Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - Part 17

[R_Hythlodeus]

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Some were side characters, but Storm, Iceman, Kitty, Magneto and Xavier were not. Even Colossus wasn't unknown. The climax of DOFP was more emotional than ANYTHING the MCU has served up thus far.

if you say so, good for you. knowing that their deaths are meaningless by the time Logan fulfills his mission, they felt more like pretentious Action sequences to me. but hey, it worked for you, so at least somebody had fun

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This thread is the most entertaining it's been since.... ever.

 

[Samuron]

Can no one save us from this relentless onslaught of enjoyable, well-reviewed, successful films?

 

[BoredGuy]

WOW
So much salt in this thread!!

1. Avengers was amazing, y'all crazy. There's a reason it made like 2 billion dollars. Are some things uneven, the villain army kinda weak, and the cinematogrophy not that pretty? Sure, but it was still amazing. The humor, the action, the interplay of the Characters. Come talk to me when either Fox or WB/DC pulls off anything nearly as good with a team film. Oh that's right, that'll NEVER happen.

2. DR Strange wasn't gunna set the world on fire, but was a solid set up for the character, and as others have said, the creative third act really helped elevate it a bit over some other origin movies. We'll see if Wonder Woman gets a 90%

3. DOFP is overrated as hell imo, all exposition and poorly defined time-travel rules and underdeveloped characters and dark visuals and NO GODDAMN WOLVERINE FIGHTING A SENTINEL. And First Class is even more overrated.

TWS, GOTG, CW, Iron Man, Avengers are all better than anything without Chris Nolan's name in front of it (and even a couple of those).

Some were side characters, but Storm, Iceman, Kitty, Magneto and Xavier were not. Even Colossus wasn't unknown. The climax of DOFP was more emotional than ANYTHING the MCU has served up thus far.

Agree to disagree
Outside of Mags and Xavier, all those characters were tragically underdeveloped in every X-film...and how is it emotional when you know it will all be reset by time travel?
I found Stark Vs Rogers in CW to be way more heart-wrenching

Can no one save us from this relentless onslaught of enjoyable, well-reviewed, successful films?

 

[The Joker]

how is it emotional when you know it will all be reset by time travel?

Some of the best most emotional stories are dreams or what if scenarios. Knowing that it will all work out in the end doesn't lessen the emotional impact of seeing what might be.

For example one of the best Batman stories ever is the episode called 'Over the edge' in BTAS. Whole episode is just Batgirl having a nightmare about what would happen if she died on the job as Batgirl, Gordon blamed Batman for it, and went on a revenge vendetta to take him down. Brilliant heart wrenching episode, but all just a dream. Still doesn't lessen the impact every time I watch it.

Same with the episode 'Perchance to dream', where Mad Hatter has Batman in dream land imagining his parents were still alive and he was engaged to Selina Kyle, and living a normal Batman free life.

 

[Erzengel]

Over the Edge, the first time I watched, I didn't know it was necessarily a dream.

DOFP, I knew that the future was going to be reset as soon as I heard the premise. The only thing I didn't know but hoped was that they would bring back Cyclops and Jean.

But my biggest problem is the prioritization of characters like Mystique, which as well done as the ending of DOFP was, it's more for it's story then it's action of a brief Sentinel fight and Magneto taking care of Wolverine....again. Personally, I'd take the climaxes of either TWS or CW. I found that more captivating.

 

[AlluAllu]

I personally find this discussion little sad because I just love both mcu and good X-Men films. Imo nothing in mcu is as heartwarming as the meeting of two Xaviers, but mcu has insanely entertaining roster of charming characters. They are both good, in different ways.

 

[TeeKay]

Edge of tomorrow was the best Time travel movie I've seen I'm years.

 

[BoredGuy]

Some of the best most emotional stories are dreams or what if scenarios. Knowing that it will all work out in the end doesn't lessen the emotional impact of seeing what might be.

That's true, there are some great dream/nightmare/timetravel/elseworld stories out there

but if those movies/episodes started with the characters going to sleep and thus you knew 100% it was a dream, than would a side character who had one line dying really be all that impactful?? Not only do you know they are fine, but they also had no emotional connection to the story on account of being so minor. A character reliving the death of their parents or something to that effect can be emotional and sad, but Colossus or Iceman or even Storm, who were practically non-characters, dying? Idk, didn't get to me in the least

 

[Samuron]

Actually, a really good film can bring the dramatic tension even when the outcome is 100% certain, but it's rare.

The best example I can think of is Apollo 13. You knew (or should have known) that they make it back safely; and yet, during the blackout sequence, I still see people on the edge of their seats.

But that was Howard & Hanks with a hell of a supporting team; as I said, it's rare.

 

[Ivan Drago]

by far. even with all of Vaughn's blatant misogyny and those stupid X-Kids, it's a way better crafted movie

This statement genuinely perplexes me, and I like first class well enough (though it is overrated by some).

First Class is one of the cheapest looking 160 million dollar movies I've ever seen. The visual effects and action scenes look made for TV, and the makeup looks pretty cheap as well. The prosthetic work on Beast is unforgivably bad.

The future action scenes in DOFP+Quicksilver scene blow away anything I can think of in First Class.

I swear people put First Class on this high pedestal because of the director, not because of the actual movie itself.

 

[TeeKay]

So what? Avengers looked like a TV movie but that didn't stop it from being a genuinely good movie. Same goes for FC. Aesthetic aside, the story, characters and plot were good to great. That matters most. Substance over style.

