument if you don't acknowledge basic facts.

 

[BatLobster]

No he didnt adopt anything. He was born in it , and then escaped when they came back to the pit. Nobody says anything about him being the one able to escape. That's Bruce's deduction from the prison. A wrong one. Because as Bane telegraphically tells him , he only escaped when he was already a man...not the boy(girl) who jumped.

That's actually a great point and I'm surprised I never pointed that out myself.

He tells the truth to Bruce about NOT being the child who escaped, so there is no reason to assume he is lying here about where he was born. I've said many times here that he had no reason to try and trick Bruce into believing that he was the child, but the reality of it is he's blatantly telling him that he's not. He's telling the truth about having escaped when he was a man. So why tell a half-truth here? Besides the omission of Miranda Tate's identity, everything that Bane tells Bruce in the movie is a straight, direct truth about who he is and what he/the LoS intend to do.

So, it's not that Talia "steals" Bane's backstory, it's more that there are two conflicting backstories running through the film that we're meant to assume are one and the same. The twist simply separates them.

 

[Fudgie]

1. Origins
2. BTAS

Forget the rest. Nolan's Bane was a whipped errand boy for Talia, who needed a gas mask to function, and had one of the goofiest voices ever.

 

[jonathancrane]

1. Nolan's Bane
2. Origins

 

[ganon51]

1. Origins
2. BTAS

Forget the rest. Nolan's Bane was a whipped errand boy for Talia, who needed a gas mask to function, and had one of the goofiest voices ever.

Ha! Totally

 

[BatLobster]

milost leaves...Fudgie returns. I always felt like milost replaced Fudgie in spirit too. Weird.

(And no, I don't think they're the same guy).

 

[shauner111]

It probably is Milost.

 

[Shikamaru]

Milost may be gone from this thread, but he is not forgotten.

And Fudgie, you should use your real name instead. I like it better (Robin).

 

[The Joker]

Milost is one of the best posters we've ever had here. He put passion and energy into his posts, and always backed them up well. He shouldn't have left, or be made to feel like he had to.

I hope he comes back eventually.

 

[BatLobster]

I don't see how he was made to feel like he had to. That was his completely his decision, and a healthy one too IMO.

 

[The Joker]

When he is unjustly accused of being a troll, then yeah I think that makes you feel like you should leave. If he was trolling then Schlosser and any other mod who was posting here would have slapped him down for it.

 

[BatLobster]

That happens every day on all the forums here. milost was always the one telling people to have a thicker skin here, so maybe he should've taken his own advice if his feelings were hurt or w/e.

I personally think he just finally tired himself out and needed a break. Again, it's healthy. He even admitted that he was just taking shots at Hardy in this thread for the fun of it, aka to rile people up.

I'm sure he'll be back eventually.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah but the difference is those usually accused of trolling are actually trolls and so they don't care. milost was telling the over sensitive fans who would lose their cool at his posts to develop a thicker skin and not take this movie so seriously or personally (which he was totally right about). He wasn't taking personal shots at them as people, like calling them names. And until the other day nobody ever called him a troll.

I talked to him in PMs after this incident. He didn't tire himself out. He's just gracefully bowing out because he doesn't want to be seen as a trouble maker. I tried to convince him that the opinion of one doesn't make it a consensus.

I hope he does come back because this forum is a lot less interesting without him.

 

[shauner111]

Unjustly accused...hahahahaaha. If he didnt want to be seen as a troublemaker, he should have closed his mouth a long time ago because most of what he says is to stir the pot. He can't stand seeing people love the things that he hates.

 

[BatLobster]

Obviously I don't think milost was a troll, not at all. But there were every so often some occasions where he sorta acted like one. That's the difference. It's like you can call a friend an "idiot", but it doesn't mean you think he's actually a stupid person. He was just acting dumb. That's kind of how I saw it with milost. There's a difference between being a full-on troll, which he wasn't, and sometimes resorting to troll-ish levels to get a laugh/reaction. I think everyone has moments like that, and that's okay in small doses. But he was obviously too smart to not know when he was saying things that would rile people up, regardless of whether he wanted to be taken seriously or not.

