The Winter Soldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[Spider-Fan]

I'm hoping it does pass MOS actually. That's the only way I see WB moving that date of BVS. It's so stupid that they'd take that date knowing Marvel had it. I honestly thought that Cap would get slaughtered on that date but if Marvel does a death of Steve Rogers, it won't be the mismatch that people make it. It's Chris Evan's last movie on contract(not counting Avengers 3, but Sebastion has signed a 6 or 9 picture deal and has only been in 2 thus far.

I really hate the kill Cap in Cap 3 idea. Especially when he is signed on for Avengers 3. I'd much rather they do something else. Far too early to kill him. Especially before Avengers 3. Why do that?

 

[hafizbat]

So how is $700m looking? Possible? Probable??

 

[Docker2.0]

I really hate the kill Cap in Cap 3 idea. Especially when he is signed on for Avengers 3. I'd much rather they do something else. Far too early to kill him. Especially before Avengers 3. Why do that?

Yeah but if Evans has no plans of coming back after his contract............That's kind of why I was against him getting it in the first place. They should have got an unknown like they did with Helmsworth, who seems to enjoy playing Thor.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah but if Evans has no plans of coming back after his contract............That's kind of why I was against him getting it in the first place. They should have got an unknown like they did with Helmsworth, who seems to enjoy playing Thor.

We've heard more stuff about Hemms wanting to leave his contract ASAP due to the money he is making than we have Evans. I just don't see the logic in killing one of your 2 most popular Avengers, especially prior to the big finale for much of the cast. Seems stupid to me. I'd much rather they recast.

 

[Docker2.0]

Really!?! That's news to me but I believe you. I hope Marvel really pays these guys what they are worth. I understand they didn't pay much in the beginning because they were a start up company, but now with all the hits they have plus Disney backing them, they really can afford to pay them now.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think the idea is they start off small and then make more per appearance, maybe getting bonuses too? Not sure. Certainly if they resign they'll only do so for much larger wages but in Marvel's defense they have to keep that sort of thing in check. I doubt any of the headliners are getting screwed and supporting cast probably gets their going rate.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I remember reading that Hemsworth was mad that Marvel was giving him a very small bonus for Thor 2 (but still well below his going rate), and his agent said something like he'd be happier working for Universal on Snow White movies as he gets paid more. I remember reading that back when RDJ was still negotiating his deal.

I don't think I read that level of dissatisfaction in regard to Evans, but I remember hearing RDJ was unhappy that his co-stars were being under paid and at one point, ScarJo and Hems were close to leaving.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

So how is $700m looking? Possible? Probable??

It depends on how it does OS from now on.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Also depends on how much the spider effects Cap.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I remember reading that Hemsworth was mad that Marvel was giving him a very small bonus for Thor 2 (but still well below his going rate), and his agent said something like he'd be happier working for Universal on Snow White movies as he gets paid more. I remember reading that back when RDJ was still negotiating his deal.

I don't think I read that level of dissatisfaction in regard to Evans, but I remember hearing RDJ was unhappy that his co-stars were being under paid and at one point, ScarJo and Hems were close to leaving.

Hems would almost certainly have known how much he would potentially get when he signed the first contract, no? And one can't discount the notion that Thor helped elevate him to a higher level in Hollywood, getting valuable exposure and thereby helping him land higher profile roles. That's an intangible that you won't ever see on any contract, and no one will ever speak of because it isn't a sack full of hard cash, but it's important nonetheless imo.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I remember reading that Hemsworth was mad that Marvel was giving him a very small bonus for Thor 2 (but still well below his going rate), and his agent said something like he'd be happier working for Universal on Snow White movies as he gets paid more. I remember reading that back when RDJ was still negotiating his deal.

I don't think I read that level of dissatisfaction in regard to Evans, but I remember hearing RDJ was unhappy that his co-stars were being under paid and at one point, ScarJo and Hems were close to leaving.

I think Evans could return for maybe a couple more movies after A3, since he sounded open to a possible contract renewal if he thinks the future plot and character arcs for CA are solid.

With Hemsworth, he doesn't give many interviews and everything that's been said about his contract situation and happiness with it have all come from second-hand sources and rumors. I sure hope the contract negotiations we heard about last summer over salary for the actors has smoothed things over and made it possible for possible contract renewals.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hems would almost certainly have known how much he would potentially get when he signed the first contract, no? And one can't discount the notion that Thor helped elevate him to a higher level in Hollywood, getting valuable exposure and thereby helping him land higher profile roles. That's an intangible that you won't ever see on any contract, and no one will ever speak of because it isn't a sack full of hard cash, but it's important nonetheless imo.

At the time, Hems wasn't worth what he is now. But, come Thor 2, his going rate increased heavily. So, when he signed the contract for Thor, he didn't know his going rate was going to be a lot higher than his Thor deal. I agree, that the fact Thor helped elevate him there is important, but he was paid millions for Snow White and the Huntsman (I think like 5 million). If I remember correctly, didn't he only make like 200-250k for Thor? And his initial raise before RDJ got involved in those negotiations was still WAY below his going rate of 5 mil around the time Thor 2 was being made.

I don't like when we talk the millions actors get paid, since people like us make SO much less. But, at the same time...300k is WAY less than 5 mil. I can see why he was mad.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Evans could return for maybe a couple more movies after A3, since he sounded open to a possible contract renewal if he thinks the future plot and character arcs for CA are solid.

With Hemsworth, he doesn't give many interviews and everything that's been said about his contract situation and happiness with it have all come from second-hand sources and rumors. I sure hope the contract negotiations we heard about last summer over salary for the actors has smoothed things over and made it possible for possible contract renewals.

