No Time To Die (Bond 25)

I really don't get the desire some people to see these iconic characters killed off. It isn't just Bond. You see it with practically every big franchise. Let's kill off Bond. Let's kill off Superman. Let's kill off Spider-Man. I really don't get it.

But it seems to be Brocolli, Wilson and Craig's idea this time round. Maybe Craig thinks it will make him the ultimate and final Bond and that no-one else who follows will be official, especially if it's a code name. Maybe he wants everyone else after him to seem like imposters. If so, that would be a bit petty and selfish.

I personally wish he just made Spectre his swan song, especially if he is going to be killed off at the end of Bond 25. He already feels tired and stale in the role.
 
I really don't get the desire some people to see these iconic characters killed off. It isn't just Bond. You see it with practically every big franchise. Let's kill off Bond. Let's kill off Superman. Let's kill off Spider-Man. I really don't get it.

It's because they're larger than life characters that never get phased by explosions or 40 foot drops.

Having them die shows that they're like us.

Brosnan wanted a more human bond with a broken shoulder in TWINE

Craig is the most vulnerable/human Bond so far. He get's hurt and doesn't shrug it off

I think the actors who do larger than life characters want stuff like that.
 
I really don't get the desire some people to see these iconic characters killed off. It isn't just Bond. You see it with practically every big franchise. Let's kill off Bond. Let's kill off Superman. Let's kill off Spider-Man. I really don't get it.

It’s interesting for a franchise... non of this reboot/soft reboot non-sense mainly due to an actor leaving. This Bond has a beginning, let’s give him an “end” for once.
 
Now why in the hell would they ever do that? Eon only exists to make Bond movies.

This. What else are they going to do?

They'll be sitting round after they've killed him off and will suddenly realise "Hey, we've got nothing to do for work now. Maybe killing him off wasn't such a good idea!"
 
Yeah, the most "finality" this gets is killing off this Bond (which was a reboot of all the others anyway, all the previous versions were supposed to be the same guy), with the intention of starting a new continuity in 3 years or whatever. The notion of Eon killing off Bond in any larger sense is insane, never gonna happen.
 
Yeah, the most "finality" this gets is killing off this Bond (which was a reboot of all the others anyway, all the previous versions were supposed to be the same guy), with the intention of starting a new continuity in 3 years or whatever. The notion of Eon killing off Bond in any larger sense is insane, never gonna happen.

Maybe they don't bring in a new continuity again, but the person who kills off this Bond is the real Bond from the previous continuity who was Bond all along. This one played by Craig was a deranged imposter who thought he was Bond, and the real 007 puts him out of his misery.

The real Bond can say after he's shot Imposter Bond, "the ***** is dead!"
 
I don't want this meta garbage of codenames or Bond becomes legend and passes on his name.

Why would you even want to make James Bond some sort of code name? It makes no sense. People would know it's not him. What purpose does that serve? It's like making another martial artist Bruce Lee and pretending its Bruce Lee when the real Bruce Lee is dead. OK...
 
It’s interesting for a franchise... non of this reboot/soft reboot non-sense mainly due to an actor leaving. This Bond has a beginning, let’s give him an “end” for once.

Except it isn't interesting. It will end the same way killing iconic characters like this basically always end. Bringing him back. I don't want film franchises to end up like the comics which is stuck in this endless cycle of deaths done as a stunt only for fans to immediately start counting down when they will be back again. And some of these characters are too big to stay dead. You know Batman is never going to stay dead because he sells too much to stay in the ground.

All it does is makes these deaths meaningless because nobody believes they will be permanent. Marvel has already faced that criticism for the ending of IW. The whole "yeah, we all know you won't really do it" response.
 
I don't want this meta garbage of codenames or Bond becomes legend and passes on his name.

Why would you even want to make James Bond some sort of code name? It makes no sense. People would know it's not him. What purpose does that serve? It's like making another martial artist Bruce Lee and pretending its Bruce Lee when the real Bruce Lee is dead. OK...

If they did that, it would be the equivalent of Game of Death with multiple actors standing in for Bruce Lee with them always in disguise to mask the fact that the real Bruce was dead. And then when they want a reaction shot, they take one from a previous Bruce Lee film, or they cheap out and show a picture of him stuck to a mirror as a stand in.
 
I'm done after Craig, so couldn't give a rat's ass what they decide to do.
 
Not only is the codename thing dumb, it's officially never been the case. Fleming, post-Fleming, old movies, new movies, the works.

Killing Craig’s Bond has nothing to do with that dumb Codename thing.
 
I'm done after Craig, so couldn't give a rat's ass what they decide to do.

I was done before Craig. Both Craig and Brosnan have been boring eras for me. I haven't truly enjoyed a Bond film for decades now. If they could get back to something more classic and no rebooted continuity, then I would be interested.
 
