Comics Boycotting Spider-Man

[stillanerd]

Don't they learn??

They (Marvel) lost tons of fans....(numbers prove it) after the clone saga...had 500,000+ before it, to like 120,000 by end of the Clone Saga.
(pretty close estimates last i looked)

I stopped then....and once again i am FORCED to stop again.

And, I've been sticking around because this is my favorite chracter i've been with since the beginning....but retconning everything, bringing (friends) HArry back from the dead....stupid villians saving old ladies and making ex-wives superheros....in exchange for a "marriage" is just the epitome of LAME-O CHEESE SUPREME.

This reality change....opens up many SORTS of cans of worms.

HAs all the marvel universe changed?? How can they change these things and explain the ramifications of other people who knew MJ, Pete (their marriage) and HArry....and any OTHER person that pops up "alive" in BND...?? Continuity is totally WIPED here...with the worst toilet paper imaginable. NO WONDER JMS HAD NO DESIRE TO PUT HIS NAME TO THIS STINKIE.

And don't forget the one interview where JQ had noted that we might see Pete dating GWEN after OMD....and had also mentioned harry.....

ERGH!

Well, history is gonna repeat itself as we lose more fans, who WANT to read Spidey STORIES.....not AGENDAS and EXPERIMENTS.

Hope someone is working on this retcon of the RETCON to fix this. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME....again.

Like I said in the OMD post, if people STILL believe that Marvel isn't prepping for their own version of "Crisis on Infinite Earths," they only have to look at this latest issue, because the seeds for it have certainly been planted. And you know darn well that Marvel themselves are quaking in their boots about this latest stunt. Why else the release of three Amazing Spider-Man titles per month. They know that, along with JMS leaving, this is likely going to cause a sales drop so they are hoping that releasing the most popular Spider-Man title three times a month will stave off whatever sales drop they have. All they then have to do is to tally up the sales figures for each issue and if the total comes out to more than what Amazing Spider-Man sells for now, they can claim that it's their "Number One Monthly Comic," even if the individual sales figures show a decline. Couple this with "Lost Issues" of what "really happened" and Marvel believes this is a bonanza--just like they thought the Clone Saga would be.

You, too! JEEZ, I warned you guys MONTHS ago that this was all pond scum. No one ever listens

It's the Cassandra effect, my friend.

 

[Blader5489]

Like I said in the OMD post, if people STILL believe that Marvel isn't prepping for their own version of "Crisis on Infinite Earths," they only have to look at this latest issue, because the seeds for it have certainly been planted.

I know it may be hard to believe, but Spider-Man =/= the entire Marvel universe.

 

[Venom 1988]

I know it may be hard to believe, but Spider-Man =/= the entire Marvel universe.

Hence why he said prepping up for their own version, as in OMD is just first sign of Marvel's own Crisis

 

[stillanerd]

Hence why he said prepping up for their own version, as in OMD is just first sign of Marvel's own Crisis

Exactly the point I was making.

 

[Blader5489]

Hence why he said prepping up for their own version, as in OMD is just first sign of Marvel's own Crisis

There is not going to be a Marvel Crisis. This is just Spider-Man; there have been no signs of other characters getting caught into alternate realities or whatever. In fact, there's no reason for a Marvel Crisis to happen. With the exception of the Spidey books, Marvel has been at the top of its game ever since Quesada took over. There is a clear future laid out for the rest of the MU: the SHRA, Messiah Complex, the Initiative, the Skrull invasion, the new Cap, etc. There's no reason whatsoever to erase all of this.

What will probably happen is that BND will be like the Heroes Reborn story from the previos decade: in which Spidey will be "trapped" in this pocket universe created by Mephisto for the goal of keeping Peter out of the main 616 universe (for some unknown reason). Marvel could easily retcon this by having Peter use Loki to return to the main MU, which would essentially be a "man out of time" twist.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

There is not going to be a Marvel Crisis. This is just Spider-Man; there have been no signs of other characters getting caught into alternate realities or whatever. In fact, there's no reason for a Marvel Crisis to happen. With the exception of the Spidey books, Marvel has been at the top of its game ever since Quesada took over. There is a clear future laid out for the rest of the MU: the SHRA, Messiah Complex, the Initiative, the Skrull invasion, the new Cap, etc. There's no reason whatsoever to erase all of this.

What will probably happen is that BND will be like the Heroes Reborn story from the previos decade: in which Spidey will be "trapped" in this pocket universe created by Mephisto for the goal of keeping Peter out of the main 616 universe (for some unknown reason). Marvel could easily retcon this by having Peter use Loki to return to the main MU, which would essentially be a "man out of time" twist.

