Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Hisako Ichiki vs Sphinx

Some scans on Hisako's armor:

These show the strength of her armor, and as you know it has only one actual weakness: Adamantium.

The Sphinx is mostly a superstrong bruiser. You might recall a scan of mine depicting Alex Power knocking Sphinx down by altering his density (in case you don't: here). Hisako is stronger than that. As with most of her opponents, Hisako's greatest strength is preparation and surprise. The Savage Land is a huge place, and she's decidely smaller and sneakier than Sphinx is. She's going to focus on giving this guy a pummelling as soon as she gets the possibility, maybe scope him out for a while to get an idea of his powers, and most importantly the Ka Stone.

Once she hits though... she's not going to stop, and the Sphinx is going down. With a flurry of punches, followed by her taking his Ka Stone and crushing it (anyone can figure out that's the source of his power). Remember the effect that had on the Sphinx? Right, it makes him crumble to dust. It's not an effect that Hisako would want, or would be hoping for (she has no reason to want him dead), but it would mean another battle won.

WINNER=HISAKO ICHIKI

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ultimus vs. Quasar:

Ok, so I've done some research on both characters, and I still come away seeing how evenly matched this situation is. Here are just a few things I noticed.

There isn't much about Ultimus, but there is a ton of information on Quasar. This is actually in Ultimus' favor. Remember, Ultimus is a member of the Starforce, and as such he has access to the Kree database on all the information about Quasar. In comparison, since we know so little about Ultimus, Quasar won't know much either. Their one meeting in Quasar #35 didn't involve a battle at all. The Starforce simply shot at Quasar's group, and one of the groups teleported to a different location. So, Quasar wasn't able to gain any information on Ultimus.

Quasar has weaknesses. First, he gets his powers from his bands, and these bands have been stolen in the past with various people wearing them. Ultimus just has to learn from the Kree database on how to effect this to his advantage. Plus, just as Gladiator did in an issue of Quasar by grabbing Hyperion from behind in a choke hold, if Ultimus can get behind Quasar immediately and choke the life out of him, his powers would be very ineffective with a foe behind him and out of reach. (I know Hyperion and Quasar are two different powered individuals; but, realized this would actually work in a fight.)

Quasar is almost a poor man's Green Lantern. If you look through all of his comics, you notice he uses the same techniques Hal does in Green Lantern. Actual fists of yellow power hit his opponents, making a yellow powered net to grab at his foes. The thing is this, though: Spider-man was able to use his strength to break Quasar's energy beam....I'm not too worried that Ultimus couldn't do the same thing.

In the end, this match is almost a draw. I just point out that information is on Ultimus' side, and lack of information will hinder Quasar. Also, Ultimus is different from Quasar in one very important factor: Quasar is a good guy who doesn't ever go for the killing blow. Ultimus will, especially considering Ultimus will blame Quasar for the events of Operation: Galactic Storm.

Winner = Ultimus

 

[wiegeabo]

Ultimus vs. Quasar:
Quasar has weaknesses. First, he gets his powers from his bands, and these bands have been stolen in the past with various people wearing them. Ultimus just has to learn from the Kree database on how to effect this to his advantage.

It may be a weakness, but Ultimus still has to get them. And if it happened to Quasar once, how likely is it to happen again. Quasar can pre-program his bands to react to situations. All he has to do during prep-time is make sure his bands automatically attack if someone else even lays a hand on them.

Plus, just as Gladiator did in an issue of Quasar by grabbing Hyperion from behind in a choke hold, if Ultimus can get behind Quasar immediately and choke the life out of him, his powers would be very ineffective with a foe behind him and out of reach. (I know Hyperion and Quasar are two different powered individuals; but, realized this would actually work in a fight.)

The difference between Hyperion and Quasar is important. If Ultimus can grab Quasar from behind, Quasar can use a still attack Ultimus with his constructs. He could even pry Ultimus off his back and hold him in place as Quasar hits him with everything he's got (or everything he needs to take Ultimus down).

Quasar is almost a poor man's Green Lantern. If you look through all of his comics, you notice he uses the same techniques Hal does in Green Lantern. Actual fists of yellow power hit his opponents, making a yellow powered net to grab at his foes. The thing is this, though: Spider-man was able to use his strength to break Quasar's energy beam....I'm not too worried that Ultimus couldn't do the same thing.

