Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 4

[Pennywise]

I think that Black Siren should stay a villain, personally. She could be entertaining as a thorn for various heroes across the Arrowverse.

 

[O'Haire]

 

[Slade W]

"We wont. We promise. We will do much, much worse to her than that".

 

[Boy Scout]

I hope others find that and blow up his mentions with it.

 

[Slade W]

Arrow writers are all about giving the fans what they want....... two years too late and when the fans have changed their mind completely and want something different.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Still pissed that they never let Simone write a Laurel episode or BoP type episode.

 

[metaphysician]

Arrow writers are all about giving the fans what they want....... two years too late and when the fans have changed their mind completely and want something different.

Don't forget "And have erased from their memory what they previously demanded".

 

[metaphysician]

Still pissed that they never let Simone write a Laurel episode or BoP type episode.

Only if they used someone else then Huntress for the ep. Because they put Helena *waaaaay* on the other side of the moral event horizon.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Helena was underused. If they brought her back it would only help the show improve.

Guggenheim past tweets should be memes at this point.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Helena was underused. If they brought her back it would only help the show improve.

Guggenheim past tweets should be memes at this point.

 

[Slade W]

Don't forget "And have erased from their memory what they previously demanded".

In season 6 they will kill Felicity, but this will happen after Felicity starts winning people over and people start liking her again. This will be due to the writers putting her in situations where there is less drama and where she will come off more likeable, and also due to there being another character that they will have unintentionally made intolerable and insufferable to a lot of people and that is taking all of the heat and ire from fans (probably a new female character and a potential love interest to Oliver or maybe even Susan if she lasts that long). This will make fans take Felicitys side, as they see her as the insufferable and intolerable characters rival.

Once Felicity is killed, with her last words being to prop up Oliver and the intolerable and insufferable characters relationship, and the main purpose of her death being to further Donna Smoaks storyline and feud with the main villain, fans wont be happy. They will say that the wrong character was killed and Guggenheim will be, once again, left wondering what he has to do to win people over.

That is going to be one of the big storylines for season 6. Perhaps I should spoiler this post.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

So in the new trailer,

Spoiler

looks like Black Siren annihilates the Black Canary statue, as we expected. Which...crap.

All I can say is it better be rebuilt before the end of the season or Oliver better have some pretty good justification for not (I'm assuming it'll be something like "Tina is our way of honoring Laurel now"), or I'm going to be an unhappy camper.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Spoiler

Seems like they're trying to metaphorically destroy any presence she had on the show. Side eye on them.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It wont be. It's basically signifying them moving on to something new.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

It wont be. It's basically signifying them moving on to something new.

Yeah, it makes me seriously unhappy. On the other hand, I am at least happy that Oliver finally admitted (even if it's just to himself), that he did love Laurel in S5E8. He was basically in denial ever since she died, I think. And from an out-of-universe perspective, I never thought the writers would allow Amell/Oliver to utter those words to Cassidy/Laurel, or even vaguely in her direction, again, for fear of the Olicity fans rising up. So it gives me some small sense of satisfaction, knowing that Oliver did love Laurel all along, and was basically in denial about it until his imprisonment with the Dominators made him confront and accept it.

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[Slade W]

What do posters here consider to be laurels best season? It is hard for me to choose as I love her in all of them. In season 1, they introduce us to her and show us the person she is. We saw how kind, generous and forgiving she was, despite the horrible things that happened to her, and how she wanted to make the world better through her job. Long before she became the Black Canary, she was a hero. In season 2, I couldn't help but root for her while she struggled to overcome her difficulties. She showed tremendous fortitude, resilience and metal strength to overcome adversity, in the form of her addictions. While I may not have agreed with everything she did that season, I understood why she did what she did. I felt sorry for her and wanted things to work out for her. In the end, I was delighted to see her come out the other side.

In season 3, she, of course, became the Black Canary. She was a hero before she donned the leather, but it was Sara's death that inspired her to take it to the next level. Laurel became the Black Canary because of the grief and pain Sara's death caused her (black, of course, being the colour mostly associated with grief, mourning and death, and she kept the Canary name to honour Sara). She initially wanted to avenge Sara, before eventually deciding to forge her own path, while still honouring her. No matter how many times she was knocked down by more seasoned and experienced fighters, she kept getting back up. After her struggles in season 2, she knew she had it in her to overcome difficult situations, so she kept plugging away and didn't give up, eventually leading to her joining Team Arrow.

