Drama Breaking Bad - - Part 15

CJ said:
It's not about the parents. It's about the image the company wants to display. TRU is store designed for children. Having toys promoting an adult-oriented program which features swearing, drugs, graphic violence and partial nudity is ridiculous.

I'm not stupid enough to think the toys will warp any young minds, or cause an influx in meth distribution, it just doesn't fit the store or its target demographic, plain and simple.

I find it odd that anyone would go to TRU to buy one anyway. The only people interested in buying these would be viewers of the show, who would be in their early 20s to mid 30s. If I were buying one of these, I'd feel a wee bit embarrassed and pretty stupid to be doing it at Toys R Us.

Again, BB is a great show, and I wouldn't mind owning one of these toys myself, I just think it's ridiculous to sell them at TRU.
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I see your point entirely. Toys R Us is supposed to be a toy store geared towards children. I'm not saying I agree with them selling the Breaking Bad toys, or Mature-rated video games, or other adult-targeted merchandise. The thing I'm taking issue with is that I hate what our culture has become: If someone doesn't like something or has taken offense to something, the initial reaction nowadays is to tell someone and force someone to make it go away. This mom could have easily just spoken with her wallet and not purchased anything from Toys R Us. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy these Breaking Bad toys, or even shop at TRU altogether.

There are many franchises and businesses that I boycott with my wallet. It's so easy. If you don't like it, then don't give it money. It's literally that simple.

That said, I can also understand why Toys R Us sells these kind of products in the first place. The adult toy market, in my opinion, seems to be much bigger nowadays, especially when comparing to children's toys. Every business looks for where the money's at.
 
I just watched the whole series on DVD for the first time.

Wonderful and engrossing! Television can certainly be a medium for telling a good story. The only problem that I can see quickly - noticed it in the final episodes - is that the entire five year series is supposed to take place within about two years total. It seems to me, that with Walt's cancer treatment, Jesse's injuries, and Hanks long recovery, the events could have naturally been spread out over the five years that the show lasted. Just a minor quibble.

So what is the next big event series for television? Maybe Better Call Saul will bring some great experiences ... or Dexter Morgan might resurface in another city?
 
Breaking Bad: 9 Poor Story Choices

http://whatculture.com/tv/breaking-bad-9-poor-story-choices.php/1

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Well, of course the show isn't flawless. I don't know of any show that is.

I stopped reading after that.
 
Just from experience in this thread, I know any criticism of Breaking Bad is pretty much automatically mocked. But most of that stuff really isn't worth anything, though he does bring up some points that have shades of validity. The last one about Todd and Lydia not adding much to the story is actually a good one, I think. They introduce key elements, but as characters, after they've done that they are just kind of...there. Especially Lydia. Both were pretty underdeveloped.
 
carrrnuttt said:
Uhm.

Did they just COMPLETELY miss the point of the show?
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It's whatculture.com, ALL their articles are like that. It's like they only accept submissions from trolls and morons who have been banned from all the good sites.
 
Still have a huge fangirl crush on Vince Gilligan.
 
Tron Bonne said:
Just from experience in this thread, I know any criticism of Breaking Bad is pretty much automatically mocked. But most of that stuff really isn't worth anything, though he does bring up some points that have shades of validity. The last one about Todd and Lydia not adding much to the story is actually a good one, I think. They introduce key elements, but as characters, after they've done that they are just kind of...there. Especially Lydia. Both were pretty underdeveloped.
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When first watching the series, I initially thought that Todd and Lydia were underdeveloped. What more is there to know about them, though? I feel like the show demonstrated really well about what their personalities are like and how those personalities fit into the drug "empire." The fact that both of their deaths (especially Todd's) felt so rewarding tells me that they did enough for their characters, in my opinion. Also, by the time those two characters were introduced to the show, it wasn't about the obstacles and "bad guys" that Walter was trying to overcome (not until the last episode of the series, that is), because Walter himself became the main bad guy of the show when he killed Gus.

It's kind like Marie's kleptomania. One could argue that it went nowhere, but it actually did when you think about it. First off, Marie's personality quirk isn't just used for exposition; it demonstrates that she's a REAL person with REAL flaws. It's good characterization. When you really think about it, though, it did play an important part in the show.

First off, it's called "Breaking Bad" for a reason. Every character, in one way or another, "breaks bad." Secondly, it actually did help out with the plot and Hank's story. In Season 4, Marie gets busted, and while Hank is at home from almost getting killed (and feeling sorry for himself), he asks a detective friend for a favor to drop the charges against Marie. In return, his friend asks him to look over the case file concerning Gale Boetticher's death. Without Marie's kleptomania, Hank may have never found out about Walter's secret.

Also, it begs the question as to why Hank would want the charges dropped for Marie, but is willing to fry Walter. It further demonstrates how there is no moral black and white in this show. It's all gray. "Gray Matter," if you will. :cwink:
 
Agreed in there. It just feels like there was more to do with them than what we saw on the show.
 
