Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - Part 17

[GeckoMoria]

marvel is very hit or miss as well.

Marvel is the definition of consistency for years now constantly releasing good/great movies with much fewer efforts and years between films than their competition. This is the general consensus.

Calling Marvel of all companies hit or miss is laughable at best.

 

[The Endless]

Marvels consistency is unprecedented really. They've surpassed Pixar.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

One thing I've always noticed is how there are very few fans of characters in the MCU that dislike the MCU. The vast, vast majority of the complaints come from people who either don't like CBMs in general or are fans of non-MCU characters (X-Men, DC, etc.).

That's very telling. It means they are pleasing their fanbase.

Compare that to DC where you go to their boards and there are a bunch of people with Batman and Joker avatars bashing those films.

You never see someone say "I'm a huge Captain America fan but I hate that Chris Evans version" or something similar.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The character work is second to none. There isn't a relationship in the X-Men movies so far to rival Charles and Erik in the film. Also it is actually the only X-Men flick to explore that relationship and not feel like a retread. There also isn't a better scene then the confrontation with Shaw imo.

And if First Class looks cheap, what the heck does Apocalypse look like?

I never mentioned Apocalypse at all. That movie looks pretty ugly too, with unfinished looking visual effects. I was comparing DOFP to first class.

And I agree with you, where First Class shines is when it focus on the relationship between Eric and Charles. Where the movie falters is all the actual bits with the "first class" crew. I feel like people who say this is the best x-men movie, only remember the great Magneto moments, and block out the not so good stuff.

The confrontation with Shaw is great, but nah it's not the best scene in the series. The Charles X Charles scene in DOFP was the best scene of the entire series. Not to mention it was an extremely novel use of telepathy and time travel

 

[Ivan Drago]

Marvels consistency is unprecedented really. They've surpassed Pixar.

Kevin Feige da gawd.

 

[The Endless]

I love Nazi hunter Magneto and his relationship with Charles in First Class. Shaw is a great villain. The way it uses the Cuban Missile Crisis is cool.

But ugh... every scene with the kids is literally cringe worthy. The part where they are coming up with their code names is soooo bad. Honestly I was squirming in my seat, it made me feel embarrassed for some reason.

 

[Chesterfield]

Laughing at all the MCU haters. Ya'll got actual problems to be concerned with and worried about. Imagine, we live in an age where GoTg vol.2 may and likely will be a bigger, better and more successful film than the Justice League movie. Think about that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One thing I've always noticed is how there are very few fans of characters in the MCU that dislike the MCU. The vast, vast majority of the complaints come from people who either don't like CBMs in general or are fans of non-MCU characters (X-Men, DC, etc.).

That's very telling. It means they are pleasing their fanbase.

Compare that to DC where you go to their boards and there are a bunch of people with Batman and Joker avatars bashing those films.

You never see someone say "I'm a huge Captain America fan but I hate that Chris Evans version" or something similar.

Well it helps that Marvel always gets it's casting spot on. Especially with the heroes. There were actually a lot of complaints when Evans was originally cast believe it or not.

But with people like RDJ, Cumberbatch, Ritter and Bernthal, you knew it was spot on casting before even seeing them in the role. Marvel is gold with its hero casting.

 

[GeckoMoria]

This isn't hating. People give arguments and construct points. Even those who said they prefer other movies acknowledged that MCU has some really good ones. So don't get offended.

Some remarks however like the one i addressed are among the most ridiculous and absurd that i have seen on those threads. And i have seen a lot of things...

 

[Zarex]

One thing I've always noticed is how there are very few fans of characters in the MCU that dislike the MCU. The vast, vast majority of the complaints come from people who either don't like CBMs in general or are fans of non-MCU characters (X-Men, DC, etc.).

That's very telling. It means they are pleasing their fanbase.

Compare that to DC where you go to their boards and there are a bunch of people with Batman and Joker avatars bashing those films.

You never see someone say "I'm a huge Captain America fan but I hate that Chris Evans version" or something similar.

I would put the "Fanboy Satisfaction Index" at around 90% for the MCU, 70% for the FOX Men and 40% for the DCEU. And negative infinity for the FOX FF franchise.