I think likely the situation is much better now than it was last year. Prior to the release of Avengers, even Disney didn't know what they had. Now that they do, I'm sure the salaries are more fair. I'm just saying, we've heard rumblings over time that Hems was fairly unhappy, while with Evans he seems more open for future Marvel films.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

At the time, Hems wasn't worth what he is now. But, come Thor 2, his going rate increased heavily. So, when he signed the contract for Thor, he didn't know his going rate was going to be a lot higher than his Thor deal. I agree, that the fact Thor helped elevate him there is important, but he was paid millions for Snow White and the Huntsman (I think like 5 million). If I remember correctly, didn't he only make like 200-250k for Thor? And his initial raise before RDJ got involved in those negotiations was still WAY below his going rate of 5 mil around the time Thor 2 was being made.

I don't like when we talk the millions actors get paid, since people like us make SO much less. But, at the same time...300k is WAY less than 5 mil. I can see why he was mad.

A contract is a contract. If he was happy enough to sign it initially, he ought to honor it without *****ing, or buy his way out if he feels he's being treated unfairly. Which he isn't, because he agreed to the terms in the first place.

These long term deals have a bit of gamble in them, and if you hit it big and have to do a few pictures on the cheap then maybe you shouldn't have been so eager to sign in the first place.

Hell, I've done contractor work in the past, and a few times I seriously underbid jobs. It sucked but I did it anyway, and didn't whine to the media about it afterwards. Suck it up.

 

[Spider-Fan]

A contract is a contract. If he was happy enough to sign it initially, he ought to honor it without *****ing, or buy his way out if he feels he's being treated unfairly. Which he isn't, because he agreed to the terms in the first place.

These long term deals have a bit of gamble in them, and if you hit it big and have to do a few pictures on the cheap then maybe you shouldn't have been so eager to sign in the first place.

Hell, I've done contractor work in the past, and a few times I seriously underbid jobs. It sucked but I did it anyway, and didn't whine to the media about it afterwards. Suck it up.

But, we don't have millions of dollars and fancy lawyers

But seriously, Hollywood does underpay many creative people on films. Not really talking about actors, mostly SFX artists. Those guys have a giant HEADACHE of work, and more films need more SFX shots, but they never get part of the Avengers pie. It kind of sucks.

But, that is a topic for another day.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I won't argue there. I've often wondered how much a set carpenter makes, and if that would be worth my while. Cuz they don't make **** around here.

I've seen credits for "caterer", but never "plumber"

 

[Spider-Fan]

I won't argue there. I've often wondered how much a set carpenter makes, and if that would be worth my while. Cuz they don't make **** around here.

I've seen credits for "caterer", but never "plumber"

I'd say that is something to look into! While CGI and stuff still is largely taking over practical effects, you always need set designers/builders!

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I really hate the kill Cap in Cap 3 idea. Especially when he is signed on for Avengers 3. I'd much rather they do something else. Far too early to kill him. Especially before Avengers 3. Why do that?

I was actually thinking they'd have Rumlow kill Cap in Avengers 2. Then maybe mid-credits Tony meets up with Bucky somehow and says "I don't care that you killed my father, the world needs Captain America."

Then by the end of Cap 3, Bucky Cap finds Steve alive.

Steve Cap returns to fight Thanos in Avengers 3. And we get this:

 

[Spider-Fan]

I was actually thinking they'd have Rumlow kill Cap in Avengers 2. Then maybe mid-credits Tony meets up with Bucky somehow and says "I don't care that you killed my father, the world needs Captain America."

Then by the end of Cap 3, Bucky Cap finds Steve alive.

Steve Cap returns to fight Thanos in Avengers 3. And we get this:

That moment needs to happen in Avengers 3!

But, Cap should be alive the whole movie!

 

[kosh33]

I'm hoping it does pass MOS actually. That's the only way I see WB moving that date of BVS. It's so stupid that they'd take that date knowing Marvel had it. I honestly thought that Cap would get slaughtered on that date but if Marvel does a death of Steve Rogers, it won't be the mismatch that people make it. It's Chris Evan's last movie on contract(not counting Avengers 3, but Sebastion has signed a 6 or 9 picture deal and has only been in 2 thus far.

What if its a tie!
cap3 should get a Avengers 2 boost since its the first one with an avenger returning.. antman might get a boost if there is a end-credit scene, but i dont think any of the main cast will be doing cameos

 

[kosh33]

Thanos kills everyone with 5 infinity stones, but when all hope is lost, someone finds the Time stone, they go back in time, undo everything and save the world, or thanos kills everyone again.. the end.

 

[kosh33]

so what the final prediction for cap2 looking like - 650 or 700 m?
has it opened in all international markets?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

The horror film The Quiet Ones and I think two other releases are opening this week.

The Other Woman with Cameron Diaz is predicted by most sites to win the w/e

Thanks. That doesn't seem like tough competition to me. I can see Cap coming out on top for another weekend. Time will tell.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Thanos kills everyone with 5 infinity stones, but when all hope is lost, someone finds the Time stone, they go back in time, undo everything and save the world, or thanos kills everyone again.. the end.

That would be brilliant.

 

[Xeno]

My heart is literally full of so much Cap joy!

Also, by spreading out release dates, Marvel/Disney got a threepeater/possible fourpeater at number 1 at the box office. I don't know if Cap would've scored this much $$$ in the summer, because of the more direct competition. However, the good word of mouth + ideal release date + popularity of the MCU + legitimately great CBM all factored in here for a successful installment.

I'm just glad that Cap's franchise looks to be the crown jewel at the moment of the original Avengers lineup.

This is a Cap fan's dream come true. He is finally getting his due with a film that not only raked in the cash but is also one of the best of the genre. Captain America has always deserved to be one of the most popular superheroes among the GA and now he finally is. It's been a long time coming but it's all the sweeter for the wait.