Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[Zoken]

Omega Red vs. Jubilee

Let's start with information. Jubilee should be able to find out more than enough about Omega from X computers. But that's unecessary because the two have fought before. So Jubilee will know everything about Omega, and Omega will know enough about Jubilee.


Now comes the fight. And Jubilee is at a big disadvantage because if she gets too close to Omega, or his tenticles, he'll just drain her life away.

Now, that doesn't impact Jubilee too badly because her powers can work at a distance. She can hit Omega with her blasts, which are stronger than most people realize, forcing Omega to work for his target. But Omega's body is very durable. He even has a healing factor (maybe not as good as Logan's, but still powerful). So Red should be able to fight through whatever Jubilee dishes out and still finish her off.

But that's only if she sees Omega. Red is an expert fighter and tactician. He's trained in military and covert operations. So if he doesn't want to be seen, Jubilee won't see him until it's too late. Her only hope is to get into an open area where she can see him coming, and even then Omega still has her number.


Omega Red wins

You forgot his disadvantage of his deathspores. either he allows them to escape his body and attack Ego, bringing the planet's wrath down upon him, OR he keeps them within his body and they begin killing him, weakening him so that her pafs have greater effect. either way, it's just a waiting game for Jubilee. she keeps her distance, tries to stay on the Planet's good side, and wait for Omega read to either piss of the planet or kill himself.

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Tough battle. Man-Thing wouldn't look for information on Wisp. Wisp would probably only get basic information on Man-Thing if he was lucky.

Agreed.

In battle, Wisp's powers let him become intangible and immune to Man-Thing's attacks. He could also become rock hard and give Man-Thing a good pounding. But there are a couple of problems with that. First, Man-Thing is hard to defeat physically since he's not quite solid and can repair from a great deal of damage. And as Wisp gets angry, Man-Thing will react with his sulfuric acid. Wisp will be lucky if he only looses an arm trying to punch Man-Thing in this state.

That would be a slim chance, when I read the bio I only saw rock hard so I went back and saw he can become intangible. Man-Thing isn't stupid, he's not the genius he was but he's not a moron. If he starts pounding on him and notices that he's not making contact he'll try to get a tangible opponent. Once WoW is tangible Man-Thing would nto let up. The anger he had from expieriencing the intangible WoW would mean acid would be gushing out of him, this combined with the super strength is a deadly combination.

But, Man-Thing's greatest weapon, his acid, is also his greatest disadvantage. Because once he starts emitting his acid, it will begin eating into Ego. And once Ego is attacked, he'll start attacking Man-Thing. Wisp can just sit back, intangible, and let Ego beat on Man-Thing until there's nothing left of him.

Yes but how smart are Ego's antibodies? I would assume they would attack both contestant believeing them to be invading pathogens. Andsince MT can quickly recuperate WoW would end up dying first unless he tries to fly away, which could be considered a forfeit, or becomes intangible, a safer bet. When Man-Thing sees the intangible WoW he'll start beocming angry and since Ego will be getting angry at the both of them Man-Thing will get to a point where he's just a broken firehydrant of acid, eating away the entire planet. At this point neither of them can breathe meaning a draw.

Winner=Neither (Man-Thing lives longer)

 

[wiegeabo]

Rebuttal
That would be a slim chance, when I read the bio I only saw rock hard so I went back and saw he can become intangible. Man-Thing isn't stupid, he's not the genius he was but he's not a moron. If he starts pounding on him and notices that he's not making contact he'll try to get a tangible opponent. Once WoW is tangible Man-Thing would nto let up. The anger he had from expieriencing the intangible WoW would mean acid would be gushing out of him, this combined with the super strength is a deadly combination.

Wisp can make parts of his body tangible while keeping other parts intangible. So at best, Man-Thing may be able to grab Wisp's arms as it's hitting him, but not be able to hit anything else. And then Wisp would just go completely intangible and escape.

Yes but how smart are Ego's antibodies? I would assume they would attack both contestant believeing them to be invading pathogens. Andsince MT can quickly recuperate WoW would end up dying first unless he tries to fly away, which could be considered a forfeit, or becomes intangible, a safer bet. When Man-Thing sees the intangible WoW he'll start beocming angry and since Ego will be getting angry at the both of them Man-Thing will get to a point where he's just a broken firehydrant of acid, eating away the entire planet. At this point neither of them can breathe meaning a draw.

