Comics Boycotting Spider-Man

[shinlyle]

you all need to seriously cut the whining.....

Yeah....how dare we speak ill of a comic we don't like anymore that is based on a deal with the devil that undid a marriage and aborted Peter and MJ's daughter. What were we thinking?

 

[BlackLantern]

Yeah....how dare we speak ill of a comic we don't like anymore that is based on a deal with the devil that undid a marriage and aborted Peter and MJ's daughter. What were we thinking?

Nothing was aborted...the daughter was merely a possibility...

 

[Leenie]

I don't like the split up because MJ is so important to Peter's character.

While Spider-Man is the superhero, Mary Jane is his hero. Spider-Man sees the world and how dark it is, but Mary Jane is there to remind him of the good that's worth saving.

I just feel that undoing the marriage takes so much away from the story and character ...

 

[iloveclones]

While Spider-Man is the superhero, Mary Jane is his hero. Spider-Man sees the world and how dark it is, but Mary Jane is there to remind him of the good that's worth saving.

...

Yes, he was quite the dark avenging angel before she came along....

 

[shinlyle]

Nothing was aborted...the daughter was merely a possibility...

Baby May now never existed. Her soul was obliterated because she was never concieved. It's a retro-active abortion if I've ever seen one.

If the daughter Peter was talking to wasn't Baby-May, then there's two daughters down. One definitely, and one "possibly".

That's the reason I won't read Spidey anymore. I wonder what Aunt May would think if she knew Peter allowed this to happen....especially to save her?

 

[Dangerous]

Yes, he was quite the dark avenging angel before she came along....

Heheh,

I think he was saying that MJ was the component that brightened up Petey's outlook when the super hero hijinks and financial woes were getting him down, and she also inspired him to keep at em.

 

[Leenie]

Yes, he was quite the dark avenging angel before she came along....

That's definitely not what I meant.

I meant that MJ gives Peter the strength to keep doing what he's doing. If he were all alone saving people all of the time, wouldn't you think he'd start asking himself, "What's the point?"

 

[iloveclones]

Yes, I do.

Strangely enough, that's what I want in my fictional characters: doubt, inner-conflict, all that good stuff. I don't want someone there to kiss all his boo-boos. Personally, although gratifying in the real world, I find it boring.

 

[Themanofbat]

It's not just MJ that would give him the strength to keep on going...

It's Peter's own guilt over what happened with Uncle Ben that has always driven him to do the right thing... no matter who is in Peter's life, be it Betty, Gwen and/or MJ, it's Peter's guilt that always drives him.

 

[Blader5489]

That's definitely not what I meant.

I meant that MJ gives Peter the strength to keep doing what he's doing. If he were all alone saving people all of the time, wouldn't you think he'd start asking himself, "What's the point?"

Spider-Man has been able to survive just fine without MJ in his life.

 

[farmernudie]

But TMOB, the problem here in OMD/BND is the opposite.

It is Peter's guilt here that drove him do the WRONG thing and deal with the devil. Devilishly aborting his child, devilshly sacrificing his marriage and wife, devil-powered long life for the elderly, and devil-powered mindwipes for an entire planet.

He didn't ever say it was out of LOVE for aunt may, why he did the wrong thing here.

He said it was because he didn't want the guilt, so he was and became the most selfish "hero-bum" on the entire planet really....??

 

[farmernudie]

Spider-Man has been able to survive just fine without MJ in his life

Yeh....now he relies on his elderly Aunt instead of his partner who he made vows with.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Spider-Man has been able to survive just fine without MJ in his life.

I'm calling it. You have NEVER been married.

 

[farmernudie]

As someone who IS married...they've made Peter absolutely APPALLING to me suddenly...and he has never been like this....

I can't imagine sacrificing my wife to the devil for my elderly aunt (Who i love).

 

[Blader5489]

I'm calling it. You have NEVER been married.

Being 19? No, I haven't.

And my comment wasn't directed at the real life marriages, or whatever, but rather at the hundreds of Spider-Man issues where Peter didn't have MJ in his life or at least wasn't married to her.

 

[Themanofbat]

But TMOB, the problem here in OMD/BND is the opposite.

It is Peter's guilt here that drove him do the WRONG thing and deal with the devil. Devilishly aborting his child, devilshly sacrificing his marriage and wife, devil-powered long life for the elderly, and devil-powered mindwipes for an entire planet.

He didn't ever say it was out of LOVE for aunt may, why he did the wrong thing here.

He said it was because he didn't want the guilt, so he was and became the most selfish "hero-bum" on the entire planet really....??

For the record, I am happily married as well.

And you're right... in OMD, he reluctantly picked the easy way out, and he was definitely being selfish because he couldn't live with himself if Aunt May had died because of his actions...

But face it... the bottom line is that Marvel Comics Inc wanted Spidey to be single again, especially near the heels of what could be a very sucessful cartoon (and history shows that Spidey cartoons increase Spidey comic sales), so his decisions in OMD have been predetermined by the powers that be, so it had to come across as "explainable" (if that's a word...) as possible; hence the "let's put Peter's life through the wringer" so he "would" make that decision, regardless of how reluctant he might be...