That said, I'm okay with this forum being less interesting for a while. As I told Shika recently, I'm hoping to start phasing it out myself a bit this year. It can't be denied that everything around this movie is just one big circular debate that can literally spin on and on forever if we don't give it a rest eventually.

 

[The Joker]

Unjustly accused...hahahahaaha. If he didnt want to be seen as a troublemaker, he should have closed his mouth a long time ago because most of what he says is to stir the pot. He can't stand seeing people love the things that he hates.

Ahem...

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25793313&postcount=332

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25793333&postcount=333

And I remember I defended you against them calling you a troll for that, too.

 

[shauner111]

He's doing what i did. I left that section because people thought i was trolling. The difference is, i was also talking good about the movie. I didnt go on there as a 100 percent hater to make people mad. Saying things like puny bane, he's not even a big guy, oh Bane is a pedophile! Alfred is a piece of **** for caring about Bruce. I dont care if people believe me when i say i wasn't trolling, i wasn't. But i don't believe milost when he says he doesnt want to be a troublemaker.

He wasn't funny like Trav. He was just a pain in the ass to me. So if he's gone, good. If he comes back (which he can if he wants to) then i won't be here.

 

[Green Goblin]

Me: "You don't owe this thread anymore you posted everything!"
Milost: "Not everything, not yet!"

 

[The Joker]

He's doing what i did. I left that section because people thought i was trolling.

You didn't leave that section. You were there less than a month ago ragging on the Vicki Vale in the Batcave scene: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27798097&postcount=977

The difference is, i was also talking good about the movie. I didnt go on there as a 100 percent hater to make people mad. Saying things like puny bane, he's not even a big guy, oh Bane is a pedophile! Alfred is a piece of **** for caring about Bruce. I dont care if people believe me when i say i wasn't trolling, i wasn't. But i don't believe milost when he says he doesnt want to be a troublemaker.

This is not a fan forum, Shauner. It's a discussion forum. Nobody is obligated to be a fan of this movie in order to discuss it. You're not a troll for not liking the movie. milost was a fan of the first two Nolan movies, especially TDK, so he had a vested interest in this trilogy. That's why he was here. Not to stir people up.

He's hardly the only person to hate Alfred leaving Bruce or thinking Bane was too small:

http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8109&start=130

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121006090538AA19L0L

It's not an isolated uncommon complaint. I don't agree with it myself either, but it's not like I can't or don't understand why some people might think that.

He wasn't funny like Trav. He was just a pain in the ass to me.

I disagree. I think he was hilarious and the way he injected humor into his posts proved he wasn't trying to be aggressive or mean spirited in what he was saying. I think it was unfair for you vilify him that way when the Burton fans did the same thing to you.

 

[Shikamaru]

Milost is one of my favorite posters on here, if not my favorite overall. Not only are his reasons valid and properly backed up, but he is also very entertaining. I love the energy he brings with him. I hope he comes back as well.

He's doing what i did. I left that section because people thought i was trolling. The difference is, i was also talking good about the movie. I didnt go on there as a 100 percent hater to make people mad. Saying things like puny bane, he's not even a big guy, oh Bane is a pedophile! Alfred is a piece of **** for caring about Bruce. I dont care if people believe me when i say i wasn't trolling, i wasn't. But i don't believe milost when he says he doesnt want to be a troublemaker.

He wasn't funny like Trav. He was just a pain in the ass to me. So if he's gone, good. If he comes back (which he can if he wants to) then i won't be here.

Those are his opinions. He is entitled to them regardless of how "extreme" they may be (and none of those are that extreme, tbh).

I also love how you twist his own words to prove your point. He never said Alfred was a piece of **** for caring about Bruce. His stance was that Alfred's reasons for not wanting Bruce in the batsuit were poorly thought out and criticized Bruce fulfilling his fantasy the way he did (and why he did it).