Contest Of Marvels II Discussion Thread

[POWdER-man]

Other X

Keep

Abyss (AoA)
Adam-X
Caliban
Callisto (Pre M-Day)
Captain Britain (Brian Braddock)
Chód
Danielle Moonstar (Pre M-Day)
Deadpool
Domino
Dust
Fantomex
Hellion (Julian)
Jesse Bedlam
Karima Shapandar
Karma
Kylun
Magik (Illyana Rasputin)
Magma
Maverick
Meggan
Meltdown
Mercury
Monet St. Croix
Mondo (AoA)
Multiple Man
Nate Grey (Pre-Shaman)
Penance
Pete Wisdom
Prodigy (Pre M-Day)
Random
Raza
Richter (Pre M-Day)
Rockslide
Shard (Hologram)
Shatterstar
Shola Inkose (Pre M-Day)
Siryn
Skin
Stepford Cuckoos
Strong Guy
Sunspot
Surge
Synch
Wallflower (House of M) - Obviously a strongly offensive version
Warlock (M-Tech)
Warpath
Whither (Pre M-Day)
Wind Dancer (Pre M-Day)
Wolfesbane

Drop

Amelia Voght
Beak
Corsair
Douglock
Elixir
Feral (Pre M-Day)
Gateway
Hepzibah
Ikaris (Josh Guthrie)
Kazar the Savage
Lockheed
Magik(Amanda Sefton)
Shanna the She-Devil (actually she would have beaten Thunderbird (eXiles) if I didn't sabotage her in the second round...
Tag (Pre M-Day)

Potential

Darwin

MOVING

Count Nefaria to X-Villains

 

[Trigger]

Yeah, actually. He's actually a tough guy to beat. If his opponant isn't a strong telepath, then he's a formidable foe. Run them off a cliff, or into an electric fense, or into the ocean. If you get creative with the guy, he can be a real threat. I'd put him fairly high on my list. Grrr... I'm still mad at them just killing him off.

I think he was on the Alpha Flight list, because I remember debating whether I wanted the X-Factor version or the Weapon X version.

LOL, New X-Men has become a slaughter fest, so don't be too surprised to see more favorites bite the dust. I never voted on the Alpha Flight list so I didn't know about the Wild Child debate. I'd also like to note that I edited my list and put Prodigy on the drop list. I checked Nate's bio on uncannyxmen.net, and it does not mention him getting a power boost when he made the transition it his Shaman era. If anything Shaman Nate is just X-man with a new lease on life.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Other X
Abyss
Adam-X
Amelia Voght
Caliban
Callisto
Captain Britain (Brian Braddock)
Chód
Corsair
Count Neferia
Danielle Moonstar
Deadpool
Domino
Dust
Elixir
Fantomex
Feral
Hellion (Julian)
Hepzibah
Ikaris (Jae Guthrie)
Jesse Bedlam
Karima Shapandar
Karma
Kazar the Savage - (I would make this Ka-Zar and Sabu. And, he's still a major B-lister to me in the Marvel Universe. I'd hate to see him not make the list, just because he's been around for so long.)
Kylun
Magik (Amanda Sefton)
Magik (Illyana Rasputin)
Magma
Maverick
Meggan
Meltdown
Mercury
Monet St. Croix
Multiple Man
Nate Grey
Penance
Pete Wisdom
Prodigy (Academy X)
Random
Raza
Richter
Rockslide
Shard
Shatterstar
Shanna the She-Devil - (I say have the Shanna from her last miniseries. She's a classic character, and proved last time she could make it past the first round.)
Shola Inkose
Siryn
Skin
Strong Guy
Sunspot
Surge
Synch
Tag
Wallflower
Warlock (New Mutants)
Warpath
Whither
Wind Dancer
Wolfesbane

Drop:

Beak
Douglock - Don't need this many versions of Warlock.
Gateway
Lockheed
Mondo
Stepford Cuckoos - Too many characters in this singles match
Tag
Prodigy

Potentials:

I'm going to do X-Men and related characters after all the X-Men are done.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

true, but the tournament would suck... and that just wouldn't be worth it

I hate halflings.

 

[Phaedrus45]

bump....we should almost be done. Let's finish this baby up!

