Contest Of Marvels II Discussion Thread

[JewishHobbit]

Hey guys. I'm going to do a shameless plug again, but this time for good cause. I've recently lost my job, and of coarse that isn't good for a family father. I'm selling 500 comics on ebay so I thought you'd guys would want a look at it. I posted a post over in Marvel Comics thread about it that I'm expecting to be closed, but I thought I'd just post it here since we're all friends. If you can help out it'd be great, if not then thanks anyhow.

JH's Auctions

 

[wiegeabo]

Ooooh, some nice ones there. I'll be keeping my eye on those.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Please do. And if you win you can yell at me every time I say something smart alicky... "Hey! I fed your family while you were poor, FOOL!"

 

[Phaedrus45]

Thor

Keep:

Absorbing Man
Baldur
Beta Ray Bill
Bloodaxe
Durok the Demolisher
Enchantress
Fandral
Fenris
Heimdall
Hogun
Kurse
Sif
Thor
Thunderstrike
Titania
Ulik
Valkyrie
Vidar

Drop:

Desak (To me, he was #2, and almost won the whole thing. Too uber, in my opinion, even with what's been said. Who wouldn't have him in the top of their list after Season 1.)
Volstagg (I agree. Less Asgardians doesn't hurt the competition...)

Potential:

Loki (I know there was questions that with prep-time, he might be too powerful...like Dr. Strange.)
Ares (Hot new comic...he might be a great addition)
Growing Man
King Cobra
Man-Beast
Tana Nile (Also, a character who's recently returned in the Annihilation books.)
Thaialfi
Thor Girl
Ultimus

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, if Desak is too uber, then the Destroyer should most definitely be too uber as well.

 

[POWdER-man]

Thor

Keep:

Absorbing Man
Baldur
Beta Ray Bill
Bloodaxe
Durok the Demolisher
Enchantress
Fandral
Fenris
Heimdall
Hogun
Kurse
Sif
Thor
Thunderstrike
Titania
Ulik
Valkyrie
Vidar

Drop:

Desak (The thing with Desak is that he has his immunity to mystical and god powers but he has also been created with the physical abilities to fight the strongest individuals in the universe. He has killed 1000's of gods, a lot of which were in numbers, and he simply became more stronger as time passed. He did die twice but once were talking with Mjiolnir charged with the Odinforce(even though he took the full force of it just before) and another with the bloodaxe(although he has taken Mjiolnir without any harm). He has taken on characters like the Grey Gargoyal and spanked his ass, so he is certainly not limited in facing Gods. At the most his showings have been inconsistent even in the same books. He takes the odinforce one moment and another he gets killed with it, he takes Mjiolnir to the face and smiles one instant, another he gets killed by just the bloodaxe. I'd like to have him back but I know more than how much issues come along the way...I say leave him out
Volstagg (I agree. Less Asgardians doesn't hurt the competition...)

Potential:

Loki (Another character I'd like back, but if Strange is still in this than Loki should be too)
Ares
Growing Man
King Cobra
Man-Beast
Tana Nile
Thaialfi
Thor Girl
Ultimus

Destroyer is way beyond too uber. Another thing Desak took the full might of it's energy beam and strength being plowed through Asguard and just got up and continued fighting.

 

[wiegeabo]

Someone mentioned a while back about the Final Four characters not being allowed in this season. And the more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

The Final Four (well, Final Three since Thanos is tuber) would be off the list this season, but available next season (at which point this season's Final Four would be off the list). Not only does this ensure that new characters will make it to the finals, but it prevents owner's from getting 'easy wins' because they have someone who made it to the finals last time and should be able to do the same.

I'm fine with it either way, I just sort of like the...variety (I guess is the word) it might bring.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, Gray Gargoyle is definitely way out of Desak's league, so it's no surprised that Desak batted him around and forced him to flee.

As for the Destroyer fight, the construct was holding back because of the Designate's spirit inhabiting it. Besides, all it did was physically punish him, which in nothing he hasn't taken from Thor. Sure, it hit him with an energy blast, but that's nothing a brick like Desak couldn't handle.
I don't think Desak could take a blast of it's disintegration beams.

Personally, I don't see Desak as being too uber. Sure he'd be in the upper echelon of the tourny, but he would not be an unbeatable force.

Still, it's up to you all to make the final call.

 

[Reikowolf]

how much time do we have to commit? like all day?

 

[JewishHobbit]

how much time do we have to commit? like all day?

Nope. This tourney is pretty time-friendly. It does take some time to debate your matches, but it's up to you how much time you want to put into it. Our only requirements are that you at least get a debate up for each of your characters (which will be given to you at a later time), and that you vote each week. All in all I'd say it takes maybe two hours a week plus more if you want to put more into it (but it's kinda addicting, so once you start it's just fun to continue). That's my opinion, others can state their opinions if they think differantly. And if you want to take even less time than that we can give you less characters and that's less you have to debate, that's up to you though.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm still severely on the fense with Desak, same as I was with Silver Surfer. If anything I say move him to Potentials to further discuss later so we can move on.

