"Cinematic Pedigree": Can FF2 Overcome The Cons?

[TripleF]

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Can't you ban him for stupidity?


Really dude, did ya not see the big red name on the first post? lmao

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Can't you ban him for stupidity?


Really dude, did ya not see the big red name on the first post? lmao

But to be fair you have too look at his name. Its 2005 all over again.

 

[TripleF]

But to be fair you have too look at his name. Its 2005 all over again.

Because of one post? damn you're touchy

 

[Hunter Rider]

JAL you know him from the wrestling thread,he is always like that no matter what,he has never made one sensical post yet anywhere

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Because of one post? damn you're touchy

It's a dog eat dog world on the hype. Especally in this section.

 

[TripleF]

It's a dog eat dog world on the hype. Especally in this section.

Nah, show alittle respect and it'll be ALL GOOD.

Have a good laugh at little boys like batty up there, and leave it at that.

 

[gambitfire]

Mod's need to start keeping a close eye on stupidity, it seems to be overrunning the hype.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's a dog eat dog world on the hype. Especally in this section.

Dogs can be struck by lightning.

 

[Carp Man]

So the fantastic four beat the critics, something Ewan (Star Wars) Mcgregor could not do.

Now we see why there is a sequel, there is just something strange about this franchise, I just can't pin it down other than to say that Avi and Tim may be on to something with the younger generation.

Also after an exhaustive web search I can't find total DVD sales only first day numbers, what gives.

I think those numbers might be informative, even more so than second week numbers. They represent the lasting impact of the movie in the public's mind I think.

Carp Man HELLLLLLLLLP.

Only thing I could find was 39 million in rentals.

 

[Carp Man]

But to be fair you have too look at his name. Its 2005 all over again.

It has not begun yet. Wait till June 15 th. The goons will be comming out of the woodwork. Only diff will be instead of BB fans, it will be SR fans.

 

[gambitfire]

Dogs can be struck by lightning.

Brilliant!

Now why wheren't you in Boba's review thread earlier?!

 

[Retroman]

Thanks Retro. And thank you for the pros. I've already got a "25 Things Going Right" thread in development, but it won't be released publicly until after the trailer is dropped next month. Who knows--maybe by then the list might swell to 40 or 50. t:

Cool, looking forward to that. Oh and in my post i meant to say that 'i'm still wary' of Don Payne.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Dogs can be struck by lightning.

We wear rubber boots now, you are powerless!

 

[ultimatefan]

If I can try to be on topic, Lightning... Very nice read. As for the questions...

- I believe the filmmakers may be interested in turning a better product, the main problem, as Marvel fans know so awfully, is Fox. Case in point, X3, FF1, and the theatrical cut of Daredevil (the least Elektra is mentioned, the better). But the rush again and hiring the writer from My Super Ex... Not confidence-inspiring.

- There´s Silver Surfer and Galactus is bound to show up, so it´s hard not to be at least a little excited with the possibilities, but then again the FF was always rich in possibilities that were severally wasted the first time...

- There are two big obstacules: one of the tone and style of the first movie, whose commercial success can make it wrongfully look like they can do more of the same shtick and get away with it. The other is Fox again, who can get a perfectly decent character-driven two hour movie and chop it off till it becomes an incoherent mess of stupid jokes and action scenes.

 

[highguard]

Only thing I could find was 39 million in rentals.

Ok guess there must be a reason we can't get ahold of this info.

I will look into it.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

We wear rubber boots now, you are powerless!

Poor, misinformed mortal.

A Dog's body is mostly composed of water--an element which contains electrodes. Electrodes--when charged by lightning--can produce a seismic shock throughout the animal's body leading to cardiac arrest. Rubber components would be inconsequential during such an outcome.

Translation: I. Can. Kill. You.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

There are two big obstacules: one of the tone and style of the first movie, whose commercial success can make it wrongfully look like they can do more of the same shtick and get away with it. The other is Fox again, who can get a perfectly decent character-driven two hour movie and chop it off till it becomes an incoherent mess of stupid jokes and action scenes.

As always Ultimatefan, it is an honor to have you grace my thread with your insight.

I agree; the consumer base can inadvertently send the wrong message to a studio by means of high box office gross. This unwittingly communicates the idea that moviegoers will eat up "anything" that is thrown at them. Such a false impression may lull a studio into complacency, shelling out only the bare minimum "to get by", with hopes of double-dipping later for greater commercial conquest (how much do you want to bet that the Director's Cut for 2005's Fantastic Four will be released shortly before June 2007?). I have a bad feeling that FOX may be in for the rudest awakening ever if they churn out another film on par with the quality of the first film.