Even if not strong, relatively speaking, they can at least be a distraction. One with enough force behind it to make Ultimus have to react to them. While Ultimus and Quasar tangle directly, the constructs can attack from behind, redirect or block some energy attacks, possibly blind Ultimus by wrapping around his head, or binding Ultimus in place long enough to give Quasar a few free attacks.

In the end, this match is almost a draw. I just point out that information is on Ultimus' side, and lack of information will hinder Quasar. Also, Ultimus is different from Quasar in one very important factor: Quasar is a good guy who doesn't ever go for the killing blow. Ultimus will, especially considering Ultimus will blame Quasar for the events of Operation: Galactic Storm.

If this was a truly limiting factor, villains would win more often. Ultimus may have more information, but once Quasar sees the powered he's throwing around, he'll know there's no reason to hold back.


Quasar wins

 

[Phaedrus45]

It may be a weakness, but Ultimus still has to get them. And if it happened to Quasar once, how likely is it to happen again. Quasar can pre-program his bands to react to situations. All he has to do during prep-time is make sure his bands automatically attack if someone else even lays a hand on them.

But, Quasar really knows very little about Ultimus. If I was fighting this match against a passive Quasar? (From what I read, he really does seem very passive, wanting to talk more than fight.) I'd end this battle real quick. I would have a Kree weapon that would effectively cut off his hands below the wrists, making the bands fall down. Of course, someone might say, "Why didn't people try this before with Quasar?" Simple...they didn't have the 24 hour prep-time.

The difference between Hyperion and Quasar is important. If Ultimus can grab Quasar from behind, Quasar can use a still attack Ultimus with his constructs. He could even pry Ultimus off his back and hold him in place as Quasar hits him with everything he's got (or everything he needs to take Ultimus down).

When you are in close proximity to Quasar, his constructs don't seem to work. He's always fighting his foes from a distance. I was trying to remember an instance close up, and couldn't find it. A wrestling sleeper hold would be very effective, especially when used correctly, it keeps the arms apart. After all, unless my above move doesn't work, this will be a knock-down, dragged out fight that will be like a wrestling match. Both characters are evenly matched.

Even if not strong, relatively speaking, they can at least be a distraction. One with enough force behind it to make Ultimus have to react to them. While Ultimus and Quasar tangle directly, the constructs can attack from behind, redirect or block some energy attacks, possibly blind Ultimus by wrapping around his head, or binding Ultimus in place long enough to give Quasar a few free attacks.

Ultimus is very powerful, and the simply blows by Quasar won't be effective enough. Plus, I really tried to see instances of Quasar being ruthless...I just never saw it. He really came across as a cosmic wuss, I'm sorry to say. Dude's got potential, but he seemed to dwell on things more than the Silver Surfer. I was surprised his series lasted for 60 issues. (All the tie-ins and guest appearances must have really helped.) I don't mean to totally insult your character; I just felt it necessary to relay my feelings when sifting through those pages.

If this was a truly limiting factor, villains would win more often. Ultimus may have more information, but once Quasar sees the powered he's throwing around, he'll know there's no reason to hold back.

Of course I'm biased. By all intents and purposes, this match looks like a draw. All I can say is that there are those few factors that might give Ultimus the advantage, imo. I leave it up to the voter, though, to decide.


Winner = Ultimus

 

[Midnight Ice]

Iceman vs Enchantress

With Bobby knowing who he is about to face beforehand, he would know what Enchantress' main strategy would be. He would know that whe will try to seduce him and will do all that he can to prepare for that. Xavier has trained the X-Men to resist any mind control or things like it.(I know Enchantress isn't using mind control, but it is kind of similar)

Also, I don't believe that a kiss from her would affect Bobby in ice form. Whatever coems from her kiss would have to travel through his pores and nerve endings to the brain to work. Well, in his ice form there are no pores or nerves. The same may be said about her effects she will try to have before trying to touch him.

Iceman knows who he is going up against, and yes, he has shown to be a puch over when it comes to the ladies, but he will not let that lose him the battle. He knows the stakes and will take Enchantress out quickly. It would be a shame for there to be a freak turenchal downpour and then the water covering Enchantress started to freeze, slowing her down and ultimatly knocking her out.