In season 4, she had less to do. While people questioned her trying to bring Sara back, I sympathised with her. Like Oliver, she will do anything for her family, and it results in her not thinking straight, even though, like Oliver, her intentions are good ones. She had nice scenes with Oliver throughout the season too, that I enjoyed. While her death was ultimately stupid writing, nonsensical, and a death unworthy of the character, at least she went out a hero, by trying to do good and stop the likes of Darhk.

Overall, I guess season 4 was my least favourite season for Laurel, even though I still love her in it. It mainly comes down to her having less to do that season. It is very hard for me to choose between the other three. I love her in all of them.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

To me, it's a tie between S1 and S4. If she hadn't have died, I would say S4, but I think even though she was underused in S4, for sure, when she was used, she was used effectively. Her relationship with Oliver is better than it was anywhere other than S1 (they actually acted like they liked each other sometimes), and she basically took Diggle's place as Oliver's conscience. Plus, she had the best action scenes of the season, in particular the hallway fight where she took on like seven Ghosts. Plus, her Black Canary look was better without the wig.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Laurel was so under utilized over all in Season 4 to have it be my favorite Laurel season. Apart from bringing Sara back, when they actually gave her stuff to do it was great, but it was to little.

I would probably go with Season 3 since we got to see just about every side to Laurel. She was the highlight of the season. We saw her grieve her sister to her accepting her death and becoming a full fledged costumed hero. She wasnt taking anyones crap about trying to discourage her, she fell and she got right back up each time.

I dont get how MG felt like Laurels story came to an end after S4 when it felt like the beginning of her journey. She and Oliver finally repaired that relationship, her and her father were in a good place, Laurel could finally start living her life and truly moving on in every sense of the word onto new things. She was finally one with the team dishing out good advice .

If anything, S4 should've ended with DD dying but his wife coming out on top as the big bad and Laurel having to temporarily give up the mask to be on her team.

 

[Thome216]

Season 3. Season 4 was good, but yes underused and of course she died... But in Season 3 she was coming into her own and not letting anyone stop her, much less Oliver in hypocrite-mode.

 

[Slade W]

It was a lose-lose situation for Oliver. If he didn't try to stop her, he would have been criticised, and he also got criticised for trying to stop her from endangering herself, albeit the criticism only really seems to be from Laurel fans. The manner in which he tried to stop her was harsh, but his heart was in the right place.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Trying to use her alcoholism against her and saying she wasnt a hero was not a good look for Oliver. He was a grade A. *****e.

 

[Slade W]

Like I said, the way he went about it was harsh. But if he let her go out and get hurt, he would have been much, much worse than a *****e. His heart was in the right place. If you think someone isn't thinking clearly and is putting themselves at serious risk, sometimes you have to be harsh. That is using real world logic and common sense though. Arrows logic is to encourage people who are unexperienced to go out and endanger themselves because trusting people in all situations is supposedly good, and revealing your identity to people you don't know vey well who could easily tell people is also supposedly good, because trust. So, going by Arrows logic (or lack of), yes, he was a *****e. But if using real world logic, he would have been much worse than a *****e if she got hurt or worse.

 

[Primal Slayer]

He could've tried to get through to her without being harsh, even when he realized that she wasnt going to stop, making sure she is trained properly would've been the correct thing to do.

Oliver barely if any put up any fight when Diggle, Felicity, Roy, or Thea all joined in. But Oliver spent the last 3 years pushing Laurel away and keeping her at arms length.

 

[Slade W]

He could have done lots of different things, but it doesn't necessarily make him bad, even if there were better ways than being blunt straight out. He was harsh, but there is no way he was a bad-guy in that situation, even if he didn't go about it the best way. When it comes to something that involves someone seriously endangering themselves, there are much more important things than being nice.

Diggle used to be in the army, Felicity was mostly behind the scenes, Roy had experience out on the street fighting and I think he started off slowly with him, until Roy saved him in a difficult situation. Thea was trained by Malcolm, but yes, he should have tried to have stopped her. That is the Arrow writers and their inconsistency, and allowing themes and story to be more important than consistent and sensible character writing (like how Oliver did not let Roy fight the LOA in S3 Ep17, but in the next episode happily allowed both Roy and Laurel fight LOA members). Thea wasn't in TA in season 3, and he left at the end of season 3 knowing she would be out there fighting, but this was after he was supposedly changed and "enlightened", and was willing to give up being the Arrow and all that came with it (like not trusting people) and wanted to be happy with Felicity. In Arrow-world, it was a good thing that he trusted Thea to be out endangering herself, and he continued trusting people like that into season 4.