 

[POWdER-man]

Other X

Keep
263.Abyss
264.Adam-X
265.Caliban
266.Callisto
267.Captain Britain (Brian Braddock)
268.Chód
269.Danielle Moonstar
270.Deadpool
271.Domino
272.Dust
273.Fantomex
274.Hellion (Julian)
275.Jesse Bedlam
276.Karima Shapandar
277.Karma
278.Kylun
279.Magik (Illyana Rasputin)
280.Magma
281.Maverick
282.Meggan
283.Meltdown
284.Mercury
285.Monet St. Croix
286.Mondo (AoA)
287.Multiple Man
288.Nate Grey (Pre-Shaman)
289.Penance
290.Pete Wisdom
291.Prodigy (Pre M Day)
292.Random
293.Raza
294.Richter (Pre M-Day)
295.Rockslide
296.Shard (Hologram)
297.Shatterstar
298.Shola Inkose(Pre M day)
299.Siryn
300.Skin
301.Strong Guy
302.Sunspot
303.Surge
304.Synch
305.Wallflower(House of M)
306.Warlock (M Tech)
307.Warpath
308.Whither(Pre M Day)
309.Wind Dancer Pre M Day)
310.Wolfesbane

Drop:
64.Amelia Voght
65.Beak
66.Corsair
67.Douglock - Don't need this many versions of Warlock.
68.Elixir
69.Feral
70.Gateway
71.Hepzibah
72.Ikaris (Jae Guthrie)
73.Kazar the Savage
74.Magik (Amanda Sefton)
75.Lockheed
76.Prodigy
77.Shanna She Devil

Potentials
88.Darwin
89.Stepford Cuckoos
90.Tag (Phaed voted to keep and drop so I put him under potential)

 

[POWdER-man]

X-Villains

Azazel
Ahab
Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Bastion
Black Tom Cassidy
Blob
Brainchild
Cameron Hodge
Cassandra Nova
Count Neferia (moved to villains)
Cyber
Dark Beast
Deathbird
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Famine
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Gideon
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Kid Omega
Lady Deathstrike
Legion
Magneto
Mastermind
Mastermold
Mesmero
Mr. Sinister
Mojo
Moses Magnum
Mystique
New Son
Nimrod
Omega Red
Ozymandia
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shadow King
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Toad
Trevor Fitzroy
Tusk
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vanisher
Vargas
Vertigo
Viper
War
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane
Zero


phew second last list.....

 

[JewishHobbit]

YAY!!!! Tag still has a chance to make it in!!!

Anyhow...

X-Villains

Keep

Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Black Tom Cassidy (Pre M-Day)
Blob (Pre M-Day)
Brainchild
Cameron Hodge - Phalanx? X-Tinction Agenda?
Cassandra Nova
Count Neferia
Cyber
Dark Beast
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Gideon
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Kid Omega
Lady Deathstrike
Magneto (Pre M-Day)
Mastermind
Mesmero (Pre M-Day)
Mr. Sinister
Moses Magnum
Mystique
New Son
Nimrod
Omega Red
Ozymandias
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper (Pre M-Day)
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Trevor Fitzroy
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vargas
Vertigo
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane

Drop
Azazel - Powers are too vague
Ahab - Never felt him as a character
Bastion - I'd rather have Nimrod or Mastermold separate
Deathbird - Don't like the character
Famine - If I'm not mistaken, she had to touch you to effect you. Not good enough
Mojo - Lame Factor
Toad - While he's gotten better over the years, he's still lame
Tusk - Not a bad character, but I don't see him advancing
Vanisher - Never liked the character
Viper - Chick with a gun won't get far
Zero - Not a bad character, but hardly offensive

Not Sure
Legion - If we keep him, we should note that he can't time travel, like he learned to do in Legion Quest, resulting in the AoA. So his minds would still have to be split
Mastermold - He just sits there. I never liked him unless he was joined with Nimrod for that one arc
Shadow King - I liked him, but he may be too difficult a foe to defeat. I say keep him.
War - He could clap his hands and create explosions. I don't know if that's good... or if it'd just be considered lame and he'd go out early. Thoughts?

Potentials
Kid Vulcann
Nuke - Or whatever that guy's name from Wolverine Origins' name is?