And while I don't remember the conversation to automatically eliminate the final four characters from the previous season, I'm not against the idea. And in this case it'd be good because Thanos is already out for the too uber factor, and Desak, Loki, and Dr. Strange are all under debate... so it'd just fix that problem right there. I'm okay with this if Phaed is.

And my official list:

Absorbing Man
Baldur
Beta Ray Bill
Bloodaxe
Durok the Demolisher
Enchantress
Fandral
Fenris
Heimdall
Hogun
Kurse
Sif
Thor
Thunderstrike
Titania
Ulik
Valkyrie
Vidar

Drop:
Volstagg (Eh, I don't care about him, why not)

Potential:
Desak
Loki
Ares
Man-Beast

(I'm okay with pretty much any other potentials given, I just don't know them enough to say yes or no and I don't have time to research them at the moment)

 

[POWdER-man]

Thor

Keep

208.Absorbing Man
209.Baldur
210.Beta Ray Bill
211.Bloodaxe
212.Durok the Demolisher
213.Enchantress
214.Fandral
215.Fenris
216.Heimdall
217.Hogun
218.Kurse
219.Sif
220.Thor
221.Thunderstrike
222.Titania
223.Ulik
224.Valkyrie
225.Vidar

Drop:

57.Volstagg

Potential:

78.Ares
79.Man-Beast
80.Growing Man
81.King Cobra
82.Tana Nile
83.Thaialfi
84.Thor Girl
85.Ultimus

Currently unknown

Desak
Loki

I was the one to suggest in removing the top 4, so I see no problem in doing that. If that's the case, Doctor Strange would be removed from potential list and Desak and Loki will go to drop list.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Sure, I can see removing the top 4. But, that still leaves the question about if we'd allow Dr. Strange in this competition in the first place. So, with Dr. Strange out, we are eliminating other magic users, like Baron Mordo?

 

[Trigger]

I concur. I'd like to see some new guys in the top 4. I think Strange, Loki, and Desak are too uber anyway.

 

[POWdER-man]

Thunderbolts

Atlas
Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker
Baron Zemo
Blizzard
Charcoal
Fixer
Gravitron
Jolt
Joystick
Llyron (Fathom 5)
Mach IV
Moonstone
Photon (Genis)
Radioactive Man
Scourge (Nomad)
Songbird
Speed Demon
Swordsman II
Tigershark

 

[wiegeabo]

Well, the top four wouldn't be eiliminated as much as taking a season off. Technically they'd still be in the competition, just no one would be able to pick them up.

So we wouldn't be dropping Strange because of his magic and power, but just because he made it so far. So that wouldn't automatically mean Baron Mordo should be dropped.

 

[POWdER-man]

Sure, I can see removing the top 4. But, that still leaves the question about if we'd allow Dr. Strange in this competition in the first place. So, with Dr. Strange out, we are eliminating other magic users, like Baron Mordo?

Hmm not sure really. I guess unless we believed the only person that could beat Baron Mordo was Dr. Strange than I say yeah we should eliminate him. If he can be beat and isn't as powerful as Strange, than I say we can keep him. Especially since it would be a different character, if he did make it to the final 4.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Well, I say we go ahead and give Desak, Loki, and Dr. Strange their break and bring them back in next season (if we don't rule them out). I think we may be having the tag team thing next season anyhow, so that could really affect how we look at them. And I say for now just keep Baron Mordo on the potential list and move on. We'll deal with him when the time comes to debate potential characters.

Thunderbolts

Keep
Atlas
Baron Zemo
Blizzard
Charcoal
Fixer
Gravitron
Jolt
Joystick
Mach IV
Moonstone
Photon (Genis) (how do we want him? Captain Marvel? Photon?)
Radioactive Man
Songbird
Speed Demon


Drop
Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker
Scourge (Nomad)

Not Sure
Swordsman II - I'd rather have him like this than as Fenris, but I still don't much care for the character
Llyron (Fathom 5) - If he has a serious out of water weakness then drop him, otherwise he's fine
Tigershark - Same as Llyron

 

[Phaedrus45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolts_(comics)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Thunderbolts

Keep:


Atlas
Baron Zemo
Blizzard
Charcoal
Fixer
Gravitron
Jolt
Joystick
Mach IV
Moonstone
Photon (Genis)
Radioactive Man
Scourge (Nomad)
Songbird
Speed Demon
Swordsman II
Tigershark

Drop:

Baron Strucker (No real powers...don't see him really getting past first round without his flunkies.)
Llyron (There wasn't a lot of info on this character last season.)
Scourge (Nomad) (Pretty useless character. Also, not a lot of info, too.)
Swordsman II (Yeah, character does nothing for me, either.)