Flying away wouldn't automatically forfeit the match. Remember that the battleground is Ego itself. So Wisp could probably fly to the other side of the planet and still be in the battlefield. Although it would probably be sufficient to just fly high into the sky, out of harm's way. And there he remains intangible in case Ego decides to attack him as well.

Will-O’-The-Wisp wins

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Wisp can make parts of his body tangible while keeping other parts intangible. So at best, Man-Thing may be able to grab Wisp's arms as it's hitting him, but not be able to hit anything else. And then Wisp would just go completely intangible and escape.

Yea but if that happens MT will pretty much just rip off his arm and I tihnk that would distract WoW causing him to become tangible and realeasing hell on himself.

Flying away wouldn't automatically forfeit the match. Remember that the battleground is Ego itself. So Wisp could probably fly to the other side of the planet and still be in the battlefield. Although it would probably be sufficient to just fly high into the sky, out of harm's way. And there he remains intangible in case Ego decides to attack him as well.

But if he flew out of Ego's atmosphere I think that would be considered a forfeit. When he goes intangible I admit there's really nothing Ego or Man-Thing can do but wait for the thinning air to knock him out.

Wait I just thought of something is there a limit of how long he can remain intangible, some kind of weakness?

And you didn't address my end of Ego arguement

Winner=Man-Thing

 

[wiegeabo]

No matter how much acid Man-Thing was pumping out, it would take so many years to eat through a planet that's it's not a real possibility. And long before that happened, Ego would adapt. Remember, Ego is an intelligent being that can control all aspects of his body. Once he detects Man-Thing's sulfuric acid, he can just create something to neutralize it. Or create creatures made out of non-reactive materials like gold (albeit something stronger and more abudant). Or he may recognize Man-Thing is plant-like and just change the environment to desert or ice to try and kill Man-Thing off (which will happen if away from his swamp or clean water). In any event, Ego will be able to beat Man-Thing into mulch which might not kill him, but would take him out of the fight.

While all Wisp has to do is stay out of the way, tangible or not. (There is a limit to Wisp staying rock hard because of the fatigue of forcing his molecules to remain dense, but there doesn't seem to be any time limit to his intangibility. Probably because he can just relax his molecular hold.)


Will-O’-The-Wisp wins

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

No matter how much acid Man-Thing was pumping out, it would take so many years to eat through a planet that's it's not a real possibility. And long before that happened, Ego would adapt. Remember, Ego is an intelligent being that can control all aspects of his body. Once he detects Man-Thing's sulfuric acid, he can just create something to neutralize it. Or create creatures made out of non-reactive materials like gold (albeit something stronger and more abudant). Or he may recognize Man-Thing is plant-like and just change the environment to desert or ice to try and kill Man-Thing off (which will happen if away from his swamp or clean water). In any event, Ego will be able to beat Man-Thing into mulch which might not kill him, but would take him out of the fight.

I see how it is let Ego fight your battles.;p

While all Wisp has to do is stay out of the way, tangible or not. (There is a limit to Wisp staying rock hard because of the fatigue of forcing his molecules to remain dense, but there doesn't seem to be any time limit to his intangibility. Probably because he can just relax his molecular hold.)

You might wanna reword that, if he needs to stay relaxed then the chances of him being able to turn intangible are slim but once he's in it it would be very easy to remain relaxed until Ego makes a world without air to kill off Man-Thing, who to my knowledge needs very little amounts of CO2 at a time.

Winner=Man-Thing

EDIT: Relax this is my last rebut of the night so take your time.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Calypso vs. Emma Frost:

This really isn't much of a battle. Calypso is all about manipulating people with her powers in order to get them to do her bidding.

First, let's look at a description of Calypso's powers:

Powers & Paraphenalia
Strength Level: Normal
Powers: Has exhibited telekinesis and mental telepathy with animals. Can dull Spider- Man's spidersense.
Abilities: Hypnosis, zombie creation, spell casting
Equipment: Bira Bells, Yoruba Spirit Drum, potions, powders, charms
Weapons: Spears, blowguns, crossbows
Limitations: Terrible taste in men

All of this is really quite useless.

Emma's powers:

Emma Frost is a transmorph capable of accessing both a human form with telepathic abilities or an organic diamond form with enhanced strength and durability. Since her introduction, Frost has displayed the telepathic standards of broadcasting and receiving thoughts, mind control, altering perceptions and memories, astral projection, etc. She is highly skilled at creating electronic devices that amplify/block/engage psionic powers, as well as exploiting flaws in most electronic equipment.