 

[Trigger]

X-Villains

Keep

Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Black Tom Cassidy (Pre M-Day)
Blob (Pre M-Day)
Brainchild
Cameron Hodge – Prefer the X-tinction Agenda version myself.
Cassandra Nova
Count Neferia
Cyber
Dark Beast
Deathbird- She’s cooler than Tag. ‘Nuff said.
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Famine- Doesn’t Wither need to touch you to effect someone? And Tag, and Rogue, etc.
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Gideon
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Kid Omega
Lady Deathstrike
Legion (Pre-AoA)
Magneto (Pre M-Day)
Mastermind
Mesmero (Pre M-Day)
Mr. Sinister
Moses Magnum
Mystique
New Son
Nimrod
Omega Red
Ozymandias
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper (Pre M-Day)
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shadow King- He’ll do fine against anyone. He’ll give a lot of the characters real competition.
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Trevor Fitzroy
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vargas
Vertigo
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane

Drop
Azazel
Ahab
Bastion
Famine
Mojo
Toad
Tusk
Vanisher – He’d go down faster than a fat person covered in lead balloons.
Viper
Zero
Mastermold- If we got Nimrod then we really don’t need MM


Potentials
Kid Vulcan- His powers haven’t been to developed yet. Easy to abuse if you ask me.
Nuke – If you can’t remember his name, would we be able to get enough info on him in the tournament?
Daimon Hellstorm- Would he be listed under X-men villains? I know he joined the Hellfire Club once.

 

[Trigger]

X-Villains

Keep

Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Black Tom Cassidy (Pre M-Day)
Blob (Pre M-Day)
Brainchild
Cameron Hodge – Prefer the X-tinction Agenda version myself.
Cassandra Nova
Count Neferia
Cyber
Dark Beast
Deathbird- She’s cooler than Tag. ‘Nuff said.
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Famine- Doesn’t Wither need to touch you to effect someone? And Tag, and Rogue, etc.
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Gideon
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Kid Omega
Lady Deathstrike
Legion (Pre-AoA)
Magneto (Pre M-Day)
Mastermind
Mesmero (Pre M-Day)
Mr. Sinister
Moses Magnum
Mystique
New Son
Nimrod
Omega Red
Ozymandias
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper (Pre M-Day)
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shadow King- He’ll do fine against anyone. He’ll give a lot of the characters real competition.
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Trevor Fitzroy
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vargas
Vertigo
War- Another character who could really use the environment to his advantage.
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane

Drop
Azazel
Ahab
Bastion
Famine
Mojo
Toad
Tusk
Vanisher – He’d go down faster than a fat person covered in lead balloons.
Viper
Zero
Mastermold- If we got Nimrod then we really don’t need MM


Potentials
Kid Vulcan- His powers haven’t been to developed yet. Easy to abuse if you ask me.
Nuke – If you can’t remember his name, would we be able to get enough info on him in the tournament?
Daimon Hellstorm- Would he be listed under X-men villains? I know he joined the Hellfire Club once.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Deathbird- She’s cooler than Tag. ‘Nuff said.

Grrr, blasphemy!!

Famine- Doesn’t Wither need to touch you to effect someone? And Tag, and Rogue, etc.

Hmm, yeah, that's true. Okay, I'm fine with her.

Legion (Pre-AoA)

That's a good heading, we can stick with that.

Nuke – If you can’t remember his name, would we be able to get enough info on him in the tournament?

He's a pre-established character, before now. I just couldn't remember his name. I think he was maybe a Captain America foe.

Daimon Hellstorm

I don't think he'd be labeled an X-Men villain, but if he's cool enough we can still throw him in the potentials section. I don't know enough about him to say if he's a good character or not.


