CG Venom vs. Prosthetics Venom

[superkong 500]

I agree in so far as spiderman's concerned because it completely kills the realism to see a energetic cartoon character suddenly bouncing around every time macguire exits frame. But I can't think of doing the hulk/thing/juggy/any HUGE comic hero justice without fully realizing them through cgi. It's come to such a point where the distinct lines between what's really captured on set and what's added later in a computer are being erased.

roar

The problem with cgi is inconsistency,sometimes a character's rendering in a shot appears almost photorealistic but in other shots it looks completely cartoony which kills the illusion, therefore I think that with venom they have the chance to blend the best make-up effects via prostetics and so forth with cgi in places that require movements that cannot be achieved any other way. And only use complete cgi in complex acrobatic shots or fight scenes were venom goes aerial and webslings like spidey,for close-ups they should use the combination so when and audience sees it they will not know where the prostetics end and the digital begins.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Cgi

 

[Eddie Brock]

C
G
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the only three letters they need

 

[superkong 500]

Anyway we already know that make-up will be used a lot in venom, I just hope that when we see cuts between the cgi venom and the prostetic life action one we don't notice it very much.

 

[avpmaster132004]

Im very intrested in this... Will it look "Alien" like?

 

[Mr. Vice]

Im very intrested in this... Will it look "Alien" like?

you bet it will...

 

[Eddie Brock]

someone should manip that King Kong pic into Venom...

 

[superkong 500]

Yes it should look alienlike,and terrifying as hell.

 

[Mr. Vice]

someone should manip that King Kong pic into Venom...

Funny you say that cause a little while back someone did that exact manip.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Funny you say that cause a little while back someone did that exact manip.

no kidding?
it just hit me now

 

[Hack and Slash]

Cgi

 

[Retroman]

I think its prosthetics that are enhanced with CG.In actual fact this isn't really news. One of the makeup artist mentioned this a year ago.

 

[HCpride]

Prosthetics and puppetry are capable of MUCH more than audiences have been conditioned to realize. Look at the Lycans in Underworld. Look at Doc Ock's tentacles in SM2. The only way Venom will have any real presence is if he's done practically, with a small amount of CG when absolutely necessary(when he's transforming, etc.).

Bottom line, Venom is shaped like a human being. He walks upright, has two legs, two arms, and a head. There's no reason to make him CGI. That's the mistake they made with The Hulk. And don't give me any of that "there's no person in the world big enough to play him" stuff. They can make muscle bodysuits that look totally realistic and are entirely flexible. Example? Mr. Hyde from League of Extaordinary Gentlemen. Heck, there's also a deleted scene on the Scary Movie 3 dvd with Charlie Sheen made up as the Hulk with prosthetics, and it puts the actual Hulk movie to shame.

i agree with this
and i remember hearing somewhere that his tongue was gonna be the only cgi part, just to make it realistic moving

 

[Grobb]

I think what he meant with combination was the mocap process in which they cgi'd davy on top of bill nighty's performance.

Amen bro

 

[biohalin]

well, if you watch the trailer at the comic-con, you would be surprised. Even though i havent seen it at the comic-con, i did see the blurry version, and from the looks of it, it seems like he is exactly like the one from the comic book just rendered in 3D. Once again, this isnt the complete FX work on the movie, so i suppose that venom will look part human, not entrirely monster like hulk. Would you guys want him to be like HULK?

 

[superkong 500]

well, if you watch the trailer at the comic-con, you would be surprised. Even though i havent seen it at the comic-con, i did see the blurry version, and from the looks of it, it seems like he is exactly like the one from the comic book just rendered in 3D. Once again, this isnt the complete FX work on the movie, so i suppose that venom will look part human, not entrirely monster like hulk. Would you guys want him to be like HULK?

What exactly do you mean by part human? do you mean the actor with make-up on him? please specify

 

[Parquagh]

I hope its 60% CGI and 40% Prosthetics

 

[Fran]

He wasnt denying it. Bill acted his parts out.

thank you red x for proving my point.
im not denying it.
usa today had a story on it.

quit jumping to conclusions eddie brock jr.

 

[paulyfknt90]

haha are you kidding me, John Knoll ILM VFX supervisor said it was all CGI on cgtalk.com and the article on VFXworld.com also said he was all CGI.

neva read those. srry didnt know

i thought that bill was in a suit and they did cgi only on the head and the arms, they did an amzing job on the cgi than cuz i thought it was real.

 

[Eddie Brock]

neva read those. srry didnt know

i thought that bill was in a suit and they did cgi only on the head and the arms, they did an amzing job on the cgi than cuz i thought it was real.

just goes to show, Venom can get away with it...

 

[Fran]

neva read those. srry didnt know

i thought that bill was in a suit and they did cgi only on the head and the arms, they did an amzing job on the cgi than cuz i thought it was real.

bill wore a grey mo-cap suit, and had green mo-cap makeup on his eyes and mouth, and had reference points all over his face for the tentacles to be put in later.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-07-16-pirates-fx_x.htm

 

[Eddie Brock]

bill wore a grey mo-cap suit, and had green mo-cap makeup on his eyes and mouth, and had reference points all over his face for the tentacles to be put in later.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-07-16-pirates-fx_x.htm

yes, but he was still all CGI
that article even says it

 

[Fran]

well, you made it sound like there was no nighy to act at all.

it was just a misunderstanding.

 

[Eddie Brock]

well, you made it sound like there was no nighy to act at all.

it was just a misunderstanding.

no, i just mean that he was only used for voice and as a guideline for the CG

 

[Fran]

no, i just mean that he was only used for voice and as a guideline for the CG

yeah, but he was acting the part as well..
..and a fine job he did.