CG Venom vs. Prosthetics Venom

[paulyfknt90]

what school and what corses would i have to take to do that for a living, i always wanted to to anything in movie making

i wanted to do cgi animation and makeup/prosthetics


hell id even do prop and set design, can some one help me??

 

[Eddie Brock]

i'm guessing a movie school of sorts

 

[Idio]

The jaw is going to be the hardest part to do without cgi. Like Venom talking and everything. From the Comic Con footage, its pretty obvious that his mouth is going to be abnormally huge. CGI is going to be needed for that.

Although I think some of the time, the symbiote won't be on his face and head, so you can see Topher's head but he'll still have the costume wrapped around him.

 

[Eddie Brock]

yeah, i cant imagine a prostetics jaw
that'll have to be mostly CGI

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

Nope, it was only CGI when he was doing all that running, jumping, and tranforming stuff I believe. The rest was a prothestic bodysuit designed by EdgeFX (the same company who made Ock's tentacles for SM2, interestingly enough).

Come to think about it, that could probally work on out Venom... Of course, they'd give Venom a CGI Jaw... And CGI renders maybe when he fights, jumps, etc...

 

[ISHMAEL]

The jaw is going to be the hardest part to do without cgi. Like Venom talking and everything. From the Comic Con footage, its pretty obvious that his mouth is going to be abnormally huge. CGI is going to be needed for that.

Although I think some of the time, the symbiote won't be on his face and head, so you can see Topher's head but he'll still have the costume wrapped around him.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Come to think about it, that could probally work on out Venom...

true, but the jaw should definitely be CGI

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

true, but the jaw should definitely be CGI

Haha you got to my post, before I can edit that in... Haha.

 

[Eddie Brock]

cause i mean, seriously, if that huge jaw was prostetics, then it would just dangle there and not move

 

[Idio]

cause i mean, seriously, if that huge jaw was prostetics, then it would just dangle there and not move

Yeah, look at some movies where some creature or character with a prosthetic jaw had to talk. No matter how good those prosthetics were, the jaw and mouth just looked to fake. It couldn't move its lips well enough to mimic the words it was saying.

I respect Raimi for really trying to take the "CGI only when completely necessary" but with Venom, in a lot of the situations, it is absolutely necessary.

 

[Eddie Brock]

well Sam did say that if Venom wasn't in the movies, this thing could be out in 2006
so that goes to show how much CGI is needed

 

[paulyfknt90]

^ they better do an amazing job lol.

i cnt wait to see venom!

 

[Aiden]

well Sam did say that if Venom wasn't in the movies, this thing could be out in 2006
so that goes to show how much CGI is needed

Did he even say Venom? I thought he would've been reffering to Sandman

Anyway. I say only use CGI where it's needed. Pointless CGI ends up looking silly

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Exactly! not only silly but cheesy aswell!

 

[CrypticOne]

They're gonna have to use CG for the tougue and basically all his fight scenes.

 

[Grobb]

At Comic-Con, Topher Grace said that it took him 45 minutes to put on the suit and 4 hours to put on the makeup. So...

It sounds like they are gonna do Venom for real, instead of using CGI. I was rather surprised.

This means that they're going to have to make some compromises in the design of Venom. There is no way they can make him look like the Venom from the comic book without using CGI. It's just not physically possible...is it?

So what do you think? Will Venom, perhaps, be part CG and part real (like some of the Narnia creatures)? How much of him will be real? Do you think it will look silly of they do him totally for real?

I think it will be a good combination of both. Maybe they will use some complex combination like Davy Jones in Pirates 2?

 

[Red]

I would rather all CGI, but Prosthetics could work.

 

[superkong 500]

The challenge with venom is thta his head is much bigger than a humans and his mouth and jaw are inmensely huge,plus take into account that when his jaw moves we should see his muscles rippling inside as he talks plus his expressions can't be done with animatronics, he would just be stiff but with cgi they can make his face flexible everytime he opens his mouth we should see little wrinkles on his eyebrow area/forehead and his nose area,I think they should do like someone here said,do something like what they did with davy jones.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I think it will be a good combination of both. Maybe they will use some complex combination like Davy Jones in Pirates 2?

Davy Jones was all CGI man..get with the times

 

[paulyfknt90]

^ he wasnt all cgi


he was played by Bill Nighy, the didnt use cgi all that much on him

 

[paulyfknt90]

double post

 

[Eddie Brock]

from Wikipedia: Davy Jones is completely CGI. Bill Nighy portrayed him, using motion capture, on the set during filming, rather than in a motion capture studio during postproduction.

plus, also from Wikipedia: Because of the computer-generated character’s photorealism, many reviewers have mistakenly identified Nighy as wearing prosthetic makeup.

 

[Dragon]

what? prostehtics for the hulk? that'd look ridiculous.

Hi, remember me?

You're using THIS as an example? It's like saying because you see a bad oil painting, oil paints are no good. Who said this was the height of prosthetic work?

 

[superkong 500]

Davy Jones was all CGI man..get with the times

I think what he meant with combination was the mocap process in which they cgi'd davy on top of bill nighty's performance.

 

[Eddie Brock]

^ it was pretty advanced though..