Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[writer0327]

i think the GA don't give a ***** about continuity. they just want good movie and have fun.

Disagree. The GA knows this is an ongoing series. They want to know how the dots are all connected.

 

[Zant]

I doubt any bridges were burnt. Joss apologized last April for some of his more biting comments made when he was in the throes of exhaustion from making A:AOU. And with Marvel Studios under new management - it was rumored that Whedon's battles were with the now defunct Creative Committee - I could see him working with with Feige in the future. Especially if "Batgirl" is put on the back burner for the "Etta Candy: Origins" movie that is sure to be announced if Wondy is a big hit.

I think bridges were burnt. If Marvel still wanted Whedon around, they could have easily kept him in the family and set up as a producer or director. Jon Favreau was dropped from Iron man 3, yet he is still involved in some way and is directing Disney flicks. Seems like they did not want Whedon around and now WB has come calling.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Being an antagonist does not make you a villain. And my point is not who is the protagonist, I am saying who had the better, more important role.

Even if you disagree--which I suspect everyone probably will--the point isn't who is the protagonist. Chief Brody has more screen time than anyone in Jaws; I'd argue Quint is the better character; if you want to make it about villains, then the Joker has less than half the screen time of Batman in The Dark Knight, and Anton Chigurh is probably only in about 30 to 40 percent of No Country for Old Men, and he is clearly the antagonist. But let us not pretend Josh Brolin got the better role.

I see what you are saying, but I just do not agree. Stark had a sexy role. I will not argue this. But, Cap also had a sexy role. Difference is it is easier to see it for Stark cause he is very loud and expressive, Cap is not therefore his struggles are more subtle. But that does not mean Cap was not a sexy role.

 

[Zarex]

I think bridges were burnt. If Marvel still wanted Whedon around, they could have easily kept him in the family and set up as a producer or director. Jon Favreau was dropped from Iron man 3, yet he is still involved in some way and is directing Disney flicks. Seems like they did not want Whedon around and now WB has come calling.

That "bridges were burnt" rumor was widely spread about Favreau after IM2. He and Feige hated each other, he would never work for Marvel again....and it turned out not to be true. He kept working in an advisory role behind the scenes and in front of the camera in IM3 and the Spidey reboot.

In addition to advising on the production of all of Marvel Studios' Phase II films, Joss also did the work of (what now requires) four men in writing and directing two Avengers flicks. He chose to make a clean break from what was an extremely demanding position. I've seen no evidence to suggest that Whedon is no longer welcome back in the MCU.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Whedon mentioned being open to tackling another DC film back when he was doing press for AOU.

 

[Predator jp]

Disagree. The GA knows this is an ongoing series. They want to know how the dots are all connected.

oh sure they know.
i just think they don't mind some inconsistencies in continuity.
Fox-Men has tons of them but people don't care much.

 

[Mandon Knight]

GA don't give a flying F to any comic lore or how the world connects, to them, its a Superman film, a Batman film, a WW film etc. They turn up, see a story, see some action, as long as they feel entertained, they're all good.

 

[Zant]

That "bridges were burnt" rumor was widely spread about Favreau after IM2. He and Feige hated each other, he would never work for Marvel again....and it turned out not to be true. He kept working in an advisory role behind the scenes and in front of the camera in IM3 and the Spidey reboot.

In addition to advising on the production of all of Marvel Studios' Phase II films, Joss also did the work of (what now requires) four men in writing and directing two Avengers flicks. He chose to make a clean break from what was an extremely demanding position. I've seen no evidence to suggest that Whedon is no longer welcome back in the MCU.

The point is Favreau was always around even after Ironman 2, Its like he never left. I'm sure Whedon needed rest, but he is back now and he decides to go for WB/DC. This is a guy who gave Marvel their highest grossing film. Its like Chris Nolan doing Marvel film a few years after TDKR. WB kept Nolan in the family.

Lets not forget he had a bad experience with WB over that Wonder Woman film that was in development. Its telling that he would choose to go back to them and you just know WB will want to keep him after Batgirl.

 

[Kev4000]

Whedon betrays Marvel and goes to DC hurts my feelings I have to say..

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I just think the AOU soured his film making taste across the board, I personally would have thought with WB not having any 'one' individual in a Feige-esque status, it's more of a team collaborative view as far as I can gather, he'll feel freer to express opinion etc. and if anyone can write dialogue required for this character it's Wheedon.

Are we back to pretending DCEU is a director driven studio in terms of superheroes?

 

[InCali]

Are we back to pretending DCEU is a director driven studio in terms of superheroes?

Collaboration or interference? Collaboration works when people know what the hell they're doing.

 

[Sithborg]

Are we back to pretending DCEU is a director driven studio in terms of superheroes?