Leenie said:
When first watching the series, I initially thought that Todd and Lydia were underdeveloped. What more is there to know about them, though? I feel like the show demonstrated really well about what their personalities are like and how those personalities fit into the drug "empire." The fact that both of their deaths (especially Todd's) felt so rewarding tells me that they did enough for their characters, in my opinion. Also, by the time those two characters were introduced to the show, it wasn't about the obstacles and "bad guys" that Walter was trying to overcome (not until the last episode of the series, that is), because Walter himself became the main bad guy of the show when he killed Gus.
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If there's nothing to know about a character, why are they there then? You could have easily written Todd out, and had Buck take his place, and Lydia could've vanished after the first episode of season 5, and it wouldn't have mattered. I don't think the argument is that they were necessarily poorly written per say, just that they don't add anything, which they don't really. You could argue Todd makes a good antagonists to Jesse in the last episodes, but I felt kind of like everything with Jesse in those last two episodes was somewhat undercooked.

It's kind like Marie's kleptomania. One could argue that it went nowhere, but it actually did when you think about it. First off, Marie's personality quirk isn't just used for exposition; it demonstrates that she's a REAL person with REAL flaws. It's good characterization. When you really think about it, though, it did play an important part in the show.

First off, it's called "Breaking Bad" for a reason. Every character, in one way or another, "breaks bad." Secondly, it actually did help out with the plot and Hank's story. In Season 4, Marie gets busted, and while Hank is at home from almost getting killed (and feeling sorry for himself), he asks a detective friend for a favor to drop the charges against Marie. In return, his friend asks him to look over the case file concerning Gale Boetticher's death. Without Marie's kleptomania, Hank may have never found out about Walter's secret.

Also, it begs the question as to why Hank would want the charges dropped for Marie, but is willing to fry Walter. It further demonstrates how there is no moral black and white in this show. It's all gray. "Gray Matter," if you will. :cwink:
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I agree with a lotof what you say here, though I don't see the connection with what we're talking about previously.

Though I do think it's pretty obvious what the difference is in that last statement lol.
 
Tron Bonne said:
If there's nothing to know about a character, why are they there then? You could have easily written Todd out, and had Buck take his place, and Lydia could've vanished after the first episode of season 5, and it wouldn't have mattered. I don't think the argument is that they were necessarily poorly written per say, just that they don't add anything, which they don't really. You could argue Todd makes a good antagonists to Jesse in the last episodes, but I felt kind of like everything with Jesse in those last two episodes was somewhat undercooked.
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In my opinion, they play a big part with Walter's rise and downfall as Heisenberg. Like I said, Walt makes himself the main villain by season 5, and his hubris brings upon his downfall. The likes of Lydia, Todd, and Todd's neo-Nazi family were able to bring down Heisenberg because of Walt's poor decision-making that was driven by his ego. I feel that those characters served their purpose in the main story that was being told about Walter White. I see Heisenberg as the main villain and main obstacle of the final season.

I brought up the Marie kleptomania thing because I was trying to say that the show may seem thin and underdeveloped in some areas, but I've found that they do serve a purpose in one way or another. Was just using an example of something from the show that plenty of people have criticized, which was Marie's problems. Sorry if it seemed that I was jumping around topics, haha.
 
Leenie said:
In my opinion, they play a big part with Walter's rise and downfall as Heisenberg. Like I said, Walt makes himself the main villain by season 5, and his hubris brings upon his downfall. The likes of Lydia, Todd, and Todd's neo-Nazi family were able to bring down Heisenberg because of Walt's poor decision-making that was driven by his ego. I feel that those characters served their purpose in the main story that was being told about Walter White. I see Heisenberg as the main villain and main obstacle of the final season.
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Yeah, I agree they do serve that initial purpose, but I think there's expectation that if you're going to keep a character around, you should do something with them beyond that. I guess had BB not set that precedent with Gus, maybe it'd be less noticeable and we could assume that "bad guys" are one dimensional and such.

But, for what it's worth, I don't find it a major issue or anything. I definitely wouldn't call it any kind of fatal flaw.
 
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Leenie said:
When first watching the series, I initially thought that Todd and Lydia were underdeveloped. What more is there to know about them, though? I feel like the show demonstrated really well about what their personalities are like and how those personalities fit into the drug "empire." The fact that both of their deaths (especially Todd's) felt so rewarding tells me that they did enough for their characters, in my opinion. Also, by the time those two characters were introduced to the show, it wasn't about the obstacles and "bad guys" that Walter was trying to overcome (not until the last episode of the series, that is), because Walter himself became the main bad guy of the show when he killed Gus.

It's kind like Marie's kleptomania. One could argue that it went nowhere, but it actually did when you think about it. First off, Marie's personality quirk isn't just used for exposition; it demonstrates that she's a REAL person with REAL flaws. It's good characterization. When you really think about it, though, it did play an important part in the show.

First off, it's called "Breaking Bad" for a reason. Every character, in one way or another, "breaks bad." Secondly, it actually did help out with the plot and Hank's story. In Season 4, Marie gets busted, and while Hank is at home from almost getting killed (and feeling sorry for himself), he asks a detective friend for a favor to drop the charges against Marie. In return, his friend asks him to look over the case file concerning Gale Boetticher's death. Without Marie's kleptomania, Hank may have never found out about Walter's secret.

Also, it begs the question as to why Hank would want the charges dropped for Marie, but is willing to fry Walter. It further demonstrates how there is no moral black and white in this show. It's all gray. "Gray Matter," if you will. :cwink:
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I thought Marie's kleptomania - her small way of breaking bad - fit very well into the overall show. Marie matured and grew the most of any of the characters, with the possible exception of Hank.

Todd and Lydia, on the other hand, really was not developed.
 
Hopefully she'll make it up for the awful lead actress. :up:
 
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