Also... you forgot to add War to your list

 

[JewishHobbit]

My Updated List

Keep

Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Black Tom Cassidy (Pre M-Day)
Blob (Pre M-Day)
Brainchild
Cameron Hodge (Tinction Agenda)
Cassandra Nova
Count Neferia
Cyber
Dark Beast
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Famine
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Gideon
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Kid Omega
Lady Deathstrike
Legion (Pre AoA)
Magneto (Pre M-Day)
Mastermind
Mesmero (Pre M-Day)
Mr. Sinister
Moses Magnum
Mystique
New Son
Nimrod
Omega Red
Ozymandias
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper (Pre M-Day)
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shadow King
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Trevor Fitzroy
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vargas
Vertigo
War
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane

Drop
Azazel
Ahab
Bastion
Deathbird
Mastermold
Mojo
Toad
Tusk
Vanisher
Viper
Zero

Potentials
Kid Vulcann
Nuke - I'm pretty sure he's a pre established character, prior to Origins. And Nuke is his name

 

[POWdER-man]

X-Villains

Keep
Ahab - He would actually be an excellent character to have even without his drones.
Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Black Tom Cassidy (Pre M-Day)
Blob (Pre M-Day)
Brainchild
Cameron Hodge (X-Tinction Agenda)
Count Neferia
Cyber
Dark Beast
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Famine
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Kid Omega(which version? Phoenix Endsong was a bit too powerful)
Lady Deathstrike
Legion
Magneto (Pre M-Day)
Mastermind
Mesmero (Pre M-Day)
Mr. Sinister
Moses Magnum
Mystique
New Son
Nimrod
Omega Red
Ozymandias
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper (Pre M-Day)
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Toad (He might not get far but I think he's good enough to get at least past the first round)
Trevor Fitzroy
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vargas
Vertigo
War -
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane

Drop
Azazel
Bastion -
Deathbird
Mastermold
Mojo
Shadow King
Tusk
Vanisher
Viper
Zero

Not sure

Cassandra Nova (she would be difficult to kill and has a wide array of powers she might be too powerful)
Gideon - He can easily be abused since he can automatically copy powers of man or machine and can use them to their full potential. Would be difficult to kill or defeat.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think both Gideon and Cassandra Nova would both be fine. We need some tough guys to compare to some of the Cosmics that we have in this thing.

And I actually think that Kid Omega from Phoenix Endsong would be fine. He was uber tough, but I don't think he passed the line.

 

[Phaedrus45]

X-Villains

Keep:

Ahab
Apocalypse
Avalanche
Balasco
Black Tom Cassidy
Blob
Cameron Hodge
Count Neferia (moved to villains)
Cyber
Dark Beast
Deathbird
Donald Pierce
Emplate
Exodus
Fabian Cortez
Famine
Gamesmaster
Garrok
Gauntlet
Genesis
Gideon
Goblin Queen
Holocaust
Kane (Weapon X)
Lady Deathstrike
Magneto
Mastermind
Mastermold
Mesmero
Mr. Sinister
Moses Magnum
Mystique
Nimrod
Omega Red
Pestilence
Pyro
Reaper
Riptide
Sabastian Shaw
Sabretooth
Sauron
Scalphunter
Selene
Senyaka
Shadow King
Shinobi Shaw
Silver Samarai
Spiral
Sonia Blaze
Stryfe
Sugar Man
Toad
Trevor Fitzroy
Tusk
Uniscone
Unus the Untouchable
Vanisher
Vargas
Vertigo
Viper
War
Wildside
Washout (Weapon X)
X-Cutioner
Zaladane
Zero

Drop:

Azazel
Brainchild - (Character does nothing for me.)
Cassandra Nova - (Quite possibly too uber.)
Kid Omega - (Way too powerful. He could eliminate everyone we've kept on the list, easily.)
Legion - (Also, way to powerful....as recent Exiles has shown.)
New Son - (JH did a lot with him I remember...but, this is a character that I don't even remember being in comics.)
Ozymadias - (worthless character)
Shadow King - (I agree with Wieg...same as Malice problem.)

 

[wiegeabo]

I'm not sure about Nova either. She's super super powerful, but she did get beaten by a non-telepath last season.

Shadow King I'm voting against. It reminds me of the Malice problem. He has no physical body to attack, so you pretty much have to be a telepath to beat him. I can't even remember who beat him last season.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BTW, with the other drop lists, I totally disagree with Deathbird. She was a great Avenger, and her character is totally ruthless. I'd gladly have her on my list any day.

 

[POWdER-man]

I'm not sure about Nova either. She's super super powerful, but she did get beaten by a non-telepath last season.