 

[farmernudie]

Well, TMOB, mentally i realize the reason why they did this...yet, it doesn't make it easier to swallow for me i guess. Basically, sometimes knowing soemthing, or understanding theoretically, doesn't make it any easier to deal with. Ya know?

It makes it hard for me to relate now, because he was so (editorially) forced into this direction or agneda or whatever people call it.

And yeh, i am married too. So, i just find the whole thing disgraceful and out of character, tho i realize it wasn't meant to really be in character. it was a means to an end. It just stinks tho.

 

[ReggieWhiteJr]

I'm not married but I never had a hard time relating to Peter because he was married, nor did it bother me. As much as I love the marriage, it being gone isn't my main problem with ASM now. No, my primary beef with the book is that the Peter Parker in ASM seems to be someone I don't even recognize. He acts like a moron, cannot catch a common criminal and seems to have misplaced his common sense.

 

[BlackLantern]

I think Peters' motivation as Spider-Man goes to just being someone who can do the right thing because of the abilities he has....he would consider himself selfish if he didn't.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

hence the "let's put Peter's life through the wringer" so he "would" make that decision, regardless of how reluctant he might be...

Here's what pisses me off the most. Joe claims that Spidey was screwed up, that he needed fixing, but instead, they screw him up even more so they could retcon it later... If he was that screwed up when Joe got the EiC chair (around 2000), why wait until late 2007 to fix Spidey? We had to read around 7 years of a spidey who was so wrong, in the need of some serious fixing. It's like fixing a leaky pipe by drilling holes into it.

 

[BlackLantern]

say what you want about Quesada, but he has been the most visible Marvel EIC in quite some time....seen him on daily show, colbert, conan, fox news, msnbc, G4....getting the word out and all that...

 

[Blader5489]

Here's what pisses me off the most. Joe claims that Spidey was screwed up, that he needed fixing, but instead, they screw him up even more so they could retcon it later... If he was that screwed up when Joe got the EiC chair (around 2000), why wait until late 2007 to fix Spidey? We had to read around 7 years of a spidey who was so wrong, in the need of some serious fixing. It's like fixing a leaky pipe by drilling holes into it.

1) Some things, like MJ's return, were already in the works. So you can't do anything about that.

2) Unmasking Spidey was a PR move to capitalize on Civil War.

3) Back in Black was another PR stunt to capitalize on Spider-Man 3.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Being 19? No, I haven't.

And my comment wasn't directed at the real life marriages, or whatever, but rather at the hundreds of Spider-Man issues where Peter didn't have MJ in his life or at least wasn't married to her.

Yes, but here's what you're missing.

A GOOD marriage makes you a better man. Because with a solid, stable relationship, you don't have to keep all the crap inside that you normally do. Any capable writer could have taken the marriage in a hundred million great ways, but they had no clue how to, other than to add damsel in distress or shlocky soap opera crap to their stories.

Perfect example of bad and good writing with a marriage and/or kids:

The last Flash run was horrid with it. They jammed the marriage and those kids down the reader's throats SO BAD that I couldn't even bring myself to care about either.

The last issue of JLA, Flash mentions his wife and kids TWICE. We don't see them at all. And it worked for me, because they were on his mind, but not the focus of the story for once.

MJ didn't HAVE to show up in every book. Just enough to establish the marriage as solid. A little levity would have been nice, too. Not the WOE IS ME non-stop crap.

 

[shinlyle]

Yes, but here's what you're missing.

A GOOD marriage makes you a better man. Because with a solid, stable relationship, you don't have to keep all the crap inside that you normally do. Any capable writer could have taken the marriage in a hundred million great ways, but they had no clue how to, other than to add damsel in distress or shlocky soap opera crap to their stories.

Perfect example of bad and good writing with a marriage and/or kids:

The last Flash run was horrid with it. They jammed the marriage and those kids down the reader's throats SO BAD that I couldn't even bring myself to care about either.

The last issue of JLA, Flash mentions his wife and kids TWICE. We don't see them at all. And it worked for me, because they were on his mind, but not the focus of the story for once.

MJ didn't HAVE to show up in every book. Just enough to establish the marriage as solid. A little levity would have been nice, too. Not the WOE IS ME non-stop crap.

Preach on, brother.

A marriage is a very complex thing,and there are SO many mroe storytelling possibilities with a married Peter Parker....it boggles the mind how the writers of the past didn't see this!

Good example:
How does you wife squeeze her tube of toothpaste? Does she squeeze it from the end, or the middle? This was the cause of a small war at my home when my wife and I first got married. Little things make the difference. Then again, when you get up on Christmas morning to see a bunch of DVDs underneath the Christmas tree because your wife got up in the middle os the night to suprise you...there's something else.

You could make so much drama out of the marriage, or write it with minimal involvement from MJ. I don't talk to my wife while she's at work. She doesn't call me. After work, we come home, get together, do out things.

No reason that a Spider-book HAS to feature MJ every issue. She can be on his mind, or at work, or what have you. Remember when MJ was an actress on that Soap Opera? She was at work all day, while Spdiey was adventuring. No big deal...and that was when the marriage was really enjoyable.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Hoo boy your girl is due any minute now, right?