BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 7

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Superman kills without a second thought. Cavill portrays him as a thug. He goes and threatens Batman's life for no reason other than Batman branding criminals. He's mopey and all he does is scowl

He killed a maniac in zod who said himself he was never gonna stop and clark literally was down to no more options.
He was never gonna kill batman as evident in the final fight as well so you can rest easy.
I will give u the mopey though.

Marvel heroes kill the villians all the time without a second thought but superman its not ok? Give me a break
 
He killed a maniac in zod who said himself he was never gonna stop and clark literally was down to no more options.
He was never gonna kill batman as evident in the final fight as well so you can rest easy.
I will give u the mopey though.

Marvel heroes kill the villians all the time without a second thought but superman its not ok? Give me a break

Um, yeah. Because he's Superman.
 
Clark finds an inner peace at the end of MoS. Is it completely gone from BvS? If so, they took a note from Marvel and how they handle Tony Stark. They reset him at the beginning of every movie.

I'd say it is.

FFS, he launches like a speeding bullet to stop that Warlord. He didn't learn **** from killing Zod. It's like Snyder's ideal hero is to KILL. KILL. KILL. It's disgusting and a disgrace.
 
Madlove:
Some people are fundamentally against the take on these characters and are using it to justify their judgment that the movie was bad when in fact plenty of higher rated movies are just as flawed in terms of technical filmmaking. The only real difference is the artistic approach and that's really a matter of taste, which many are unwilling to admit. Some of them want pure escapism that depicts a romanticized reality. But the truth is, Snyder's approach of humanizing the characters in a world as flawed as ours is just as valid and does interest people.

DC's characters are more established in pop culture and therefore have more ingrained opinions about their approach. Then you have the genre trend being dominated by escapist takes. Even Nolan's trilogy had a great sense of idealism with statements like anyone can be Batman and make a difference. Many are rejecting Snyder's assertion that the real/flawed world would be no better with superheroes, and furthermore they would unavoidably be a product of the real/flawed world. Therefore, any idealism will be met with controversy and conflict. That is how the way the world is, but some people what pure escapism whereas others appreciate acknowledging how things really are. I want to see Snyder direct X-Men. Snyder does have flaws as a director but so do most superhero directors, which is why TDK is still lauded at the top of the genre. Yet, people are using any opportunity to push their aesthetic bias by conflating anything negative and use any opportunity to assert it's the approach that's the issue.

I agree. I choose to keep some optimism cause it's something different than Marvel or Fox are offering in the superhero genra as far as approach is concerned so of course it'll be met with bias. Will the movie have faults? Undoubtedly. Will I like it? I don't know yet. Even if I don't, I can honestly say there's a lot of superhero movies out there that I don't care too much for yet some reason seem to have gotten a higher rating than this.

Let's see, it's Wednesday and the movie hasn't even come out widespread yet it's already getting derailed by RottenTomatoes? This RottenTomatoes site (a terrible review site that I never go by) gets too much attention. A fresh vs. rotten rating with no numerical scale then aggregating it all together for a percent score of yay or nay isn't the most informative. Furthermore, there's a critical bandwagon effect that always happens with any popular movie that has me not really liking the site all that much. I read a few reveiws and critics aren't a fan of the approach/tonality. I think Henry Cavill's response sums things up well:
"We get the critics who have their personal opinions," Cavill told Yahoo UK. "The thing about personal opinions is they always come from a place and there's a preconceived idea which you have to get past, the critic, before you start writing your article or your review and that affects everything."
 
He didn't humanize ****. Superman wrestles with whether he's need or not...only to do his job anyways. That's not being a human, that's forcing obligation where it didn't need to be forced. Superman comes across as a wage slave complaining about his job, yet he still does it anyways.

As for Batman, the problem was he had no context for his development, so he comes across as a brutal jackass. If there was just ONE line that showed Bruce's regression, it would've been fine.

I believe that was the point.

Like Clark himself said in the movie, he's doing what his dad expected him to (and he did question that).

So, you are saying following your parent's wishes is not being human? He struggles with it, of course (especially after what happens in the film). It's natural, considering the mistake he made.

It would be weird if he didn't question it at all.