But Whedon/Vaughn/Reeves are DIFFERENT!!!!

 

[Flint Marko]

I wonder what project WB will announce tomorrow?

 

[Sithborg]

I wonder what project WB will announce tomorrow?

Alfred origin movie.

 

[Greens]

Alfred origin movie.

 

[TeeKay]

If Whedon wanted to stay on for Avengers 3 & 4 he'd have stayed on. He's one of the significant reasons why the Avengers was a success. The rumour that he burnt bridges is bs especially after steering the Phase 2 ship.

 

[Zant]

If Whedon wanted to stay on for Avengers 3 & 4 he'd have stayed on. He's one of the significant reasons why the Avengers was a success. The rumour that he burnt bridges is bs especially after steering the Phase 2 ship.

Phase 2 ended with AOU, which is when the rift started.

It does not matter, Marvel have the Russo bros right? well, for now anyways.

 

[Flint Marko]

Grasp for those straws.

 

[Moridin]

I think bridges were burnt. If Marvel still wanted Whedon around, they could have easily kept him in the family and set up as a producer or director. Jon Favreau was dropped from Iron man 3, yet he is still involved in some way and is directing Disney flicks. Seems like they did not want Whedon around and now WB has come calling.

The point is Favreau was always around even after Ironman 2, Its like he never left. I'm sure Whedon needed rest, but he is back now and he decides to go for WB/DC. This is a guy who gave Marvel their highest grossing film. Its like Chris Nolan doing Marvel film a few years after TDKR. WB kept Nolan in the family.

Lets not forget he had a bad experience with WB over that Wonder Woman film that was in development. Its telling that he would choose to go back to them and you just know WB will want to keep him after Batgirl.

If Whedon wanted to stick around Marvel would have snapped him up in a heartbeat. The fact that he visibly looked exhausted upon release of AoU combined with the fact he hasn't worked in 2 years points to him simply wanting to take a break. Staying on at Marvel producing/consulting on blockbusters is not taking a break.

There's also the fact that Marvel's slate is booked through 2019, there actually isn't any work for him at Marvel right now. Do you expect either should wait around for the other?

Phase 2 ended with AOU, which is when the rift started.

It does not matter, Marvel have the Russo bros right? well, for now anyways.

Phase 2 ended with AoU, which is when Whedon's contract for all things MCU ended. He isn't beholden to any studio. Any director can potentially work with any studio, none are locked up at one place for life.

 

[Flint Marko]

So let's look at that upcoming DC slate:

Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
The Flash
The Batman
Justice League Pt. 2
Cyborg
Green Lantern Corps
Dark Universe
Shazam
Gotham City Sirens
Man of Steel 2
Black Adam
Suicide Squad 2
Deadshot
Nightwing
Batgirl

Anything I'm missing?

 

[Erzengel]

Aren't they talking about 2 Black Adam movies? Or is the sequel potentially, Shazam?

 

[Zarex]

Phase 2 ended with AOU, which is when the rift started.

It does not matter, Marvel have the Russo bros right? well, for now anyways.

This isn't an Alan Taylor situation. Whedon had some mildly critical things to say about the old Marvel Studios regime on a podcast after AOU was released and apologized for those remarks last year. The regime has changed and the Russos have stated that the creative environment has greatly improved. Again, there is absolutely zero evidence of a rift other than what you have formulated in your own mind.

I'm sure the Russos will move on after Avengers 3 and 4. Maybe one of the MCUs recently hired hacks, Waitiki and Coogler, could pick up the ball.

 

[Spidey_62]

So let's look at that upcoming DC slate:

Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
The Flash
The Batman
Justice League Pt. 2
Cyborg
Green Lantern Corps
Dark Universe
Shazam
Gotham City Sirens
Man of Steel 2
Black Adam
Suicide Squad 2
Deadshot
Nightwing
Batgirl

Anything I'm missing?

Oh my. Well, at least they have ambition?

 

[Zarex]

So let's look at that upcoming DC slate:

Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
The Flash
The Batman
Justice League Pt. 2
Cyborg
Green Lantern Corps
Dark Universe
Shazam
Gotham City Sirens
Man of Steel 2
Black Adam
Suicide Squad 2
Deadshot
Nightwing
Batgirl

Anything I'm missing?

How can you forget Berlanti's Booster Gold?

 

[Flint Marko]

How can you forget Berlanti's Booster Gold?

I never would have remembered that one, thanks.

Bolding the ones that I don't think will happen:

Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
The Flash
The Batman
Justice League Pt. 2
Cyborg
Green Lantern Corps
Dark Universe
Booster Gold
Shazam
Gotham City Sirens
Man of Steel 2
Black Adam
Suicide Squad 2
Deadshot
Nightwing
Batgirl