Thus wasting everyone's time yet again, for who knows HOW many issues.


Again.



Pass.

 

[farmernudie]

Blader: What will probably happen is that BND will be like the Heroes Reborn story from the previos decade: in which Spidey will be "trapped" in this pocket universe created by Mephisto for the goal of keeping Peter out of the main 616 universe (for some unknown reason). Marvel could easily retcon this by having Peter use Loki to return to the main MU, which would essentially be a "man out of time" twist.

Who really wants to visit this mess of a story (don't like to call it a story...it is really an agenda or an experiment) with another retcon...having Loki come in and fix marriages and bring back marriage memories and re-alter reality, kill Harry (AGAIN)....and trump Mephisto's anti-marriage power.

I mean...this whole thing is QUITE dumb. Any retcon acknowledging THIS OMD/BND "story" in any way will be JUST as annoying.

CaptainStacey:

Thus wasting everyone's time yet again, for who knows HOW many issues.


Again.

Argh....i know! That is the most annoying part of this. It is just a waste of time. Who wants to stroll hand in hand with JQ and his cronies (some good ones at that....but...)...who wants to stroll with him backwords thru a swamp, lost for a year....until this spidey experiment fails and we go back to real-world-spidey and not Heroes Reborn Spidey Outta Time and Continuity.

Instead of progressing in some way....he is taking us on a long messed up detour, backwards, in no logical direction that would take us from point A to B. So, a year from now, we can be back to where we started.

It woulda been nice if slott and crews could have wrote REAL stories and not just a spidey-experiement. All those annoucements were nothing but smoke and mirrors as many suggested, helping to turnt he heads from what he was actually gonna do..and TALKED ABOUT doing for the past two years. So...ho-hum...to say the least...and lame...and i have not felt this insulted, since i began collecting in the beginning...since the clone saga...and even THIS is making THAT look good.

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

...Marvel has been at the top of its game ever since Quesada took over.

you're freakin kidding me right?!?! there has been COUNTLESS of continuity errors in other books, not just spider-man.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

you're freakin kidding me right?!?! there has been COUNTLESS of continuity errors in other books, not just spider-man.

Indeed. There has been blatant disregard to continuity all together. The Kingpin mini series comes to mind immediately which ignored continuity set up by Kurt Busiek in Amazing Fantasy #16, as does the Venom vs Carnage mini series when Black Cat acts like she has no idea who Carnage is, even though she fought him years before in Maximum Carnage...

Those could have been great additions to Spider-Man continuity...instead they end up as meaningless nonsense.

 

[antonydelfini]

Guys I'm not reading OMD. Can someone fill me up on what happened with the last issue?

1. What are the things that were retconned?
2. What's with the Harry Osbourne crap?
3. The marriage? MJ?
4. What happend with Aunt May?
5. Was the timeline screwed up?

 

[Blader5489]

you're freakin kidding me right?!?! there has been COUNTLESS of continuity errors in other books, not just spider-man.

What the hell does that have to do with the quality of the stories? I don't know what errors you're referring to, but I do know that Captain America, Thor, Avengers: The Initiative, Annihilation: Conquest, Immortal Iron Fist, and X-Men: Messiah Complex are all ****ing awesome. I know that Cap's death and the SHRA have legitimately changed the landscape of the MU and have been handled wonderfully. I know Iron Man has become more interesting and relevant than he ever has been. And I know that the Secret Invasion isn't just going to be another ad hoc retcon fest, as it has been planned as early as 2004.

Spider-Man is the outlier here. The rest of the MU has been top notch.

 

[Doc Destruction]

And I know that the Secret Invasion isn't just going to be another ad hoc retcon fest, as it has been planned as early as 2004.

I'll take that bet.

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

What the hell does that have to do with the quality of the stories? I don't know what errors you're referring to, but I do know that Captain America, Thor, Avengers: The Initiative, Annihilation: Conquest, Immortal Iron Fist, and X-Men: Messiah Complex are all ****ing awesome. I know that Cap's death and the SHRA have legitimately changed the landscape of the MU and have been handled wonderfully. I know Iron Man has become more interesting and relevant than he ever has been. And I know that the Secret Invasion isn't just going to be another ad hoc retcon fest, as it has been planned as early as 2004.