Winner: Iceman

 

[hippy fascist]

Iceman vs Enchantress

With Bobby knowing who he is about to face beforehand, he would know what Enchantress' main strategy would be. He would know that whe will try to seduce him and will do all that he can to prepare for that. Xavier has trained the X-Men to resist any mind control or things like it.(I know Enchantress isn't using mind control, but it is kind of similar)

Completely different thing altogether. What you are talking about is psychological techniques in order to avoid brainwashing. The magics that enchantress wields essentially hijack a person's will. It's not about coersion or telepathy. Both of these things are an organic process. Magic operate in a wholy different way, just ask superman

Also, I don't believe that a kiss from her would affect Bobby in ice form. Whatever coems from her kiss would have to travel through his pores and nerve endings to the brain to work. Well, in his ice form there are no pores or nerves. The same may be said about her effects she will try to have before trying to touch him.

Again, you're thinking of this as if it's some form of poison effect. Magics often require a sybolic gesture to aid the casting. This is why you will often see magical characters using some kind of rod or trinket to fire energy bolts. It's all about symbolism. The kiss is simply one part of the spell and irrespective of bobby's current biological make up it is about highjacking his will. If bobby can still think and feel the same emotions as a human her spells and kiss will work on him. You can't look at this in the same way as a physical attack. It's far more insidious than that.

Iceman knows who he is going up against, and yes, he has shown to be a puch over when it comes to the ladies, but he will not let that lose him the battle. He knows the stakes and will take Enchantress out quickly. It would be a shame for there to be a freak turenchal downpour and then the water covering Enchantress started to freeze, slowing her down and ultimatly knocking her out.

Winner: Iceman

Relying on the weather...the battle is already won

Ultimately bobby has never been the leader type, always a team player (and he has a tendency to get his ass handed to him when he runs off to do something on his own). Against an experienced foe like enchantress he stands little chance. Bobby is a great character, but I feel it is entirely fitting that his exit from this contest should come at the hands of a woman...and a damn hot one at that t:

WINNER:ENCHANTRESS!

 

[Midnight Ice]

Iceman VS Enchantress

If Enchatress needs to make gestures or use magical trinkets, then Bobby will know this and instantly freeze her hands and feet to the ground. He can even freeze her mouth shut if need be. Any magical trinkets can be frozen and shattered.

Sure, Bobby likes to goof around, but he is not stupid! If he knows it is him and her alone, he will be prepared. With the prep time, he has the X-Mansion's extensive files which will all info on Echantress and her strenghts and weaknesses, and about times she has been defeated. He would even have the X-Men's danger room to practice fighting her.

The Savage land has more than enough moisture for Bobby to do about anything. As soon as she arrives (or the both do at the same time, however they arrive in this contest) he can lower the temp so Echantress has a hard time thinking as she shivers and tries to keep her bodily functions working as she passes out or is frozen.

Yes, I will admit that this is a difficult fight for Iceman, but I believe that Enchantress will underestimate Bobby's strength and intelligence.

Winner: Iceman!!

 

[wiegeabo]

But, Quasar really knows very little about Ultimus. If I was fighting this match against a passive Quasar? (From what I read, he really does seem very passive, wanting to talk more than fight.) I'd end this battle real quick. I would have a Kree weapon that would effectively cut off his hands below the wrists, making the bands fall down. Of course, someone might say, "Why didn't people try this before with Quasar?" Simple...they didn't have the 24 hour prep-time.

Quasar's going to go into a blind fight without at least having forcefields up? If Quasar hits Ultimus without enough power, he'll know to ramp it up. If Ultimus hits Quasar first, Qusar will know how much to use against his opponent.

When you are in close proximity to Quasar, his constructs don't seem to work. He's always fighting his foes from a distance. I was trying to remember an instance close up, and couldn't find it. A wrestling sleeper hold would be very effective, especially when used correctly, it keeps the arms apart. After all, unless my above move doesn't work, this will be a knock-down, dragged out fight that will be like a wrestling match. Both characters are evenly matched.

Will a choke hold work through a forcefield? It may immobilize Quasar a little, but all Quasar has to do is slam himself, and Ultimus, into the ground or a mountain to keep the fight going. And I don't know of anything that says he can't use his constructs up close.

And this strategy depends on Ultimus actually getting a hold of Quasar.


A very close match indeed. But I think Quasars has the distance advantage and a lot of power to draw from.