Shadow King I'm voting against. It reminds me of the Malice problem. He has no physical body to attack, so you pretty much have to be a telepath to beat him. I can't even remember who beat him last season.

It was Mister Sinister (barely)...

As for Nova it was only Silver Surfer that beat her...that's all...no one important....

You did a good job defending him but you lead on that he couldn't be taken control of but he was effected by Psycho Man....

 

[JewishHobbit]

Deathbird was an Avenger?! When did that happen? And while I'm on the line with Cassandra, Shadow King, and Kid Omega.... I'm okay if they end up being dropped. My defense for Cassandra and Kid Omega though are that Cassandra, while a strong telepath, can be taken out by physical means (as shown when Emma broke her neck... it took her out for a short while), and that Kid Omega is brash and unexperienced. He's powerful, but he doesn't quite know how to use it creatively. If you want to tone him down, then we can use the Riot At Xavier's version instead of Phoenix Endsong. That version can be taken out by any physical means, and was beaten by the telepathy of the Cuckoos (though it was amplified). He's beatable... just a tough character.

If anything I say move Cassandra Nova and Kid Omega to the Potential lists to be further debated. Shadow King I think is either keep or get rid of... no middle ground.

 

[POWdER-man]

Deathbird was an Avenger?! When did that happen? And while I'm on the line with Cassandra, Shadow King, and Kid Omega.... I'm okay if they end up being dropped. My defense for Cassandra and Kid Omega though are that Cassandra, while a strong telepath, can be taken out by physical means (as shown when Emma broke her neck... it took her out for a short while), and that Kid Omega is brash and unexperienced. He's powerful, but he doesn't quite know how to use it creatively. If you want to tone him down, then we can use the Riot At Xavier's version instead of Phoenix Endsong. That version can be taken out by any physical means, and was beaten by the telepathy of the Cuckoos (though it was amplified). He's beatable... just a tough character.

If anything I say move Cassandra Nova and Kid Omega to the Potential lists to be further debated. Shadow King I think is either keep or get rid of... no middle ground.

She did break her neck but Nova also almost instantly switched bodies/minds with the world's strongest telepath right after without even anyone noticing.

She also took a full blast by Cyclops that ripped her in half and she instantly recovered.....

To me I would love to get her back, and I guess if she went up against one of the cosmic characters it would be close so it might be good in keeping her...

As for Kid Omega it would almost have to be that version because he is pretty much pure psionic energy in Phoenix Endsong.

 

[Trigger]

Deathbird was an Avenger?! When did that happen? And while I'm on the line with Cassandra, Shadow King, and Kid Omega.... I'm okay if they end up being dropped. My defense for Cassandra and Kid Omega though are that Cassandra, while a strong telepath, can be taken out by physical means (as shown when Emma broke her neck... it took her out for a short while), and that Kid Omega is brash and unexperienced. He's powerful, but he doesn't quite know how to use it creatively. If you want to tone him down, then we can use the Riot At Xavier's version instead of Phoenix Endsong. That version can be taken out by any physical means, and was beaten by the telepathy of the Cuckoos (though it was amplified). He's beatable... just a tough character.

If anything I say move Cassandra Nova and Kid Omega to the Potential lists to be further debated. Shadow King I think is either keep or get rid of... no middle ground.

I think it should be noted that riot at Xavier's version was amped up on Kick. I'd like him in, but definitely not the Endsong version. Cassandra would slaughter characters in the early round, but I think she'd give the cosmic characters the much needed competition. Shadow is cool with me.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Hmmm...Imagine if Powder would have used the defense in taking on Thanos for the second time, "Xavier knows he's doomed unless he takes it to the next level. He knows Thanos will be expecting the exact same tactics...So, Xavier brings the drug, Kick, with him to the next showdown."

You know, Xavier would have total access to the drug, and that he probably has some confiscated on the Institute premises. If you knew you were doomed, as Powder said he was when going into the second fight, wouldn't you possibly use the drug to save your life???

 

[wiegeabo]

But he wouldn't be allowed to remember what happened last time, would he?

 

[Phaedrus45]

I thought if you had a re-match with a character after having a draw, all the strategies used the first time were then knowledge for the second fight.

 

[wiegeabo]

Oh, you meant the tie-breaker. Yeah, X could've 'kick'ed it up.