 

[First Avenger]

X2,First Class,Days of Future Past,Deadpool and Logan are all great and there's no question about it,but calling any MCU movie utter **** to me is totally wrong when you get movies like F4,XMO,BvS or SS. Heck, many people hate SM3,X3,MoS, TASM2 or Apocalypse and I wouldn't call them utter ****.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would put the "Fanboy Satisfaction Index" at around 90% for the MCU, 70% for the FOX Men and 40% for the DCEU. And negative infinity for the FOX FF franchise.

That's sounds pretty spot on to me. Though Chiklis and Evans were good in their FF roles.

 

[Ivan Drago]

You know what's funny about the MCU though? I really enjoy all the movies, and I like the excitement before the movies come out and finally getting to see them in theaters.

Yet most of them rarely stick with me. I'll see them 2-3 times, and after that the movie just loses it's appeal for me. There's a few exceptions to the rule, like The Avengers, Winter Soldier, and Iron man 1. Everything else is just "fine" for me.

While I think there's plenty of enjoyable cbm's out there, I would only call a few great.

I dunno, maybe I've just become really jaded, the superhero genre has gotten a bit stale for me.

 

[Sithborg]

That's kind of where I am. I don't hate the MCU, it just doesn't do much for me. I recognize the films aren't bad, but I am not excited for the next one. The last one I was excited for was Ant-man when Wright was still directing, immediately lost all interest once he left.

I'm not sure what it says when I enjoyed Apocalypse more than Dr. Strange.

 

[Zarex]

I'm not sure what it says when I enjoyed Apocalypse more than Dr. Strange.

You prefer the X-Men characters?

 

[Link]

Yeah, I don't get the complaints. I mean I do in general because a lot of people simply don't like or don't have any particular affinity for CBMs. I mean here. It is called Superhero Hype. Why are you even here if you don't want more superhero movies?

It's a lively conversation here, and everyone seems to enjoy different kind of superhero films. Isn't that good? You just sound like you are trying to kill the conversation because you don't like the criticism. I think every franchise is good for criticism, even the MCU. As a fan of all the studios working on these films these days, I think it's important to compare the work and argue about it. There's so many superhero films now, and the only thing that ensures the studios upping their game is good competition.

Which gets me to my second point, it's funny how the DCEU isn't even part of this conversation anymore. God, if WW and JL don't deliver on being even watchable, I'm ready to give up on the whole damn franchise.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Edit

 

[OutOfBoose]

"Only" Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers truly stick with me. I also really like TWS, CW and AoU. The rest of MCU is forgettable. Yes, I know there's also Iron Man, really good film, but I was never affected by it, and after all these new films I care about it even less.

I'm surprised how quickly Strange lost it's appeal in my book.

 

[GeckoMoria]

I haven't had a DC movie stuck with me since Dark Knight. God, that's a longgggg time... As for Fox? DOFP. That's also a while back. I don't know what that says about both studios.

 

[Ivan Drago]

TDK is head and shoulders above every other comic book movie.

The only cbm I'm excited for this year is Logan. Not trying to overhype it but everything I'm hearing sounds like it might be my favorite cbm since TDK.

I look forward to watching all the other comicbook movies this year (even Snyder's justice league), but I don't expect any of them to leave a lasting impression on me.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah Logan has a lot of positive buzz. I'd never have thought a Wolverine solo had the potential to be the best CBM of the year after the previous two. Just goes to show what you can do when you put in the effort.

 

[Link]

Yeah Logan has a lot of positive buzz. I'd never have thought a Wolverine solo had the potential to be the best CBM of the year after the previous two. Just goes to show what you can do when you put in the effort.

True, and also shows what is the best case scenario when a studio gives free hands to a super good director who is also a fan. Jackman took a budget cut to ensure that creative freedom, they really made that movie with love.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I still like The Wolverine. One of the better x-men movies for me, but I'm glad Mangold seemingly knocked it out of the park with this one (I'm a fan of his other movies too).

 

[Erzengel]

I'm planning on seeing Logan next week but more for the positive reviews than anything. I could have waited for Netflix if it got mediocre reviews. I've stated before that the X-Men universe is too Wolverine saturated.

 

[Consona]

My problem with Dr. Strange was it was "just another MCU film" that did not try anything different or interesting. The protagonist, the villain problems, the story, the humour, an hour in and I was so bored. I remember being surprised by that and talking to myself in my head "wow, I'm really not enjoying this, I hope they'll bring something different than more punching and running around", they did not. So underwritten film on like all fronts.
While Civil War was one of the best MCU films, Dr Strange was one of the worst.

X:Apocalypse had its moments but the flow and the finale were not good.