Quasar wins

 

[hippy fascist]

Iceman VS Enchantress

If Enchatress needs to make gestures or use magical trinkets, then Bobby will know this and instantly freeze her hands and feet to the ground. He can even freeze her mouth shut if need be. Any magical trinkets can be frozen and shattered.

Most of enchantress's spells work on an ambient area of effect basis. She'll throw up her spells the second she goes into battle and then it is simply a case of bobby getting close enough for them to take effect so this route is out.

Sure, Bobby likes to goof around, but he is not stupid! If he knows it is him and her alone, he will be prepared. With the prep time, he has the X-Mansion's extensive files which will all info on Echantress and her strenghts and weaknesses, and about times she has been defeated. He would even have the X-Men's danger room to practice fighting her.

He's no idiot, but he is incredibly arrogant and lazy. The two things that will be a MAJOR hinderance to prep time. He's not the type to spend hours pouring over his files. Bobby is more the kind to spend time in the danger room and the danger room cannot prepare him for this fight. Psychological warfare has NEVER been bobby's strong point. He suffers from the same "surfer-dude" achetype that plagues johhny storm.

The Savage land has more than enough moisture for Bobby to do about anything. As soon as she arrives (or the both do at the same time, however they arrive in this contest) he can lower the temp so Echantress has a hard time thinking as she shivers and tries to keep her bodily functions working as she passes out or is frozen.

We are talking about asgardian physiology here. this will have little effect on her. Given how harsh conditions can be in parts of asgard this will prove no great hinderance.

Yes, I will admit that this is a difficult fight for Iceman, but I believe that Enchantress will underestimate Bobby's strength and intelligence.

Winner: Iceman!!

Enchantress is a methodical and calculating macheovelian con artist. Her greatest skill is her ability to get under the skin of her opponent. If anyone is going to be underestimating their opponent it's bobby. Enchantres has seduced people ranging from the noble Thor to the genius of Doom. Neither of them are known for having a weakness for the ladies. Women are one of bobby's BIGGEST weaknesses. It's a bad draw but sadly it's just not a match bobby can win.

Add to that the fact that bobby always ends up coming a cropper when he breaks of from his team and it's clear this one will go to boobs over brawn

WINNER: ENCHANTRESS!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Quasar's going to go into a blind fight without at least having forcefields up? If Quasar hits Ultimus without enough power, he'll know to ramp it up. If Ultimus hits Quasar first, Qusar will know how much to use against his opponent.




Will a choke hold work through a forcefield? It may immobilize Quasar a little, but all Quasar has to do is slam himself, and Ultimus, into the ground or a mountain to keep the fight going. And I don't know of anything that says he can't use his constructs up close.

And this strategy depends on Ultimus actually getting a hold of Quasar.


A very close match indeed. But I think Quasars has the distance advantage and a lot of power to draw from.


Quasar wins

The only thing I'll point out is that Ultimus has the same kind of force field. Like we've pointed out, this match is so extremely close. I'll let the people decide at this point.

 

[wiegeabo]

The only thing I'll point out is that Ultimus has the same kind of force field. Like we've pointed out, this match is so extremely close. I'll let the people decide at this point.

I agree. This is one heck of a good fight.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Hisako Ichiki - (I probably would have easily voted for Sphinx if Zoken would have debated. Harlekin got off easy with this one, and everyone else gets to breath a big sigh of relief that one of the top players got removed by default.)

*Exodus - (I really liked Ky's arguments regarding this match. Man, these battles are getting harder to decide, that's for sure.)

*Ultimus

*Iceman - (I totally changed my vote. With Iceman knowing what to expect and with Enchantress mainly being a villian who likes to work behind the scenes creating trouble, I flipped my vote.)

 

[wiegeabo]

Sphinx (Even without a debate I think he has access to more than enough power to last against Hisako using his Ka stone)
Exodus
Quasar
Encahntress (Great defense of Bobby, but I think he's fighting against a difficult set of powers)

 

[kytrigger]

Exodus

Hisako Ichiki- debate =win

Quasar- probably the most evenly matched fight of the week. Tough as hell to decide.