Spider-Man is the outlier here. The rest of the MU has been top notch.

dude, all the stories you've mentioned are ALL RECENT! quesada has been EIC of marvel since 2000. and if you don't think that continuity has to do with quality of stories, then i don't know what to tell you. a quality story is something that is well-written along with being able to at least make sense with past stories. it's called good story telling. what would be the point of writing a superb issure or mini-series and then having the next issue completely disregard it? and that's exactly what quesada is doing!

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

dude, all the stories you've mentioned are ALL RECENT! quesada has been EIC of marvel since 2000. and if you don't think that continuity has to do with quality of stories, then i don't know what to tell you. a quality story is something that is well-written along with being able to at least make sense with past stories. it's called good story telling. what would be the point of writing a superb issure or mini-series and then having the next issue completely disregarded? and that's exactly what quesada is doing!

Continuity is also what put Marvel on the map, and set it apart from it's competition back in the day.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I just can't believe this... Twenty years of Spidey history down the drain... Now THIS... What's next? Retconning the X-men back to the '70s in order to bring Jean Back from the dead... (again) Or how about Turning back the clock on the F4 and have Sue marry Namor instead of Reed? Let's hit the Reset button on ALL the 616!! Yay Stupidity!!

 

[Joker]

Well, I'm dropping ASM. Long live Ultimate Spider-Man!

 

[Blader5489]

I just can't believe this... Twenty years of Spidey history down the drain... Now THIS... What's next? Retconning the X-men back to the '70s in order to bring Jean Back from the dead... (again) Or how about Turning back the clock on the F4 and have Sue marry Namor instead of Reed? Let's hit the Reset button on ALL the 616!! Yay Stupidity!!

You know what the stupidest thing is? That both X-Men and Fantastic Four have been able to wipe the slate clean, but through new stories, not retcons. House of M and Messiah Complex will make the X-Men less complicated, while Millar and Hitch are stylistically taking the FF back to their roots.

I don't see why this couldn't be done for Spider-Man. Hell, that's exactly what JMS did when he first came on board. It's a shame things have come to this, and it's a shame that JMS has to leave on this note. He is so much more talented than OMD will have you believe.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

JMS WAS good... (some of his stories were a bit too magical for my tastes and to rub some more salt on my wounds, He acknowledges the overuse of magic on his stories) UNTIL Sins Past... from there his writing started the decline (thanks to the Editorial and higher powers meddling...)

The marriage could've been eliminated through various plausible ways not involving Mephisto and magical reset buttons... If we could use Ctrl+Z through life, we wouldn't really learn from our mistakes, why should it be the same with comic book characters...

I never liked the Alternate dimension thing of House of M but I was kinda glad that they reduced the mutant population (except a few muties).

What I find MOST INSULTING from OMD's grande sized retcon supreme is that Most of the "Wrong stuff" on Spidey was made during the Quesada era... Lack of Secret ID, Change of Origin and Webs (Which are as important to Joe Q as a single Spidey), Change from Loner to Avenger. The disappearance of his supporting cast had been a problem form the larte 80s to early 90s...

In a weird way he cares for the characters and he has good intentions, but isn't there a saying that says the path to Hell is paved with good intentions? I can only hope that the next big event post BND fixes continuity into an acceptable imitation of 616 Spidey pre sins past.

 

[iamlegend]

JMS WAS good... (some of his stories were a bit too magical for my tastes and to rub some more salt on my wounds, He acknowledges the overuse of magic on his stories) UNTIL Sins Past... from there his writing started the decline (thanks to the Editorial and higher powers meddling...)

The marriage could've been eliminated through various plausible ways not involving Mephisto and magical reset buttons... If we could use Ctrl+Z through life, we wouldn't really learn from our mistakes, why should it be the same with comic book characters...

I never liked the Alternate dimension thing of House of M but I was kinda glad that they reduced the mutant population (except a few muties).

What I find MOST INSULTING from OMD's grande sized retcon supreme is that Most of the "Wrong stuff" on Spidey was made during the Quesada era... Lack of Secret ID, Change of Origin and Webs (Which are as important to Joe Q as a single Spidey), Change from Loner to Avenger. The disappearance of his supporting cast had been a problem form the larte 80s to early 90s...

In a weird way he cares for the characters and he has good intentions, but isn't there a saying that says the path to Hell is paved with good intentions? I can only hope that the next big event post BND fixes continuity into an acceptable imitation of 616 Spidey pre sins past.

To me therein lies the problem with Spider-Man. Joe Q... The guy just seems to want Spider-Man to be what he was in the 60's-70's (when Joe Q was a fan, I imagine). That's not a bad thing, but instead of starting to have Spider-Man written in that fashion again, he's going to erase history. That's NEVER a good thing, because all it does is muck up the continuity further.