Ok guess there must be a reason we can't get ahold of this info.

Indeed! These details are being stored in the same place as the theatrical exit polling figures--which ironically neither we nor the press can get a hold of either.

 

[ultimatefan]

As always Ultimatefan, it is an honor to have you grace my thread with your insight.

I agree; the consumer base can inadvertently send the wrong message to a studio by means of high box office gross. This unwittingly communicates the idea that moviegoers will eat up "anything" that is thrown at them. Such a false impression may lull a studio into complacency, shelling out only the bare minimum "to get by", with hopes of double-dipping later for greater commercial conquest (how much do you want to bet that the Director's Cut for 2005's Fantastic Four will be released shortly before June 2007?). I have a bad feeling that FOX may be in for the rudest awakening ever if they churn out another film on par with the quality of the first film.




Indeed! These details are being stored in the same place as the theatrical exit polling figures--which ironically neither we nor the press can get a hold of either.

It´s always good to have your insight as well.

Yeah, we often saw subpar movies make a big buck at the BO but then fail at the sequel - Charlie´s Angels, Tomb Raider, xXx, etc.

 

[Carp Man]

It´s always good to have your insight as well.

Yeah, we often saw subpar movies make a big buck at the BO but then fail at the sequel - Charlie´s Angels, Tomb Raider, xXx, etc.

Not going to happen with FF 2. Will be bigger, and better. t:

 

[Spider-Fan]

I really think the biggest challenege ahead of them is editing/story. We are adding the Silver Surfer to the mix, and he needs to be developed while not sacrificing the FF at the same time. Also, he needs to be handled in a manner where he and Galactus won't be silly ideas. With the screenwriter from My Super Ex, this may be a problem. I am very concerned with how Galactus is going to look and be handled. Are we going to have him for like two seconds, or are they going to cram the whole Galactus saga in one movie? Again, this needs to be answered. Also, we have to ask whether Doom will truely be better. The crew keeps saying so, but until I see some clips or hear anything about Doom, we won't know what to expect from him.

I am excited to see this movie, however I don't want to see two of my favorite characters (Silver Surfer and Galactus) handled poorly like one of my other favorite characters was last movie (Dr. Doom). I have many more questions with this movie than I do answers.

On the positive side, the Silver Surfer appears to be handled right as far as effects are concerned.

 

[GL1]

The concepts of a good critic reviews swaying the public definitively does seem strangely possible...

Tim Story is the one who demanded Doom have a mask for the first movie and would have had fuller control over finishing touches like the barge to latveria... I have no doubts that Doom will be more faithful to comics... simply none. IF the trailer doesn't show full doom right before "coming June 15" I will be genuinely amazed... they might as well tell me Fox is run by monkeys on typewriters... okay... you're right... that would be as big a surprise.

I'm also very confident on Silver Surfer's portrayal... minus the triangle. This makes Sue THE most wanted woman in the cosmos, with Doom, Surfer, Reed and Namor all pining for her. That's half the defenders, right there! Ha! All she needs to do is woo Strange and and unzip for Banner and she'll be the most well connected female hero in the Marvel (Movie) Universe.

Hmmm... Marvel Movies: The 555 Universe! (Maybe)

I didn't know about the writer, I saw Super Ex myself and it struck me as a movie that painfully missed a dozen opportunities. Looking Just now I see he's accompanied by Mark Frost, who most recently wrote the Greatest Game Ever Played. My worries are more or less alleviated...

Oh, yeah... Galactus.
I expect a redesign on some level. The basics need to be there, the armor changed, updated here and there, keeping the helmet's distinctive design. I'm skeptical of the skin tone being human... I'd go for a non-human shade to emphasize his alienness, but perhaps that's just me.

Because of Galactus' scale and the finalness of his appearance, I would hope that he only finally appears in the last thirty minutes of the Trilogy. The thing that frustrates me about Galactus in comics is that this big planet-eater keeps coming back to earth but somehow Earth is still there... he always fails, it's just insane to me. I say he comes once, he fails once, he never comes back... at least for the movies.

 

[Excel]

here ya go lightning

1.) From what you've heard/read online, do you believe Tim Story & Co. (including the studio) are interested in only A.) making $$$ again--quality be damned, B.) rectifying the first film's wrongs and making a quality film, or C.) a combination of A and B?