I was done before Craig. Both Craig and Brosnan have been boring eras for me. I haven't truly enjoyed a Bond film for decades now. If they could get back to something more classic and no rebooted continuity, then I would be interested.

Each novel adapted into 4-6 part mini-seasons over the course of 7 years, period of course, would be ideal. Likely will never happen... sadly.

GOT budget concerning locations, with the Mad Men care, and the time devoted by actors and the writers... ahhhhh magical.
 
I was done before Craig. Both Craig and Brosnan have been boring eras for me. I haven't truly enjoyed a Bond film for decades now. If they could get back to something more classic and no rebooted continuity, then I would be interested.

I certainly wouldn't mind the next Bond being more of a Roger Moore type. They've been doing "this time it's personal" since Dalton took the role.
 
I certainly wouldn't mind the next Bond being more of a Roger Moore type. They've been doing "this time it's personal" since Dalton took the role.

Exactly. Sometimes people think that most of Bond's missions are non-personal and that the personal ones are in the minority. But they're not. 1962-1987 (from Connery to Dalton's first outing) was 25 years. From 1989 (LTK) to 2015 (Spectre) is 26 years. Bond 25 is likely to be another "this time it's personal" mission, making it 31 years of that. That puts it clearly in the majority of the time.

And the whole "this time it's personal" phrase becomes meaningless when it's clearly not "this time" anymore but every single time now. It should simply be "it's personal... yet again." :o

And how likely is it that one mission after another is going to be personal? There should be more non-personal ones dotted around. That then would make the personal ones more significant and special. When they''re constantly occurring, it just becomes run of the mill. It also suggests he takes everything too personally.

Give us a mission where Bond has absolutely no personal involvement in it whatsoever. It's merely a job for him.
 
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The smart and obvious move would be just to continue the current continuity but with a new actor. As this is what's been done previously. However, if they want to cast a completely different Bond such as a black 007 then you'd have to reboot. But I imagine they'll want to keep the same M,Q, Moneypenny etc so having the same people again after a reboot might confuse the general audience. I reckon they'll play it safe, reboot and cast someone like Aiden Turner or James Norton.
 
Eww, Moore.

You got half of a Moore thing going on in the later Brosnan movies anyway, not like we haven't had that in a while. Love the "we want something more classic" stuff too, heh. The actual Fleming stuff's way more in-line with Dalton & Craig, that's the classic stuff.

I'd probably want the next actor to be a little less rough around the edges than Craig though. A little more sophisticated or whatever, while keeping the cold-eyed damaged-goods killer aspect. Dalton or a darker/less-likable Brosnan basically.
 
Eww, Moore.

You got half of a Moore thing going on in the later Brosnan movies anyway, not like we haven't had that in a while. Love the "we want something more classic" stuff too, heh. The actual Fleming stuff's way more in-line with Dalton & Craig, that's the classic stuff.

I'd probably want the next actor to be a little less rough around the edges than Craig though. A little more sophisticated or whatever, while keeping the cold-eyed damaged-goods killer aspect. Dalton or a darker/less-likable Brosnan basically.

Classic movies, not classic novels. Moore was far more entertaining and watchable than Brosnan, who was just the pastiche and paint-by-numbers Bond.

As I said, I don't want every mission to be personal like it has been for the past 26 years, and by the time of 2020, will be the last 31 years. It is stale as heck. Things don't need to tie into Bond somehow (like Blofeld being an old friend etc). Give him a mission where he has no personal stakes whatsoever and doesn't know anyone beforehand. Let him and us enjoy the fun and novelty of meeting people (particularly Bond girls) for the very first time without them being some kind of old flame.
 
Ehh, I always felt plenty of Moore in the post-Goldeneye Brosnan stuff. It's toned down a good deal of course, nowhere near as camp (and hell, a handful of the Moore movies are awesome anyway), guess it always just conflicted a bit too much with the original characterization for me. Bond's a smartass, yeah, but he's also a pretty messed-up dude.

Not that you can't have fun with the guy, but there's a balance. Connery obviously had the smartass one-liners and all, Lazenby too, they all do to a certain degree. But there's probably a ceiling in how far you want to go with that in a modern Bond flick.

With you on the it-shouldn't-be-personal stuff though. Bond's pretty much gone rogue in every Craig movie (guess not so much Casino, but he's still not exactly passing on the whole story to his bosses either), we need to switch things up from that. I'd love to get away a little from this personal relationship with M we've had for all the Dench era and now starting down that road with Fiennes, too. Just more "hey James, here's your mission, go carry it out and try not to bang everything that moves and pile up another body count", maybe even another 00 agent or two in the mix (not revealed as villains or anything). Sure there are other ways to craft an inventive/interesting plot and add new things even within a more straight-up seemingly simple narrative structure.

Pretty much over the "he gets too close to some chick he's just met, she gets taken by the bad guys and now the gloves come off" schtick.
 
Any choices for the villain? It would be ironic if they could get Elba but I think it’s time for a female villain as lead.
 

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