 

[Erzengel]

I think the X-Men First Class battle scene between the X-Men and Brotherhood is the best group battle scene in the X-Men Universe not including Sentinels. I know that is very specific

 

[2kt09]

I swear people put First Class on this high pedestal because of the director, not because of the actual movie itself.

Abso-frickin'-lutely

I like it for McAvoy, Fassbender, and to a lesser extent Bacon, but it feels so awkward for me to want to rewatch it.

He did the spy flick homage way better with Kingsman.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I've said this before, but I think First Class is about half of a great movie. The score is excellent. Erik's revenge mission in the first act was fantastic. Anything with Erik and Charles interacting was great too.

But then there's like... the cringiest supporting cast of teenage superheroes of any X-Men film with some of the worst dialogue and a complete waste of Emma Frost. All the bits with the actual First Class were pretty much terrible. And January Jones may have looked the part (and have a name like a Stan Lee character) but she was an awful Emma Frost. They could have replaced her with a store dummy and it would have had more character.

Outside of Magneto, Charles, and Kevin Bacon, the movie can be downright mediocre and forgettable.

 

[TeeKay]

The stuff with the teens was hit or miss buy overall the movie is packaged beautifully especially the 3rd act.

 

[BoredGuy]

I thought Bacon was f**ing atrocious too

 

[Zarex]

Bacon, both the actor and the meat product, always delivers.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

This statement genuinely perplexes me, and I like first class well enough (though it is overrated by some).

First Class is one of the cheapest looking 160 million dollar movies I've ever seen. The visual effects and action scenes look made for TV, and the makeup looks pretty cheap as well. The prosthetic work on Beast is unforgivably bad.

The future action scenes in DOFP+Quicksilver scene blow away anything I can think of in First Class.

I swear people put First Class on this high pedestal because of the director, not because of the actual movie itself.

Dude, so much this

It's even more baffling when people claim it has great cinematography and a great visual style

I REALLY like First Class but it shouldn't be praised more than it deserves, it's certainly not the best movie of that universe.

WOW
3. DOFP is overrated as hell imo, all exposition and poorly defined time-travel rules and underdeveloped characters and dark visuals and NO GODDAMN WOLVERINE FIGHTING A SENTINEL. And First Class is even more overrated.

The time-travel rules couldn't have been more clear unless you didn't pay attention.

TWS, GOTG, CW, Iron Man, Avengers are all better than anything without Chris Nolan's name in front of it (and even a couple of those)

None of those is better than Spider-Man 2, the only one that comes close is TWS. The X-Men trifecta(X2, FC and DOFP) is on the same league/above the those movies you mention.

I personally find this discussion little sad because I just love both mcu and good X-Men films. Imo nothing in mcu is as heartwarming as the meeting of two Xaviers, but mcu has insanely entertaining roster of charming characters. They are both good, in different ways.

Agreed, I love both universes and each has some amazing movies. The problem is that I think fans of either side tend to be a little unfair towards the other.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Some of the best most emotional stories are dreams or what if scenarios. Knowing that it will all work out in the end doesn't lessen the emotional impact of seeing what might be.

For example one of the best Batman stories ever is the episode called 'Over the edge' in BTAS. Whole episode is just Batgirl having a nightmare about what would happen if she died on the job as Batgirl, Gordon blamed Batman for it, and went on a revenge vendetta to take him down. Brilliant heart wrenching episode, but all just a dream. Still doesn't lessen the impact every time I watch it.

Same with the episode 'Perchance to dream', where Mad Hatter has Batman in dream land imagining his parents were still alive and he was engaged to Selina Kyle, and living a normal Batman free life.

Exactly, Jean's 'death' in X2, even though I knew she was coming I got back, has me on the verge of tears every time. Especially when I first saw the movie, but I even re watched it recently and it's still an emotional gut punch, despite knowing she comes back. I don't see how that lessens the impact. Jeans death in X2 again is a brilliant emotional moment very few CBMs have been able to match. DOFP was one of those few IMO.

 

[Samuron]

I thought Bacon was f**ing atrocious too

Have to agree; he's one of my favorite actors, but he simply did not work as Shaw for me. He didn't even seem like he was into the role.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This statement genuinely perplexes me, and I like first class well enough (though it is overrated by some).

First Class is one of the cheapest looking 160 million dollar movies I've ever seen. The visual effects and action scenes look made for TV, and the makeup looks pretty cheap as well. The prosthetic work on Beast is unforgivably bad.

The future action scenes in DOFP+Quicksilver scene blow away anything I can think of in First Class.

I swear people put First Class on this high pedestal because of the director, not because of the actual movie itself.

The character work is second to none. There isn't a relationship in the X-Men movies so far to rival Charles and Erik in the film. Also it is actually the only X-Men flick to explore that relationship and not feel like a retread. There also isn't a better scene then the confrontation with Shaw imo.

And if First Class looks cheap, what the heck does Apocalypse look like?

 

[First Avenger]

Man,it sucks so much to have all this good and great comic book movies, oh the horror.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

And if First Class looks cheap, what the heck does Apocalypse look like?

A decade old.

Man,it sucks so much to have all this good and great comic book movies, oh the horror.

Of course it sucks, we need more movies like these classics.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Man,it sucks so much to have all this good and great comic book movies, oh the horror.

Yeah, I don't get the complaints. I mean I do in general because a lot of people simply don't like or don't have any particular affinity for CBMs. I mean here. It is called Superhero Hype. Why are you even here if you don't want more superhero movies?