Iceman- Completely changed my vote here. The fact that Enchantress is more a a behind the scnese person and Bobby knows she's there and what she can do really hurts her here. Still a damn good debate by both people.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Exodus
Sphinx (Even without debate, I just can't see Hisako winning and her debate didn't change my mind)
Iceman (I can't believe I'm voting this, but I am actually convinced he can win... and I do think he is underrated often, even by writers)
Ultimas (Barely... good debates on both sides)

 

[Midnight Ice]

Hisako Ichiki
Exodus
Ultimus
Iceman

 

[Harlekin]

Hisako Ichiki
Exodus
Quasar - Good debate, but I felt Quasar got underestimated. Anyone who has read his ongoing series in its entirety will know how awesome he is.
Iceman - Knowing who his opponent is gives Bobby a distinct advantage. Great debate.

 

[Trigger]

Hisako
Exodus
Ultimus
Iceman- To me, this one feels extremely one-sided given how powerful Bobby is.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Hisako Ichiki - debate does equal win for me
Exodus -

Quasar/Ultimus - I would rather abstain. If I I have to vote I give it to Ultmus (he was heads and heads is what came up)

Enchantress - She can use her spells to entrap him long enough for her to plant a kiss. She does seduce people and as such I think could take this even if the debate was well done.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Hisako Ichiki defeats Sphinx 6-2
Exodus defeats Vengence 8-0
Ultimus defeats Quasar 5-3
Iceman defeats Enchantress 6-2

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 5,

Match 3:

Nimrod (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Emma Frost (PHAEDRUS45) bio

Match 4:

Warlock - M Tech (WIEGEABO) bio



vs.

Jean Grey (PHAEDRUS45) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 6,

Match 3:

New Sun (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Fandral (HARLEKIN) bio

Match 4:

Baldur (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Airwalker (KYTRIGGER) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location: AVALON

Avalon was a fictional space station inhabited by the Acolytes, a cult devoted to Magneto and his views on human-mutant relations. It first appeared in the Fatal Attractions storyline in Marvel Comics's X-Men books.
Avalon was originally named Greymalkin, and was the property of Cable. An interesting part of Greymalkin's construction was its Professor, not to be confused with Professor X. Greymalkin faked its destruction when S.H.I.E.L.D. tried to take it over, dumping parts in the ocean and in X-force's base, but the remaining parts, including its core remained, now using cloaking to hide itself.
Magneto discovered the abandoned space-station, deactivated the Professor and used Shi'ar technology to expand it, turning it into his new base and sending out his new servant Exodus to bring worthy mutants to it. His first choice were several members of X-force, who had been students of Magneto when they were part of the New Mutants. X-force leader, Cable, followed them and managed to disable Avalon's teleportation system and copy the Professor from the core of the station into his own techno-organic bodyparts. Cable and his team escaped, but former New Mutants Rusty Collins and Skids remained on Avalon with Magneto.
Shortly afterwards, Magneto sent Exodus to bring his followers, the Acolytes, to Avalon as well. He declared that Avalon would be a safe heaven for all mutants, away from humanity. The X-Men battled Magneto and he was put into a coma. Exodus took over the leadership of the Acolytes and Avalon. The Acolyte Milan repaired the teleportation systems of Avalon.
Avalon was destroyed by a battle between Holocaust and Exodus. Exodus tried to gather the pieces of Avalon to rebuilt it shortly afterwards, but halted his plans when Joseph turned up, thinking that Joseph was Magneto. Pieces of Avalon and Greymalkin were later gathered by Cable to build the island of Providence, his current base of operations.
Avalon is also shown and is a level on the SNES Game X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse and on the Sega Genesis game X-Men 2: Clone Wars. In Magneto's ending in Marvel Super Heroes, he uses the Infinity Gauntlet to create a new Avalon, an entire moon to serve as a homeworld for Mutantkind.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 4:

Baldur (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Airwalker (KYTRIGGER) bio

This is an interesting match up between a powerful member of Asgard who is invulnerable with powers of heat and light against one of the weaker ex-heralds.

Now neither will know each other or the location. But Blader is a warrior born and as such will take the batttle to his opponent.

Strength wise they will be relatively evenly matched. Balder's powers over heat and light can counteract Airwalker's sub standard power cosmic (losing his herald status took allot away from him). Blader will have impervious swords capable of harming Air Walker and the one thing AIr Walker can do is harm Balder (mistletoe is the only thing that can harm him and 1. Airwalker will not know that and 2. he could not get any even if he did know).

Winner - Balder