A

2.) Have you noted any pros (positive things) for the sequel that could offset the cons?

silver surfers way better then doom.


3.) Name what you think is the biggest obstacle laying in FF2's path, and the solution to overcoming it.

word of mouth from the previous film, and theyd have to establish how this ones different alal batman begins and batman & robin

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

With "cons" as galactically enormous as Frost and Story.....no.


Story is pretty much in over his head, clueless, an embarrassment, etc.
And I'd say the same thing about a white director who was equally inept.
You've got to admit......he's no Raimi/Del Toro.
(so let's not make a scene and act like I'm a racist if I don't admire Tim's direction, K, Lightning Strikez! ?)

Imagine if Uwe Boll directed "House Of The Dead".
Would I then be called an....anti,.....GERMAN......for saying that Uwe gently sucks cow ball while defiling the memory of an ultra-violent video game from the 90's"?!?

I was really excited by one SS pre-pic I saw.

Again, ( I said this before the cinematic crime "Fantastic Four" came out" )
I P.R.A.Y. I can come back to the Hype and make a totally untennable thread about how freaking much I was humbled and amazed by the sequel to the worst, most disrespectful and simply shoddy Marvel film ever made.

In fact,... I'm looking forward to all of you yeah-sayers telling me, "I Told You So".

That would totally rock my stuff.



I.....I have a hunch, that...Silver Surfer is going to be the new Johnny.
Meaning, Human Torch and SS are going to have a few really cool scenes.
They'll make Reed cooler, and make Sue less of a c***......

But really?.....what is the FANTASTIC FOUR without Ben?



I predict that Chiklis will knock it out of the park PERFORMANCE-WISE.....
But he'll LOOKlike a guy in an expensive rubber suit while he's doing it. X 1,000,000

Of course ( Pfff )I'm excited to see the movie.
But......."overcome the cons" ?!?

LMAO.....um.....NO.

 

[Hellmistress]

1.) From what you've heard/read online, do you believe Tim Story & Co. (including the studio) are interested in only A.) making $$$ again--quality be damned, B.) rectifying the first film's wrongs and making a quality film, or C.) a combination of A and B?

A ... totally, completely, utterly, in every sense of the word.

2.) Have you noted any pros (positive things) for the sequel that could offset the cons?

I know I'm biased, but I think Doug's performance as SS will lift this film out of the mire considerably - IF Fox doesn't screw it up.

3.) Name what you think is the biggest obstacle laying in FF2's path, and the solution to overcoming it.

The inability of Fox to trust the subject matter, and controlling everything to the 'n'th degree, including the director. They should take a note out of Del Toro's book and trust the people they employ to do the job well, and also include the fans - the internet is one of the most powerful mediums available today, and buzz DOES matter - and the fans have a part to play.

As an example ... Guillermo involved his fans every inch of the way with HELLBOY and now PAN'S LABYRINTH, and due to the combination of a decent distributor (Picturehouse) and Guillermo's openness with fans and his zeal, we've plugged the crap out of PAN - and it's working. The distribution of the film is far wider than we would have ever expected, and I have good feelings about multi Oscar noms. And don't think we fans and webmasters didn't have a part to play - we have more clout than a lot of the studios give us credit for. I know this film is different (big budget hooey), but the intent is the same.

Fox should wake up and take notice - they'd do better if they did.

HM

 

[Retroman]

The inability of Fox to trust the subject matter, and controlling everything to the 'n'th degree, including the director. They should take a note out of Del Toro's book and trust the people they employ to do the job well, and also include the fans - the internet is one of the most powerful mediums available today, and buzz DOES matter - and the fans have a part to play.

As an example ... Guillermo involved his fans every inch of the way with HELLBOY and now PAN'S LABYRINTH, and due to the combination of a decent distributor (Picturehouse) and Guillermo's openness with fans and his zeal, we've plugged the crap out of PAN - and it's working. The distribution of the film is far wider than we would have ever expected, and I have good feelings about multi Oscar noms. And don't think we fans and webmasters didn't have a part to play - we have more clout than a lot of the studios give us credit for. I know this film is different (big budget hooey), but the intent is the same.

Fox should wake up and take notice - they'd do better if they did.

HM

Thats one of the reasons i love Del Toro.His passion always shines through.Mind you i've only seen 3 of his films; Blade 2, Mimic and Hellboy.