Now, why are Calypso's powers useless in this fight? Let me quote a few passages in Emma's bio that will further explain this:

Upon their meeting in the rainforests of Ecuador, Cassandra Nova labeled Frost's psychic abilities as 'bush league' in comparison to herself. Regardless of that statement, Frost can formidably hold her own even against those of more considerable might. An example of this was her victory over Rachel Grey (Marvel Girl) on the Astral Plane; while Rachel may have had significantly more raw power, Frost's refined skills enabled her to claim victory over the relatively inexperienced Rachel. In contrast to Cassandra Nova's claim, Frost has been cited as a "Psi of High Order", capable of extraordinary telepathic feats.

This just shows that Calypso wouldn't even compare to Emma's talent. Calypso's mental control is over small animals; Emma can take out a strong telepath like Rachel Grey.

More importantly is this other fact:

During the massacre of over 16 million mutants in Genosha, Frost developed a secondary mutation: the ability to transform herself into a perfectly smooth, flexible, translucent diamond-like substance ... recent clarifications in X-Men #190 and Astonishing X-Men have shown that Morrison's initial depiction of her powers was correct: that Frost cannot access her psychic powers in diamond form and vice versa. Her mind's condition when in diamond form has also been inconsistent. Phoenix: Warsong #3 however confirms that Emma's mind is completely immune to telepathy (both communication and assault) while diamond.

So, while in diamond form, Emma cannot be effected by any type of mind control; but, she can use her powers on another.

The most important factor in this match is that Calypso doesn't show that she'd have access to information on Emma Frost or Ego, The Living Planet. But, since Emma is one of the top X-Men and headmistress of the school, she'd have access to many files, which would no doubt contain information about both. She'd be fully prepared, and would take out Calypso with no problem.

Winner = Emma Frost

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

(Remember, you must read through all of this weeks debates before voting. The debates should be the largest percentage of reason for the way you vote; but, they do not have to be the sole reason for your decision.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Omega Red

*Emma Frost

*Kylun - (Fire + Ego = Bad location luck of the draw for Pyro. This location definitely is effecting quite a few of the fights this week.)

*Man-Thing - (I went back and forth...but, in the end, I think Man-Thing would be able to communicate with Ego and let him know he's all about protecting the planet from a dangerous being.)

 

[Harlekin]

Omega Red
Emma Frost
Kylun
Will O' The Wisp

 

[wiegeabo]

Omega Red
Emma Frost
Will O' The Wisp

(The last one is tough. Pyro should win, but location is a killer. Unless they happen to fight on rock where Pyro's flames would do no damage, I have to go with...but...Pyro could probably burn Kylun up before Ego had a chance to respond...)
Pylun
Kyro?

Fine, I'll pick...
Kylun (barely)

 

[kytrigger]

Jubilee- I think Omega's death spores would be the end of him

Emma Forst

Man-Thing

Pyro-While he would probably do some damage to Ego, I think he could take out Kylun before Ego takes him out.

 

[Hellstormer]

Man-Thing
Omega Red
Calypso
Ummmm Kylun

 

[JewishHobbit]

Will O' the Wisp
Omega Red
Emma Frost (though I hate it, because I hate her )
Kylun

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Omega Red currently beating Jubilee 5-1
Emma Frost currently beating Calypso 5-1
Kylun currently beating Pyro 5-1
Man-Thing currently beating Will 'O The Wisp 3-3

 

[Hellstormer]

Man-Thing is winning because they both died but WoW died first. p

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Man-thing
Emma frost
Pyro - He has absolute control over his fire so why should he dmamage Ego
Omega red

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Omega
Emma
Kylun
Man-Thing

 

[Zoken]

Jubilee
Will-O-Wisp
Kylun
Emma

 

[Iceman]

Omega Red
Emma Frost
Man-Thing
Kylun

 

[Midnight Ice]

Will O' the Wisp
Omega Red
Emma Frost
Kylun

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Omega Red beat Jubilee 9-2
Emma Frost beat Calypso 10-1
Kylun beat Pyro 9-2
Man-Thing beat Will 'O The Wisp 6-5

 

[wiegeabo]

Agh! So close. I knew Man-Thing would be tough. Well fought.

 

[Zoken]

I didn't figure that Jubes would win, but I did get one vote besides mine so I'm happy.

 

[kytrigger]

I didn't figure that Jubes would win, but I did get one vote besides mine so I'm happy.

Happy to be of service.