As for context for Bruce's motivation - that was pretty much provided in the first few scenes (If you don't see that as a strong enough of a motivation, especially for a person like Batman, I don't know what to tell you). He's regression is shown in the action, after Clark says what he says.
 
Just got out, can see why critics didn't love it, but not fans. Thought it was amazing. Huge ovation after
 
Supernova

He killed an ordinary man at the start of this movie

And no, just because Marvel does it doesn't mean its okay. You need to understand I'm a DC guy. I even appreciate Batman and Robin to a certain extent as a (poor) adaption of campy 60s Batman.

This movie is awful, without reference to any comics. It's an abomination of a film.
 
I really want to hear Mark Kermode's take on this movie now. He has been one of Snyder's biggest critics for years and I always enjoyed the way he mocks him.
 
It's funny, for years I was harsh on Man of Steel, but I strangely feel sorry for being so hard on it now. It wasn't awful, it was simply mishandled and was a decent foundation for a superman sequel. BvS just feels like a cluster **** in comparison, like someone dropping a beautifully decorated cake. It's a complete mess.
 
Hearing how bad the film is and knowing all that happens.

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I still have tickets for 12:30 but I don't want a BvS film like this.
 
Just got out, can see why critics didn't love it, but not fans. Thought it was amazing. Huge ovation after

I just do not buy these reports of ovations.

In no world is this movie deserving of an ovation.
 
I really want to hear Mark Kermode's take on this movie now. He has been one of Snyder's biggest critics for years and I always enjoyed the way he mocks him.

I don't. Listen I've been having a go at Snyder a lot, but Kermode is your typical snooty arrogant pretentious critic, even if Snyder had delivered he would have panned the film.
 
this was a disservice to superman fans everywhere. I'm sorry guys.

No, a select portion of the fan base who are so close minded that they would only accept their iteration of Superman.

I can understand passion, but this is beyond....

I'd say it is.

FFS, he launches like a speeding bullet to stop that Warlord. He didn't learn **** from killing Zod. It's like Snyder's ideal hero is to KILL. KILL. KILL. It's disgusting and a disgrace.

Wow, really? Did you even pay attention? He actually says that he didn't kill anyone.
 
It's funny, for years I was harsh on Man of Steel, but I strangely feel sorry for being so hard on it now. It wasn't awful, it was simply mishandled and was a decent foundation for a superman sequel. BvS just feels like a cluster **** in comparison, like someone dropping a beautifully decorated cake. It's a complete mess.

I've been crapping on Man of Steel after BvS. It's like BvS amplified the flaws in Man of Steel.
 
Some of you are probably too young to understand why those first 2 Superman films were great, but just thinking of Reeve catching the spire from the Empire State then giving that smile to the lady whom he saved, I wish we got a little smile like that.
 
Supernova

He killed an ordinary man at the start of this movie

And no, just because Marvel does it doesn't mean its okay. You need to understand I'm a DC guy. I even appreciate Batman and Robin to a certain extent as a (poor) adaption of campy 60s Batman.

This movie is awful, without reference to any comics. It's an abomination of a film.

No he didnt dude, he tackled him and the proceeding scenes suggested that.

The hearing was for the people that got shot and killed
 
I don't. Listen I've been having a go at Snyder a lot, but Kermode is your typical snooty arrogant pretentious critic, even if Snyder had delivered he would have panned the film.

Well given that Snyder has NEVER delivered, that makes sense.
 
I don't. Listen I've been having a go at Snyder a lot, but Kermode is your typical snooty arrogant pretentious critic, even if Snyder had delivered he would have panned the film.
I am right the with you on Kermode. He takes pleasure in attacking and insulting people.
 
Hearing how bad the film is and knowing all that happens.

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I still have tickets for 12:30 but I don't want a BvS film like this.

Maybe drink a few shots before you go in.
 
u do realize reeves killed zod cold blooded to in the originals right along with his sidekicks? Is that not ok too bcause hes superman

Back when MOS, people weren't okay with Superman II's ending either.
 
No he didnt dude, he tackled him and the proceeding scenes suggested that.

The hearing was for the people that got shot and killed

At light speed through about two thick, concrete walls.

What do you think happened to him?

My only explanation as to why nothing was raised about it was because the guys body disintegrated into a million pieces
 
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