Potential:

Man-Killer
Plantman (Blackheath)

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm not feeling Man-Killer, but Plantman sounds good. I'm hesitant though as I'd rather have Black Tom Cassidy.

 

[POWdER-man]

Thunderbolts

Keep:

Atlas
Baron Zemo
Blizzard
Charcoal
Fixer
Gravitron
Jolt
Joystick
Mach IV
Moonstone
Photon (Genis)
Radioactive Man
Songbird
Speed Demon
Tigershark

Drop:

Baron Strucker (agree)
Llyron (Agree)
Scourge (Nomad) (Agree)
Swordsman II

Potential

Yeah I am not really feeling anybody..

 

[POWdER-man]

Thunderbolts

Keep:

226.Atlas
227.Baron Zemo
228.Blizzard
229.Charcoal
230.Fixer
231.Gravitron
232.Jolt
233.Joystick
234.Mach IV
235.Moonstone
236.Photon (Genis)
237.Radioactive Man
238.Songbird
239.Speed Demon
240.Tigershark

Drop:

58.Baron Strucker
59.Llyron (Agree)
60.Scourge (Nomad)
61.Swordsman II

No pickups I guess...

 

[POWdER-man]

Yeah X-Men!!!

X-Men

Archangel
Banshee
Beast
Bishop
Cable
Cannonball
Cecelia Reyes
Chamber
Charles Xavier
Colossus
Cyclops
Dazzler
Emma Frost
Forge
Gambit
Havoc
Husk
Iceman
Jean Grey
Joseph
Jubilee
Juggernaut
Kitty Pryde
Lifeguard
Longshot
Maggott
Marrow
Mimic
Nightcrawler
Northstar
Polaris
Psylocke
Rachel Grey
Revanche
Rogue
Sage
Slipstream
Stacey X
Storm
Sunfire
Thunderbird I
Thunderbird III
Wolverine
Xorn II
X-23

 

[JewishHobbit]

X-Men

Keep

Archangel - I'm going to assume that 'Archangel' is his death form after Apocalypse, not his current 'Angel' feathery self.
Banshee
Beast
Bishop
Cable (Burnt Offering) - His powers were at his strongest at that point. This may be too powerful though
Cannonball
Chamber (Pre M-Day)
Charles Xavier (Pre M-Day) - Just for the sake of it, we should have him during New X-Men so that he can walk and run and all that
Colossus
Cyclops
Dazzler
Emma Frost
Forge
Gambit - I wouldn't mind having him when he had his full powers during his first ongoing, so that he could charge things on sight, organic and non-organic
Havoc
Iceman - I'd be cool to have his 'X-Men Forever' version, where he has complete control of his body to a molecular level, where he can even turn to mist or water
Jean Grey
Joseph
Juggernaut - Do we want X-Man or his majorly tough villain days
Kitty Pryde
Lifeguard
Marrow
Nightcrawler
Northstar - X-Man or Agent of Hydra?
Polaris - Crazy? X-Factor? current Pestilance?
Psylocke (Crimson Dawn) - This version has both telepathy, telekinesis, and her shadow powers
Rachel Grey - WE can go with current more experienced Rachel or Pre-Phoenix Rachel with less experience but more ruthless
Rogue - Do we want her curant flame version, the original Ms. Marvel version, or the one that could call up powers at will?
Stacey X (Pre M-Day)
Storm
Sunfire (Famine) - Nothing taken away from the character, but he's more ruthless and make people desperately starved.
Thunderbird III
Wolverine
X-23

Drop
Cecelia Reyes - While she can be offensive, she's mostly defensive and wouldn't make it far I don't think.
Jubilee - She could possibly do well, but I do see her advancing
Maggott - Good character, but he's too limited
Mimic - I'd rather have the Exiles counterpart
Sage - Dues Ex Machina who's powers are all over the place. I'd rather go without her.
Slipstream - He's just a teleport her, no offensive fighting experience
Thunderbird I - We already have the Exiles counterpart
Xorn II - Again, Dues Ex Machina who doesn't wish to fight. I don't see him going far really.

Not Sure
Husk - I want Husk in this thing, but if we only have one version I think I'd rather have her AoA counterpart
Longshot - His powers may be a bit too unpredictable. Thoughts?
Revanche - Love her but we already have Psylocke... do we need a second?

Potentials
There shouldn't be any, as I used every person that was ever an X-Man, with the exception of Paulie Provenzano, Wraith, Sunpyre, and Fitz (or whatever that skrull from the Twelve storyline was) and all of them can be left out with no problem. Sunpyre's just like Sunfire, there's better skrulls than Fitz, Wraith was lame, and while Paulie could have had potential, he has no offensive training.

Wait... is Nate Grey on the other X-Character list? If not then he needs added.