The Joker
The Clown Prince of Crime
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Not the genius we wanted him to be.
He wasn't anything we wanted him to be. Terrible villain through and through.
There were a number of other differences as well.
Stark had received a vision of the future in which the world was destroyed by aliens, so there was also (at least in his view) a lot of risk in not doing it.
Stark was also very experienced in the field, having already created at least two advanced AIs in JARVIS and FRIDAY without issue.
Ultron becoming self-aware on its own, when it did, and when Stark and Banner weren't even present was a complete surprise and not something that could have been easily foreseen.
Similarily, Ultron being able to completely overwhelm and destroy JARVIS (the most advanced AI on the planet at that point) in seconds was a complete surprise.
Stark definitely knew their were risks (he and Banner discuss it earlier), but they ultimately felt the risk-reward was in their favor and there was a reasonable assumption that if things went wrong that Ultron could be shut down. It was really the speed and timing at which everything happened that completely caught them off-guard.
That's not the same as the Doomsday situation at all.
Not that Stark didn't screw up. He absolutely should have gotten approval rather than just messing around with alien tech in secret. But I think it is fair to say that Stark ends up paying for his decision. The one part that does kind of bug me is how Stark ends up getting all the blame, even though Banner was involved too. It seems that Banner gets off easy, both in-universe and from the fandom.
I'm not missing anything. You're simply making up numbers and deciding for yourself, with no real world basis, which scenario is more likely to put the villain's life in danger.
First off all, like i said before, if Lex created the monster is because he thought he could control it. Now you can ask "How did he know he could control it? Where did he get that from?". And the answer would be: from the same source he got the knowledge to build Doomsday. That's the only logical answer.
Now, there's always a chance that the monster could turn against him. And it did. I just don't see how you determine that that chance is higher than the chance of a man with 4 tentacles climbing buildings getting shot by the police. You just can't do it because you don't have real life examples. Like i said, you're making up numbers. To me both plans are extremely risky. What's the point of trying to decide which one is more risky? Does it change anything? The chances of something going wrong are extremely high in both situations.
Of course you are. How am I making up numbers? The movie explicitly states Superman has the power to destroy earth. Another kryptonian creature than can kill Superman therefore has the same power. Fact, not opinion. Logic.
You keep saying Lex created this monster because he thought he could control it but we are given no reason to believe this. Why should he think he could control it? Because his DNA is in it? How does that work exactly? If a normal human can control an alien monster, then there has to be an explicit reason why, and the movie offers none, ergo he couldn't control it, and we are given no reason to believe he can.
Which means he created something that could finish him off as well as the rest of humanity. Which means he willingly signed his own death warrant. Which makes him a first class idiot.
Comparing someone who willingly enacts a plan that guarantees his own doom, when we are given no reason to believe he is suicidal for his cause, or wants mankind wiped out either, to a guy who wears a Goblin suit, or four tentacles on his back is laughable. Your whole argument has no merit and is one weak strawman.
Exactly. For comparison, we know characters like Dr. Octopus and Zemo were suicidal because they actually tried to commit suicide. That's pretty tangible.
Also a good point.
But..but, you gotta watch the deleted scenes, read the extended universe comic books, wikis, novelizations, toys, porn to get the whole picture man.