OPENING COMMENTS: Moonstone vs Air-Walker
- Super strength? Phasing, teleportation and gravity powers will all allow Moonstone to deflect these things.
- Super speed? Not only is Moonstone just as fast (let's remember that the speed Air-Walker usually uses is reserved for travel, and not battle), but she's also got teleportation, which she can do in a blink of an eye.
- His endurance? If he's taken apart, his self-repair will take too long, rendering him defeated.
His strength is much stronger than anythign she has ever shown and so is his speed. Yes, he only travels at hyperlight speeds, but outof that, he is still VERY fast, as are all the heralds and cosmic type beings.
As for his repairing taking too much time, thatis only if he is absolutely oobliterated. It took him months to come back once, because there was only a piece of his head back. Any type of blow that would just sligbtly damage him he can recover from quickly.
So let's review for a second: Air-Walker cannot really hurt Moonstone, as she can either dodge or phase through his attacks, and the power of her moonstones will negate any gravity or matter manipulation upon her.
That's like saying Spider-man is invincible because his spidey snese makes it so he dodges everything. It just isn't true. IF she was 100% perfect, yes, but hs e has been hit time and time again by people much sloper and much weaker than Air-walker. Hell, she was put into a coma by Hawkeye.
For the record, Air-Walker is one of the less adept Heralds when it comes to the Power Cosmic, when the exception of maybe Frankie Raye. He was never able to become as good a matter manipulator as Silver Surfer, and y'know, there's a reason he's a robot now.
Yeah, the reason he's a robot was because he took a shot from a weapon that would have killed Galactus, and still survived long enoughto have his life essence be put into a much more powerful robot.
Not an adept Herald? Are you joking? All the Heralds are EXTREMELY adept at using th ePower Cosmic. Air-walker ws Galactus' favorite herald until Surfer came along proving this by giving him that robotic body. You know why he was his favorite? Because he was good at what he did. Saying he isn't adept at using his powers because he isn't as good as Surfer is like saying I'm weak because I can't quite bench press as much as Hulk.
What can Moonstone do to Air-Walker however?
- Phase through him and phasing has always been known to disrupt electronic/robotic creatures.
- Teleportation. A very cheap tactic, but she can teleport him off the field.
- Remain invisible and simply lay it all on him, and we're talking power on a cosmic scale here.
She won't know he's a robot, she won't know anythign about him. Plus, she has very rarely used her teleportationin a fighting manner. She enjoys fighting. Plus, she remains invisible to the human eye, he's a cosmically powered robot. It isn't easy to hide from these people and he deals with "cosmic power" on a daily basis. He has seen far stronger than her.
The X-Mansion will be rubble.
This is a defiate possibility.
There's simply the problem of Air-Walker not being able to do much against the superior defensive capabilities of Moonstone. She can control her gravity powers at such a level that she made a ship the size of a building intangible (Thunderbolts #75). Heck, her own endurance has improved so much that she's not even affected by radiation and can fly through space unaided (Thunderbolts #72 and Avengers/Thunderbolts #3), Even better, she has such fine control over her gravity powers that she could affect the Vision, even though he was intangible! (Avengers/Thunderbolts #4).
Once again, she has been hit, and put into a coma by far lesser super-powers. If she goes invisible and Air-walker can't find her, he simply does an area wide attack. IF she phases, he simply attacks her with power cosmic electricity which has been shown to mess with phased people. Air walker has been fighting for YEARS, he has seen everything she has before and knows how to deal with it.
An even more interesting possibility, is erecting a gravity shell around Air-Walker (as she did in Avengers/Thunderbolts #1), freezing him in place, and granting her victory. The beauty of it is that she can use most of these powers simultaneously and without much effort. She's not just some human anymore that got super strong, could fly and shoot blasts.
Right, because gravity always affects him. He skips aoround black holes and isn't frozen, so her gravity shell won't do crap. Not to mention that he does have matter manipulation of him own in the power cosmic. He would simply change it into somethign else.
Moonstone has become a powerhouse worthy of Galactus himself.
Air-Walker is done for.