Quesada is worried about the superficial parts of Spider-Man, and not the actual storytelling.

 

[dan1]

Continuity is also what put Marvel on the map, and set it apart from it's competition back in the day.

Exactly. The reason I got into it. My Older Brother was buying back issues of early ASM in the early 80's. He was buying up #25-#100+ at that point, so I was getting to read those, but at the same time buying the current mid 200+ ASMs and PPtSSM, then Web of, etc. It was the ultimate "awesome" that the current issue I was reading flowed so nicely with the old 60's and 70's issues.

Again, I will beat this dead horse over and over again, they got it right, continuity-wise, for over 30 years, I cannot take the excuse seriously of "too much backstory" as to why they have screwed it up so thoroughly in the last 7 years, when I know the were able to keep it entact for so long previously.

That only leads me to one conclusion. The movies did so well, so the effort and care of the comics have taken a back seat, or better yet, are holding on for dear life on a rusty UHaul hitch.

The lack of respect Quesada and company have shown makes me sick to my stomach that I still care enough to rant and hopefully open others' eyes. I almost wish I didn't give a cr ap anymore.

60's, 70's, 80's, most 90's (until Gathering of Five and Reboot) cared about continuity. Quesada pretended to (as he proved by setting the numbering back to volume 1 numbers) but he just doesn't get it. It doesn't matter what the f-ing number or volume is. What matters is on the inside of the books. What matters is the effort the current editors and writers put into keeping ASM consistant from start (1962) to present.

Quesada and Company get an F-

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Guys I'm not reading OMD. Can someone fill me up on what happened with the last issue?

1. What are the things that were retconned?
2. What's with the Harry Osbourne crap?
3. The marriage? MJ?
4. What happend with Aunt May?
5. Was the timeline screwed up?

Spoiler

Sadly The last 20 years have been retconned, Harry Osborn is back, the marriage is over, Aunt May is still sick, but it showed her in the kitchen making food for Peter towards the end of the book.

 

[SpideyInATree]

After reading the final part to One More Day I'm still not going to "boycott" the book. I disliked the marriage and wanted to see it end. However, in the words of Hawkeye from Avengers Disassembled....NOT LIKE THIS!!!!!

Talk about a rushed retcon. Mephisto has taken many forms throughout the years and apparently now he's Joe Quesada.

I'm disappointed in One More Day.

farmernudie said it best. It was just an agenda. As someone who is an aspiring writer and hopes to maybe one day writer the Amazing Spider-Man, the logical thing would have been for Aunt May to die. Not during One More Day but at the beginning of the Back in Black arc. But that's besides the point...

Boycotting the book simply because this storyline and the events spawning out of this aren't exactly the greatest decision is kind of a real quick knee jerk reaction. If boycotting is how people are going to cope with it, than by all means go for it.

But I can only speak for myself. And I'm not going to miss Dan Slott writing Marvel's core title. I've been waiting to see this moment since I finished reading Spider-Man/Human Torch. And despite the disappointment of One More Day and the asinine retcons that will come from this...the Spider-Man books haven't been that bad in my opinion. Minus The Other and Sins Past from the equation and Spider-Man has been really solid. One More Day definitely had a Sins Past vibe to it. It just seems that nobody sat down and really sorted through continuity.

All I know is that if I don't see Ben Reilly returning...I'm gonna freakin' SNAP!

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I won't be buying anymore.I haven't,and this will keep me from it.You can still keep a eye on it..

 

[Themanofbat]

60's, 70's, 80's, most 90's (until Gathering of Five and Reboot) cared about continuity. Quesada pretended to (as he proved by setting the numbering back to volume 1 numbers) but he just doesn't get it. It doesn't matter what the f-ing number or volume is. What matters is on the inside of the books. What matters is the effort the current editors and writers put into keeping ASM consistant from start (1962) to present.

You'll have to blame Bob Harris for THAT bonehead move...

 

[farmernudie]

Too bad we couldn't have had Slott writing REAL spider-man comics and not the continuation of the agenda JQ has implemented.

We are doubly robbed here....by poor decisions and the manipulation of the characters we all love here...to reach JQ's point B.

It is almost like JQ is saying..yeh,i gave you guys SLOTT, but on MY terms...!

I am not boycotting marvel....nor spidey in general..will buy good stuff....and old stuff....BUT...I WILL NOT BUY DIPPY SPIDEY STUFF, which unfortunately will be ALL newly published stuff that continues the OMD "story"-(haha)-line into BND.