I really hope you're joking here. She is powerful yes, but she was lobotomized by freaking hawkeye.
REBUTTAL: Moonstone vs Air-Walker
Baron Zemo wasn't so much better as that he found quite a few new applications for the moonstones, which gave him a lot more versatility, in addition to a great amount of power. She CAN use it effectively and very powerfully though, as was shown in the last few issues of the first Thunderbolts volume, and later in the Avengers/Thunderbolts mini. She's not a rookie with these stones.
I never said she was a rookie, but that Zemo was better even though he had them longer. Which is true. Finding out many newways to use them after only having them a fraction of the time she did=better than her at using them. She is good at how sh euses them, but she has never fully explored their depth is all.
Oh, really? Air-Walker isn't R2D2, and nothing in any bio suggests that he has this ability. Robots don't necessarily have this ability, and I seriously doubt Air-Walker even has the time, because Moonstone will want this fight over and done with, attacking him immediately.
Yes it is an assumption, kind of like your assumption that Moonstone can lift 100tons even though she has NEVER shown anywhere near that kind of strength, and that her phasing can affect electronics/robots because other phaser's do. These are all assumptions.
Even if he can't communicate wiht the tch, he will still be familiar with it. It is Shi'ar technology, somethign he should be pretty used to since it's all of the universe.
Actually, her speed could very well be 100 tons, something Air-Walker can't match.
see above
She's also got super speed, and since Air-Walker won't be using his travelling speed, he won't be much faster, if at all.
Once again, you are assuming. HE can travel much faster than her, and could very easily also attack much faster than her. She has never shown any great speeds when fighting either so saying she has super-speed during a fight and he doesn't seems weird to me.
She's an excellent energy manipulator, and she's been doing it for most of her adult life.
So is he, and he's been doing it as a herald of Galactus for years more than her.
She has already shown very good control of the moonstones and her powers (as I've already outlined). He's not going to overpower her here, and you're also forgetting about her numerous other abilities.
Good control? They drove her insane. Also, she is not used to fighting cosmic threats. She fights Cap, Hawkeye, and Iron Man. Sure, they are very good heroes, but they are in no way cosmic powers. She has all this power, but gets beaten down by "lesser" heroes. Imagine what it'll be like against an actual cosmic threat like Air-walker.
Again, a gross underestimation of Moonstone's powers. She's not just some human anymore and will be able to take multiple blows (assuming even that Air-Walker can hit her).
She's still human. One arrow from hawkeye put her into a coma, so one blast through the stomach wil put a hurting on her too. Her undurace is good, but he can literalyl fight at full speed for months before needing to recharge. She in no way can do that.
If Air-Walker can't fight, he's defeated, and I think Moonstone will be able to destroy him enough to accomplish such a thing. She does NOT tire easily or fast at all.
I'm not saying she iwll tire easily or fast, but she sure as hell will tire first. She can go for hours fighting probably, he can go for months. He can heal form minor and moderate wounds, she can't.
Except Moonstone regularly faced the Avengers, and even with just one moonstone, did not lose easily to them.
and rarely fought them alone.
She's got the power, and more importantly, she's got the versatility, something I don't recall Air-Walker every fully utilizing.
which is a shame, because he has it. The thing about Air-walker is that since he's a robot, all of his different types of energy attack and manipulation don't actually show up. They don't have a visible glow like most eople's. It's in one of the bios, I'm not explaning it well.
Moonstone is powerful, I won't deny that. But her biggest problem is that she usually only fights middle level powers. Constantly fighting Hawkeye and Cap in no way prepares you for a herald of Galactus. Sure, those guys might be better characters, but power-wise they are WAY down the list. SHe has never encountered cosmic power like this, and frankly, won't know how to handle it.
Air-walker on teh other hand, has faced cosmic threats for ages. He has seen all types of energy wielders and matter manipulaters and knows how to deal with them. He is faster and stronger than Moonstone has ever shown to be and has much better endurance and even a healing ability. Her simple tricks like turning invisible won't work against a seasoned vet like Air-walker.
Winner- Air-walker
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